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    Default Re: Plot twists you thought would happen (but totally didnít)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Mass Resist Fire? Well itís to resist fire but I know no reason why there couldnít be a mass version of HP-buffs. Then again I donít play D&D.

    Not a single buff seen in-comic as a visual cue after being cast.
    Here's the Haste spell in action in the comic, one of the few multi-target spells that buffs AC (although Haley's using an item version so only buffs herself, but there's still a clear visual cue).

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Only Logannís Soldiers are fighting the Elementals in melee, Logan, the twins and the casters are in the back so they wouldnít even need a mass version just cast a buff individually on the less sturdy soldiers. Again how many Dwarves do you expect the Elementals could kill in a few instants?
    Even the weakest huge Earth elemental has two slam attacks for an average 20 damage each with +19 to hit each.

    Oh, they also have cleave (attack again after dropping someone 1/round)

    And greater cleave (keep doing it multiple times per round).

    So basically everybody under 20 HP should've dropped right there. Even those with 40 HP would be in pretty big risk since it's 4 greater cleaving slams per round (besides attacks of opportunity for getting close enough to the huge opponent)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Seeing as Gontor was out of high-level spells and knew in advance he would be, I think these were insurance in case someone attacked the meeting, not spares.
    Look, you don't play D&D, so you certainly don't know how imba a scroll of gate can be. It may as well be a minor artifact and the kind of item that you could base a whole campaign around.

    A good example, remember when Redcloak got a massive army of demons to rolfstomp the resistance? That's Gate he was using.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    None ignore the kobolds were a threat to Belkar (unless when he couldnít fight back), they hired Pompey because they couldnít find anyone higher level and they had no divine-caster in the third fight.
    With their string of losses makes sense high-level adventurers would eventually start refusing joining them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Ni theyíre not. The Dwarves are super-honorable. This is a society where the king was constantly under threat of assassination and with ninja schools, remember.
    Ninjas are honorable too, otherwise nobody would trust them to carry out assassinations and the king would've already been taken out in a less honorable "kick the door down and kill him in broad daylight".

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    365 trances, 1095 meals, five million two hundred twenty-six combat rounds, etc.
    Time does not flow slower for elves.
    Yet they don't rule the world despite having a lot more time to study and learn and train than anybody else, so clearly they laze around a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Twenty-six ants? Try 1,000 soldiers on him alone.
    If they're low level mooks, you'll just end with 1000 corpses.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Fleeing on dinosaurback after the vampire used husband powers to force ennemies to fight each other while the ranger created a smoke-screen so that the archers couldnít use their numbers properly is hardly ę*shredding*Ľ.
    The army was meant to kill them, and the OoTS instead killed a lot of soldiers whitout suffering a single casuality.

    And that was with the OoTS already being pretty worn down and low on spells and starting in a terrible position.

    The mooks still couldn't finish a single one of the high-level characters.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Belkar was littered under damage marks after that, he couldnít have kept it up if he hadnít found a skull of infinite fireballs, the city had already fallen by the time Miko did anything noteworthy. Vaarsuvius and Durkon used up all their spells mostly on minions. Also the city is Azure City, not ę*sapphire city*Ľ.
    The next thing Belkar does is comment how the scratches make him look badass-Then gulps down a potion and heals it all away.
    So as long as Belkar has enough healing potions, he could shred all the goblinoid mooks by himself.

    I guess making the enemy waste spells is an use for mooks, but still Saphire Azure city only falls when Redcloak himself joins the frontline to wreck havoc. Plus his summons were the ones actually creating breaches in the walls.

    So ok mooks good to bog down high level enemy, they're not 100% useless, but only if you also bring high level dudes of your own to deal the finishing blow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Xykon is epic-level and even rater than high level characters
    Look, in D&D 3.5 enemies stop giving you exp if they're 8 or more lower levels than you. That's the assumption of the game, if an enemy is 8 levels under you, they're considered so little a threat they don't earn you any experience. You don't need to be epic to curbstomp armies of mooks, being double digit levels is enough (like Redcloak when he goes to take out the resistance, they could cast teleport and polymorph so were not slouches themselves, but Redcloak himself was packing 9th level spells so he had enough of level advantage he could curbstomp them).

    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Which doesnít negate the fact that, contrary to what you said she would have lost against the entire Order since Roy is a high-level fighter too. She probably would have lost had Belkar been free too.
    Roy and Belkar can't fly and their ranged abilities kinda suck. As long as she stayed high in the air raining evocations, the melee beatsticks wouldn't be able to do much against her.

    EDIT: Plus it's not really relevant how many OoTS party members you would need to take down the sorceress. Just that you would need several of them, meaning she's pretty high level, yet can't get a better life than being the leader of some nameless bandits in the middle of nowhere. A sorceress that can fly around blasting with such proficiency by all means shouldn't have lack of people looking to hire her services for better money than she can hope to get from beating random travelers-Unless the market is already saturated.
    Last edited by deuterio12; 2019-05-20 at 10:49 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Of Mantas View Post
    "You know, Durkon, I built this planet up from nothing. When I started here, all there was was a snarl. All the other gods said we were daft to build a planet over a snarl, but I built it all the same, just to show then. It got eaten by the snarl...

    ...so we built a five millionth, three hundreth, twenty first one. That one burned down, fell over, then got eaten by the snarl, but the five millionth, three hundreth, and twenty second one stayed up! Or at least, it has been until now."

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