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2018-12-12, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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But Blues and Jazz (and, say, Rap) are not "American music", they are to this day "African American music". That's my point. And Flamenco isn't "Spanish music", it is "Spanish Roma music". It wasn't gifted to Spain, who then gave it to the world. It was the Roma people themselves who slowly expanded their reach beyond national boundaries.
Similarly, (Razade's thesis aside), BBQ shouldn't be claimed to be American cuisine if it was in fact African American cuisine (again, assuming it was; it seems it might not be).
Rock and Roll is a good example, though - there is quite the heavy baggage to go with its history. I became most familiar with the topic because of Back to the Future, and the bad taste it left in certain segments when some white kid teaches Chuck Berry how to Rock & Roll. It is a perfect encapsulation of the whole problem - but I'm not qualified to talk about it, so I mention it just so you can do your own research into the issue.
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2018-12-12, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think Wolfs point needs a bit of explanation.
Continental Europe went thru a hard phase of cultural consolidation and recognizing ethnicity-based cultural values and heritages. We don't have any problems accepting and incorporating certain things, but we make sure to never try to shift the ownership of that thing to us, at least since the world wars.
Simply put, we don't have the "melting pot" situation and actually tread that as a faux-pas. For me as a German, popular dishes from Austria, Hungary or Italy are just that and have to be respected in their way.
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2018-12-12, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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American cuisine is broken up by region, often. BBQ is also classified as Southern food, if that makes it more palatable for you.
Also, by the way Back to the Future works, Chuck Berry only got that from Marty in the new timeline; in the original timeline there was no Marty McFly in 1955, yet he still came up with it. And to be fair, Marvin was certainly dialed into what Chuck was looking for, since he immediately notified him when he heard it.
Lastly, I'm a big fan of the melting pot ideology, and dislike separating "American" and "African American" in situations like this. We're all Americans over here.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2018-12-12, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Is it just me, or is deep-frying a total waste of calamari?
EDIT: I somehow missed a page 2 of his discussion before posting, so sorry if the below seems a bit non-sequitur at this point
On American BBQ, I think BBQ can vary drastically depending on region. I know there's variety on what is the appropriate type of BBQ sauce (mustard vs. vinegar vs. ketchup-based, I think... but I can't keep straight which I prefer). There's also a difference in meat.
My wife grew up in south Texas right by the border, and to her BBQ meant chicken, maybe beef brisket. Where I am (the 'South'), it usually means pulled pork. You can get brisket or chicken BBQ here, but it's usually not as good as the pork since it's not the focus.
I can't comment too much on the quality, though. I have found a dissatisfaction for meats when the meat is rather flavorless itself but just the BBQ sauce adds the flavor. That can be good, but I'd rather have some meat with flavor (even if from soaking in a marinade or herbs).
I think most chicken dishes use the breast meat, but if you get fried chicken, you can get the dark meat pretty easily.
When I was a kid, I liked the white meat, but now I find it rather flavorless. It can be doing really tastey, but it's hard to find it not just bland and a touch dry.Last edited by JeenLeen; 2018-12-12 at 12:45 PM.
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That was... complicated.
To be fair, a Mexican warlord had attacked American settlements. We were also aware that there was a possibility that Mexico could have joined Germany and invaded us, as would later become the impetus for joining the war with the Zimmerman Telegram. We were worried that this was a preemptive strike against us.
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2018-12-12, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I completely missed the chicken discussion. I, for one, am a huge fan of dang near everyone here loving white meat, as it drives down the price of the dark, which actually tastes good. I eat better for cheaper because of those schmucks. Couldn't ask for a better arrangement.
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2018-12-12, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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You must be talking about a different time the US invaded Mexico, because the one I'm thinking was caused by the US sending 9 soldiers who didn't speak Spanish on a supply run from a US ship to a city under siege during the Mexican civil war by rowboat. One of the sides arrested them (including, crucially, two that were left on the boat), not being sure what the heck they were doing there, took them to a guy that spoke English, who figured it out and released them. The US demanded an apology involving hoisting the US flag over Mexican territory (and a 21 gun salute), Mexico said "no", and the US invaded.
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That's the most American thing I've heard in a while. I love it.
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India doesn't do curry, that name is a British invention (all the spices are indian, they just call the dishes korma, tandori, etc, not curry).
However, my main linguistic complaint is that there are two spellings of bare/bear. The animal spelling is also the one for lifting things. So it's bear in mind, as in carry in mind, not take the clothes off in mind.The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2018-12-12, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nah. It depends on what exactly is in the lead and which ingredient is there for the flavor.
You can make it rather middle east/northern african style with a focus on the chickpeas, you could go for a rather Waldorf-style with a focus on the apples or classic french-style, which is basically what you mean. The results will be quite different.
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Has anyone here had capybara? The reason I ask this is a bit hard to explain so please don't ask. All I'll say is that it comes from me trying to learn how to say soy sauce brazed capybara in Chinese.
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Re: Is it just me, or is deep-frying a total waste of calamari?
Actually it can only be a natural number, since it's conceivable that multiple places could taste the same or equivalent. And taste is subjective, so whole the majority may agree on one or more, an individual may disagree.
Plus, there's the legal precedent of puffery, in any event. Sorry, Grey Wolf, the United States holds the position that you could not reasonably believe that was the best barbecue in Texas.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2018-12-12, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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African Americans aren't a monolith and not all of them disagree. It's also really weird that, arguing to segregate culture as you are, you're the one taking up the argument when you're neither African, American or African American. You at least offer you're not an authority or qualified (in the post about how a very complex subject as the evolution of music) but it rings sort of hollow when you're...still making the argument and trying to back it up with an appeal to race.
Jazz and Blues (and...rap...that you added for some reason even though rap traces its roots not just back to Jazz and Blues but vaudeville and skaldic traditions) like BBQ have a deep history with a lot of hands in the pot so to speak. The United States is a culture of immigrants, immigrants who brought their cultures with them and had to blend them in with other cultures to fit.
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