OOTS #1153 - The Discussion Thread

[Peelee]

Reading the arguments on these forums about Hilgya's alignment has enlightened me.

It's a shame that reading the forums hasn't enlightened you about context, sadly. Maybe one day.

[Ruck]

If all you're relying on is a passive defense, you can reasonably assume that they would be able to get through sooner or later, and since there is no one in the temple that could defend against a vampire, leaving him there is not definitely safer than keeping him with a high-powered cleric.

Since this keeps coming up, I feel like it's important to emphasize that the decision is not between "Take Kudzu into battle against a bunch of vampires" or "leave Kudzu in Thor's temple while I go fight a bunch of vampires." The option remains to not join the battle at all.

So, more generally: I know I've brought up the TV show The Shield on the forum before, and I don't know if anyone else has seen it, but if you have, I assume you had the same shuddering reaction I did upon seeing the comic's title was "Family Meeting."

It's a shame that reading the forums hasn't enlightened you about context, sadly. Maybe one day.

Context, proportionality, good faith...

[Peelee]

So, more generally: I know I've brought up the TV show The Shield on the forum before, and I don't know if anyone else has seen it, but if you have, I assume you had the same shuddering reaction I did upon seeing the comic's title was "Family Meeting."

Still haven't, but I did just get through Breaking Bad.

[Rrmcklin]

Wow The_Weirdo hasn't even posted in the thread yet and already theres two posts just directly dumping on him. Yall sure know how to make a forum seem welcoming and inviting

You shouldn't pretend that reactions to The_Weirdo exist in a vacuum, and aren't based on his actual statements and behavior.

It's very disingenuous. Even if I do agree with the general sentiment of the forum not being as welcoming as it could be.

[The_Weirdo]

You shouldn't pretend that reactions to The_Weirdo exist in a vacuum, and aren't based on his actual statements and behavior.

Now, now. I was never rude.

[zimmerwald1915]

Since this keeps coming up, I feel like it's important to emphasize that the decision is not between "Take Kudzu into battle against a bunch of vampires" or "leave Kudzu in Thor's temple while I go fight a bunch of vampires." The option remains to not join the battle at all.

Against a coven of vampires bent on destroying the world within the next 24 hours (not that Hilgya necessarily knows this)? I guess the option exists, but it's not a great one.

[Fyraltari]

You don't need to say that, you already have France tagged as your location. I kid, y'all outdid yourselves with crème brulée. Unless it turns out that was the English, of course.

Great praise coming from the land of the chicken-fried chicken. It may have been the spanish but the earliest known recipe comes from a french book.

Still haven't, but I did just get through Breaking Bad.

Thoughts?

[Peelee]

Against a coven of vampires bent on destroying the world within the next 24 hours (not that Hilgya necessarily knows this)? I guess the option exists, but it's not a great one.

Hilgya necessarily knowing that is required for it to not be a great one, to be fair.

[Rrmcklin]

Against a coven of vampires bent on destroying the world within the next 24 hours (not that Hilgya necessarily knows this)? I guess the option exists, but it's not a great one.

She makes it clear she doesn't know or care about what's going on, beyond Durkon being there. And she doesn't want to listen either.

She straight up tells Roy and the others whether they came with her or not, she was going to fight the vampires with Kudzu with her.

You could say we have the benefit of hindsight in knowing how her going alone would have turned out, but even before the battle had started I think it was pretty clear "Going to fight a bunch of vampires, some fairly high-level, alone with a baby strapped to my chest" is a bad idea conceptually.

[Resileaf]

She makes it clear she doesn't know or care about what's going on, beyond Durkon being there. And she doesn't want to listen either.

She does know that Durkon is trying to destroy the world.
But you're right that she doesn't particularly care.

[Ruck]

Still haven't, but I did just get through Breaking Bad.

Breaking Bad is flashier, but I think everything that makes Breaking Bad good is something The Shield did better.

