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2019-01-22, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-22, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Odd statement given the climax has already happened and we're over 200 strips into the current book.
Eh, Sigdi could have told Durkon, and Rubyrock just didn't know that.
I like the thought of Tenrin just carrying Sigdi's arm around in Valhalla because he believes it belongs to him now.
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2019-01-22, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-22, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-22, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
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2019-01-22, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-22, 09:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Considering the other books ended shortly after the climax (1, 4, 5) or cliffhanger (2, 3) and the climax with Durkula is pretty much resolved, what are you guys' theories on how the book could wrap up?
(I'm thinking Lien and O-chul sitting on the snowbank, realizing that Team Evil hasn't left the dungeon in several hours -- cut to glimpses of the monster mess they left behind and trail them to standing before the final Gate. Since the ritual takes a few weeks, it's ample time for the Order reach Kraagor's.)
(Or, it could end with Durkon using one of his mama-special Sendings to RC, although I dunno about the latter's recognition the former).
And can the Order take out the Exarch and Co easily? Or will the same thing happen as it did in the previous vampire battle?
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2019-01-22, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-22, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can't see this book ending before the threat to the Dwarven lands is settled. We have to see the Hilgya/Kudzu/Durkon/Mom thing dealt with. We need to see the Godsmoot threat of World destruction being dealt with one way or another: The vote will be decided, after all, once the dwarf Demi-god consults w/ the Elders and Chiefs (or whomever).
I figure after the Vote is dealt with we'll see a closing scene involving Xykon and troupe and maybe something involving Elan's plan to take down his father's Empire (possibly bringing in more of "Daddy's" old adventuring team who cannot be pleased with Malak's death) all leading up to the next book.
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2019-01-23, 01:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-23, 04:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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I only see one.
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2019-01-23, 06:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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You mean, on all those panels that very clearly don't show all the people present?
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2019-01-23, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-23, 08:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-23, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've been trying to imagine some of Durkon's sendings at various points in the adventure.
"Ma, Roy died and Azure City fell. On boat with Elan and V. These paladins seem nice. Still no beer. Dodge training works on water trolls."
"Ma, cast windwalk and dinnae like it. Found Belkar, Hayley and Roy's body. Group back together now. Random 'Och" goes here. Love you."
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2019-01-23, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Something we all assume is the climax has now happened. That's nothing truly conclusive. Family drama will probably ensue with Durkon, Sigdi, Hilgya and Kudzu; the ex-Exarch and his spawn still need to be defeated; the Council vote still needs to happen; the result still needs to be conveyed to the Godsmoot which then needs to wrap up; probably another late-book sojourn (like Haley breaking her dad out of prison in the last book); some "oh crap"-level cliffhanger regarding Team Evil, etc. -- I'm easily seeing another couple of years IRL until the book ends.
This. The Order haven't really conclusively solved any of the issues that led to them getting dominated by Lurkon et al. just a short time ago. I mean, yes, they have Durkon himself back, but he's now diminished thanks to Hilgya's selfishness. The ex-Exarch might even now outdo Durkon for power in combat, since the former still has all his levels and the various boons of being a vampire.
Oh, and there's the not-so-small matter of Belkar's prophesied cessation of breathing forever "before the end of the year" -- though considering that the last week in-universe took something like six years IRL, that may or may not end up in this book at all.I prepared Explosive Runes before writing this signature.
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2019-01-23, 09:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Recapping more than a thousand comic strips of plot in 25 words-long weekly excerpts takes skill, Durkon might have a future as a writer of book cover blurbs if everything goes wrong with the Thor thing.
Oh wow now I'm thinking what his last message before Malack killed him was:
"Ma, we met Elan's long-lost dad in the western continent. Roy fought in a coliseum. Oh, also I made a new friend! Love you.".
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SpoilerIt's like, a secret to everybody or whatever.
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2019-01-23, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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The main character of the book defeating the main villain of the book is generally a pretty solid event to surmise as the climax. You, on the other hand, simply asserted that the book was "clearly far from over."
That could all happen in like 20 strips, and some of it doesn't need to be shown. (For example, if/when the Order defeats the Ex-Exarch and the Dwarven Council of Clans votes to save the world, we're probably not going to cut to the godsmoot and get their wrap-it-up procedure.)
