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    In other words, I see V going without trancing as part of the effort of the author to break them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    But that doesn't matter, because V was already going to take the deal.
    Yes, but then it wouldn't have been obvious that it was V's ego that pushed them to accept the deal. They'd have an excuse like "I don't have any other choice" or something. It wouldn't have changed much, but it showcases V character better if the scene is written as it is; V having a choice (or thinking they do) as opposed to being forced to do one particular thing.

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    Just off camera, the Church of Thor Mining Choir are chanting like crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    Just off camera, the Church of Thor Mining Choir are chanting like crazy.
    Who? These guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold View Post
    Those two statements don't seem to be contradictory, nor do they support one another. I suppose they're complementary, arguably...
    I did intend it as support, yes. I think the Giant's go-to technique for writing villains is to extrapolate out an inappropriate response to something. In the case of Redcloak and The Dark One, it's the legitimate observation that the distinction between "normal" and "monstrous" races is completely arbitrary and unfair and the inappropriate response of "do the cosmic-scale equivalent of taking hostages and making demands in exchange for their safety." Tarquin takes the correct observation that narrative laws are at play in his world, just as much as the familiar laws of physics, the less-familiar-but-requiring-no-less-calculus laws of magic and the capricious laws of gaming are, and runs with "this knowledge entitles me to rule over everyone."

    Basically, my intention was to state that the kinds of well-written villains being discussed are the result of (among a lot of other things) starting from a base like this one.

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    Amusingly, if it is the Hammer of Thunderbolts, it doesn't actually deal electricity damage. Instead it's 4d6 magic and bludgeoning damage.

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    Okay, seeing Durkon's expression on the last panel was literally so friggin awesome and that is so freakin cool

    if he uses this against Team Evil I will literally-

    So. Awesome.

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    I just realized that Durkon has shading in the last panel.

    Just like Thor.

    I guess a divine messenger really has to look the part.
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    what have i done? i brought up familicide and now the whole thread is derailed...

    EDIT: seems the rails returned right after i posted this lol
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    So, I'm guessing this is a Nethack reference, in that the gloves are Gauntlets of Power, which you need to throw Mjolnir in Nethack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jallorn View Post
    So, I'm guessing this is a Nethack reference, in that the gloves are Gauntlets of Power, which you need to throw Mjolnir in Nethack.
    Given that Nethack was not the source of that idea, im skeptical. Thor had to wear special gloves to wield Mjolnir all the way back in the original myths, because the handle was made too short for him to wield it safely bare handed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jallorn View Post
    So, I'm guessing this is a Nethack reference, in that the gloves are Gauntlets of Power, which you need to throw Mjolnir in Nethack.
    Probably not:

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    All he needs is a spoon for up his nose, and he'd be a dancin' fool. (Zappa reference ....) Aye. Hiding in plain sight.

    Not sure why the gloves would be silk? (In re a comment further up)
    Thor would smash their heads with his mighty hammer Mjollnir. To wield this awesome weapon he needed iron gloves and a belt of strength. Mjollnir would return to Thor's hand after being thrown and was symbolic of lightning. Thor was foremost of the gods to the common man, who would call on him to ensure fertility, and widely worshiped.
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    Also it could be as easy as "it's electrified so you need safety equipment to handle it". But I like the Hammer of Thunderbolt explanation more. The Messenger of Thor gets a lesser (D&D version) of Mjöllnir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    I just realized that Durkon has shading in the last panel.

    Just like Thor.

    I guess a divine messenger really has to look the part.
    Not that I disagree, but Roy had shading, too, when going full badass.

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    Oh yeah, it's definitely just to emphasize the moment. But I like the connection regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snails View Post
    Also, when holding a light source close to his face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Also it could be as easy as "it's electrified so you need safety equipment to handle it".
    Could be, silk gloves would certainly be stylish. Rubber gloves? Not as much. Pretty sure Durkon isn't all about fashion, regardless of Belkar's barbs.

    As I review the strip again, once more appreciating the use of shadow/shading in the art style.
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    When all you have is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail.

    When you have a rather glorious, enchanted hammer of the gods, well, then, you've got it made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redzimmer View Post
    Hammer of Thunderbolts

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    Just one more item...
    roy has the belt of giant strength. durkon is underleveled thanks to hilgya (now he's -2). roy doesn't want durkon to die again. durkon needs the belt more.
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    I find it funny how so many people connect the hammer and gloves to existing D&D items. I haven't played any actual D&D so I just think of Mjölnir and Thor's gloves. Not saying it's wrong, just interesting how we have different associations.

    Quote Originally Posted by gatemansgc View Post
    roy has the belt of giant strength. durkon is underleveled thanks to hilgya (now he's -2). roy doesn't want durkon to die again. durkon needs the belt more.
    It doesn't sound very satisfying narratively if Roy has to get a downgrade when Durkon gets an upgrade. I'd guess either a belt is included in the hidden drawer and we just haven't seen it yet, or no belt is required for this hammer in the Oots world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nith View Post
    I find it funny how so many people connect the hammer and gloves to existing D&D items. I haven't played any actual D&D so I just think of Mjölnir and Thor's gloves. Not saying it's wrong, just interesting how we have different associations.
    Well, this is a D&D comic and the item is clearly meant to be a watered-down Mjöllnir so it makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redzimmer View Post
    Hammer of Thunderbolts

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatemansgc View Post
    roy has the belt of giant strength. durkon is underleveled thanks to hilgya (now he's -2). roy doesn't want durkon to die again. durkon needs the belt more.
    Alternately, it would be kinda weird to hide an Artifact weapon with one of the two items needed to maximize its power, but not the other one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nith View Post
    I find it funny how so many people connect the hammer and gloves to existing D&D items. I haven't played any actual D&D so I just think of Mjölnir and Thor's gloves. Not saying it's wrong, just interesting how we have different associations.
    Well, to be fair, they don't look like Thor's hammer and gloves.
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    Anyone know what Blackwing's comment about V and Boob dripping meant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nith View Post
    I find it funny how so many people connect the hammer and gloves to existing D&D items. I haven't played any actual D&D so I just think of Mjölnir and Thor's gloves. Not saying it's wrong, just interesting how we have different associations.
    Everyone's right, of course.

    The comic is written to be understandable enough to a non-D&D player. Someone who does not know the Norse story will just shrug at the gloves and just assume it is a powerful weapon inspired by Thor's hammer. You just think of Mjölnir and Thor's gloves, but you know that Thor has his own hammer and gloves in his possession, so there are not the same but intended to be similar. D&D players who remember 3e or 2e or 1e minutia see these other references, too.

    But it ultimately doesn't matter, does it? We know what Durkon will use this hammer for...WWTD!

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    I just noticed the hammer has a strap on the handle. So it won't fly back into Durkon hand if thrown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruck View Post
    Alternately, it would be kinda weird to hide an Artifact weapon with one of the two items needed to maximize its power, but not the other one.
    True. Assuming he has the full set, how would that compensate for the loss of two levels?

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