[Peelee]

Gret praise coming from the land of the chicken-fried chicken.

In our greatness, our hubris, we have managed to deep fry ice cream. Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!

Thoughts?

Hell of a ride. I really, really hate Walter, and don't understand why Skyler was apparently hated by lots of people. Walter was just the worst for the vast majority of the show. Conversely, I love Jesse. I can't believe he was intended to die the first season in. Fantastic character.

Not as good as Better Call Saul, IMO, but one helluva ride.

[The_Weirdo]

In our greatness, our hubris, we have managed to deep fry ice cream. Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains. Remember the poem, my friend.

[zimmerwald1915]

In our greatness, our hubris, we have managed to deep fry ice cream.

So did Japan.

What hidden mysteries lurk within this coincidence?

[The_Weirdo]

So did Japan.

What hidden mysteries lurk within this coincidence?

Everyone in Alabama is actually Japanese.

[Peelee]

So did Japan.

Fine, then. We also learned to deep fry oreos. WHAT NOW, JAPAN?

Nothing beside remains. Remember the poem, my friend.

psssst! Especially in humor, the US Deep South is not renowned for its grandeur.

[Ornithologist]

The US south is the capital of Fried food in the US.


I wish there was a good fried food place near me. Only KFCs....

[Fyraltari]

In our greatness, our hubris, we have managed to deep fry ice cream. Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!

Is nothing sacred!?

Hell of a ride.

Glad you liked it!

I really, really hate Walter,

In a "love to hate" or in a "Oh, no he's on-screen again" way? Because I loved the character even though he was the worst person on the show.

and don't understand why Skyler was apparently hated by lots of people.

Because she gets in the way of the gangster power-fantasy, I think Walter was just the worst for the vast majority of the show.

Conversely, I love Jesse. I can't believe he was intended to die the first season in. Fantastic character.

Yeah, how weird is that?

Nothing beside remains. Remember the poem, my friend.

It kind of loses its punch when you learn that Ozymandias is better known as Ramses the Second and is still a cultural icon three thousand years after his death.

[Ruck]

In our greatness, our hubris, we have managed to deep fry ice cream. Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!

Hell of a ride. I really, really hate Walter, and don't understand why Skyler was apparently hated by lots of people. Walter was just the worst for the vast majority of the show. Conversely, I love Jesse. I can't believe he was intended to die the first season in. Fantastic character.

Not as good as Better Call Saul, IMO, but one helluva ride.

I have to confess that I was pretty disappointed by the most recent season of Better Call Saul.

(re: Jesse: Once again, a strike gets results!)

[Doug Lampert]

You don't need to say that, you already have France tagged as your location. I kid, y'all outdid yourselves with crème brulée. Unless it turns out that was the English, of course.

France and England are in fact two different countries. I know from the perspective of Alabama they are pretty close together, but they are in fact different.

And crème brulée couldn't be English, it's palatable.

Great praise coming from the land of the chicken-fried chicken. It may have been the spanish but the earliest known recipe comes from a french book.

You've been here? We also have chicken-fried steak.

[zimmerwald1915]

Fine, then. We also learned to deep fry oreos. WHAT NOW, JAPAN?

Scotland: hold my Mars bar

[The_Weirdo]

It kind of loses its punch when you learn that Ozymandias is better known as Ramses the Second and is still a cultural icon three thousand years after his death.

Very good for building wonders in Civ V. The Civ VI leader for Egypt is Cleopatra.

The French one? Catherine de Medici. And she's quite shrewd and espionage-skilled. There is no Italy (there's Rome, instead), but Catherine and Enrico Dandolo represent the Italians. Dandolo, for Venice, is money-focused and also quite shrewd.

So basically the people that do Civ see Italians as, well, Machiavellian, I guess.

Sorry, I'm excited for the new expansion.

