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2019-01-31, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
In other words, I see V going without trancing as part of the effort of the author to break them.
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2019-01-31, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Yes, but then it wouldn't have been obvious that it was V's ego that pushed them to accept the deal. They'd have an excuse like "I don't have any other choice" or something. It wouldn't have changed much, but it showcases V character better if the scene is written as it is; V having a choice (or thinking they do) as opposed to being forced to do one particular thing.
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2019-01-31, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Just off camera, the Church of Thor Mining Choir are chanting like crazy.
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2019-01-31, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Who? These guys?
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2019-01-31, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
I did intend it as support, yes. I think the Giant's go-to technique for writing villains is to extrapolate out an inappropriate response to something. In the case of Redcloak and The Dark One, it's the legitimate observation that the distinction between "normal" and "monstrous" races is completely arbitrary and unfair and the inappropriate response of "do the cosmic-scale equivalent of taking hostages and making demands in exchange for their safety." Tarquin takes the correct observation that narrative laws are at play in his world, just as much as the familiar laws of physics, the less-familiar-but-requiring-no-less-calculus laws of magic and the capricious laws of gaming are, and runs with "this knowledge entitles me to rule over everyone."
Basically, my intention was to state that the kinds of well-written villains being discussed are the result of (among a lot of other things) starting from a base like this one.
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2019-01-31, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-31, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Okay, seeing Durkon's expression on the last panel was literally so friggin awesome and that is so freakin cool
if he uses this against Team Evil I will literally-
So. Awesome.
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2019-01-31, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
I just realized that Durkon has shading in the last panel.
Just like Thor.
I guess a divine messenger really has to look the part.Forum Wisdom
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2019-01-31, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
It took me a few seconds to figure out what "ruminant boob drippings" meant.
That bird is getting more sassy (and speciesist) every day.When in doubt, set it on fire, right?
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2019-01-31, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
what have i done? i brought up familicide and now the whole thread is derailed...
EDIT: seems the rails returned right after i posted this lol
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2019-01-31, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-31, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
So, I'm guessing this is a Nethack reference, in that the gloves are Gauntlets of Power, which you need to throw Mjolnir in Nethack.
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2019-01-31, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2019-01-31, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Probably not:
Also it could be as easy as "it's electrified so you need safety equipment to handle it". But I like the Hammer of Thunderbolt explanation more. The Messenger of Thor gets a lesser (D&D version) of Mjöllnir.Forum Wisdom
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2019-01-31, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Not that I disagree, but Roy had shading, too, when going full badass.
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2019-01-31, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-01-31, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-31, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-01-31, 04:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
When all you have is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail.
When you have a rather glorious, enchanted hammer of the gods, well, then, you've got it made.Avatar by linklele.
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2019-01-31, 05:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-01-31, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-31, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-31, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
I find it funny how so many people connect the hammer and gloves to existing D&D items. I haven't played any actual D&D so I just think of Mjölnir and Thor's gloves. Not saying it's wrong, just interesting how we have different associations.
It doesn't sound very satisfying narratively if Roy has to get a downgrade when Durkon gets an upgrade. I'd guess either a belt is included in the hidden drawer and we just haven't seen it yet, or no belt is required for this hammer in the Oots world.
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2019-01-31, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-01-31, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-31, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Well, to be fair, they don't look like Thor's hammer and gloves.
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2019-01-31, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-31, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
Everyone's right, of course.
The comic is written to be understandable enough to a non-D&D player. Someone who does not know the Norse story will just shrug at the gloves and just assume it is a powerful weapon inspired by Thor's hammer. You just think of Mjölnir and Thor's gloves, but you know that Thor has his own hammer and gloves in his possession, so there are not the same but intended to be similar. D&D players who remember 3e or 2e or 1e minutia see these other references, too.
But it ultimately doesn't matter, does it? We know what Durkon will use this hammer for...WWTD!I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!
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2019-01-31, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1154 - The Discussion Thread
I just noticed the hammer has a strap on the handle. So it won't fly back into Durkon hand if thrown.
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