I'll bet a substantial amount of money that doesn't happen this book.
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Veldrina's supposed to contact Roy if the world is
savedspared, so I'm not so sure we'll see the Godsmoot's wrap-up on-panel.FeytouchedBanana eldritch disciple avatar by...me!
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2019-01-23, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Sigdi and her Grandkid
I'd imagine she'd mostly be annoyed Durkon didn't follow up and make sure Hilgya was fine. And that he didn't tell her about the potential grandbaby because he was embarrassed over a little one-night stand.
Yeah, but do you think Sigdi is going to be thrilled that her grandson is going to be in the custody of a cleric of Loki who doesn't want to see her son? Sigdi's definitely going to want custody. Where are the lawyers when you need them..?
(I joke, I joke)
Also, less baggage.
Also, I wonder if the soldier who gave her the chest of treasure was a Firehelm - he certainly looked like one, so maybe Hilgya's at least heard of Sigdi in passing. Maybe.
Hilgya isn't pissed enough at Durkon to let the murder stick, though. There's no way she'd murder Sigdi just to hurt Durkon; if that was a possibility, she would have just left him dead.
I don't see Sigdi-murder as being likely, but if it happens, it'll be largely her own fault.
Spoiler: Misc. Familial Relations
Roy and Haley don't have easy access to their mothers (neither has speak with dead or their parents' corpse handy), and Elan is probably holding off in case he'd accidentally spoil some kind of dramatic reveal.
What, you want to rub their face in it? Geez, and I thought the King of Nowhere seemed like a decent guy.
Seems likely to me. It fits Sigdi's personality well, and explains why Durkon hadn't heard of several sad things that happened.
Why? Greenhilt Senior's sword didn't dissolve when Roy grabbed it. Tenrin and Sigdi are still going to be thinking of Sigdi's first arm, still holding Tenrin's hand.
...Also, I'm pretty sure the Powers That Be of the LG afterlife would frown on people carrying around severed limbs.
Spoiler: The plot and other minor things
I suspect that they're made of grumpy old dwarves, each with their own set of rules. Magic items in use don't seem like a first-thing-to-explain type of thing.
1. Half of Tarquin's surviving team saw Tarquin take vengeance on Nale himself.
2. That storyline's wrapped up. A climactic confrontation between father and son (or their respective teams) is exactly what Tarquin wants, and what he was explicitly denied the last time we saw him.
Durkon* wasn't defeated, he was just destroyed. He won't be defeated until his plan is foiled.
...And that's assuming that Durkon*, not Hel, is the "real" main villain of the book.
Spoiler: Misc. (mostly V and/or Belkar, weirdly)
Well, since you asked...
I'd guess that he wouldn't want to break up an established relationship. If he hasn't heard of V's divorce, they'd probably be even lower than Belkar.
An excellent point. While there wasn't any evidence against the proto-brain argument at the time, Belkar's development since then has established several other possible emotional responses. Either Belkar spent several ability increases on his mental stats, or Vaarsuvius was making their theory with insufficient evidence.
...Though given that it was an attempt to make sure Belkar didn't kiss them again, I don't blame them much for acting rashly.
Most things about dwarves are.
He's probably putting levels into some obscure comic-related prestige class.
Especially if V's told them about the familicide...
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2019-01-23, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2019-01-23, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm going with the second. V came up with an explanation of an awkward social situation they could resolve using spells over interaction, because there's no point attempting interaction with people stupider than you.
(Before I get accused of joining the V-Hate Wagon, I'll say *both* characters have changed since then. In that the pair of them actually held a conversation in this book which wasn't based around V outwitting Belkar.)
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2019-01-23, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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it is very bad pacing to have the confrontation with the Exarch be just a mop-up operation of no importance, it drags out the story unnecessarily. Which means that the climax hasn't passed yet.
In book 5, the climax was not the pyramid, or even destroying the gate, but the confrontation with Tarquin afterwards.
Which makes me think that the confrontation with thr exarch will be far more difficult than expected. As the only thing that can make that happen is a betrayal by Hilgya (possibly with a timeout from the fiends for V), Im guessing that is what will happen.
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