Scotland: hold my Mars bar

Okay, I renew my theory:

Every Japanese is Scottish. Everyone from Alabama is Scottish. And they all look like Morrigan Aensland.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Theres a good chance I'll lose money on this, but five gold says Hawaii had more Hawaiian speakers than English speakers at statehood.

You'd lose. Heck, there were more English speakers than Hawaiian speakers when we violated our treaty by overthrowing the monarchy in 1893. Probably, there were more Japanese speakers then; there definitely were when we invaded and seized the islands in 1898.

[Ruck]

Very good for building wonders in Civ V. The Civ VI leader for Egypt is Cleopatra.

The French one? Catherine de Medici. And she's quite shrewd and espionage-skilled. There is no Italy (there's Rome, instead), but Catherine and Enrico Dandolo represent the Italians. Dandolo, for Venice, is money-focused and also quite shrewd.

So basically the people that do Civ see Italians as, well, Machiavellian, I guess.

Sorry, I'm excited for the new expansion.

I usually play Civ V as Alexander just because I love locking down all the city-states as allies and getting overloaded with bonus resources, troops, happiness, etc.

[Doug Lampert]

Fine, then. We also learned to deep fry oreos. WHAT NOW, JAPAN?

psssst! Especially in humor, the US Deep South is not renowned for its grandeur.

Heck, we deep fry deep frying batter. What do you think hush puppies are?

Scotland: hold my Mars bar

Been there, done that. Almost any state fair in the south.

OTOH, Scotland also deep fries Pizza, AFAIK they've got us beat there.

[Peelee]

Is nothing sacred!?

Just wait until we deep fry crème brulée.

In a "love to hate" or in a "Oh, no he's on-screen again" way? Because I loved the character even though he was the worst person on the show.

Imean, obviously it was his show, so I never thought "on no he's on-screen again." But for a show that could have been called "Just How Low Can Walt Go," Dude just kept freaking digging. He was such an egotistical ass, and nothing was ever his fault (even though like 97% of everything was directly his and only his fault).

Because she gets in the way of the gangster power-fantasy, I think Walter was just the worst for the vast majority of the show. Yeah, how weird is that?

WALTER got in the way of a gangster power-fantasy! His own gangster power-fantasy! Seriously, that freakin' guy... She was just trying to keep her family safe and reacting to him terrorizing her.

I have to confess that I was pretty disappointed by the most recent season of Better Call Saul.

Seen all but the finale of Season 4, I really liked it so far.

[Kareeah_Indaga]

Does Kudzu like hearing older female relatives threaten people or does he just not like the idea of mashed carrots? He's frowning in that last panel but all smiles while Sigdi's pulling the rug out from under Hilgya - and it occurs to me he's usually happy with his mother, who is threatening more often than not.

[The_Weirdo]

I usually play Civ V as Alexander just because I love locking down all the city-states as allies and getting overloaded with bonus resources, troops, happiness, etc.

My fave civ in Civ V was likely Venice, but that was partly because I liked Enrico Dandolo quite a bit.
Edit: Oh, I forgot the Shoshone! They were very good!
To be sure, Brazil wasn't bad in civ V either. Neither is Babylon. Then there's Polynesia in a Terra map: settle one city and send a settler to discover the New World. And then make the entire New World yours.

Of course, whenever anyone DOWed my civ, I'd not stop the war until they were destroyed. Which made other civs annoyed.

With the new grievance system in Civ VI, however? That won't happen anymore. I can take at least some three cities whenever they DOW me.

[Peelee]

You'd lose. Heck, there were more English speakers than Hawaiian speakers when we violated our treaty by overthrowing the monarchy in 1893. Probably, there were more Japanese speakers then; there definitely were when we invaded and seized the islands in 1898.

I would certainly hope an invading force would bring in enough people to, ya know, have a workable invasion. But I'm talking 1959.

[The_Weirdo]

I would certainly hope an invading force would bring in enough people to, ya know, have a workable invasion.

Not if you're the invaded folks, you wouldn't.