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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Well, 1/20 x 1/20 = 1/400.

    So yes, for loose definitions of "a million."
    I mean, this is obviously taking it way too seriously, but the joke on question specifically said that relatively unlikely things were unlikely, as opposed to true one in a million, so 1/400 definitely does not qualify as a sure thing by Elan-logic (Elongic?)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    I mean, this is obviously taking it way too seriously, but the joke on question specifically said that relatively unlikely things were unlikely, as opposed to true one in a million, so 1/400 definitely does not qualify as a sure thing by Elan-logic (Elongic?)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Note to self: be less subtle.
    For what itís worth, I was quoting you, but I knew thatís what you were saying. What I was saying was probably unnecessary anyway, of course, but...

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    For what itís worth, I was quoting you, but I knew thatís what you were saying. What I was saying was probably unnecessary anyway, of course, but...
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    Don't worry. As a great Minrah enthusiastic, I grant you the Minrah's Medal of Honor for Overanalyzing Speech
    Do I qualify for the Vaarsuvius Award for Pedantry by pointing out that "enthusiastic" is an adjective, and you probably meant "enthusiast"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MultitudeMan View Post
    Do I qualify for the Vaarsuvius Award for Pedantry by pointing out that "enthusiastic" is an adjective, and you probably meant "enthusiast"?
    Most certainly you do, oh, estimated fellow, even though your assertive might have been too brief to achieve the highest ranks of Verbose Pedantry.

    That said, I'm an enthusiastic enthusiast.
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    For the next (17th) iteration of this thread I purpose "Class and Level Geekery XVI - True thread resurrection"

    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Well, 1/20 x 1/20 = 1/400.

    So yes, for loose definitions of "a million."
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    Carrot: millions to one

    Quote Originally Posted by b_jonas View Post
    Technically there is, Arcane Trickster, but it sucks. Xykon is an epic Sorcerer who wants as much sorcerer power as he gets and crafts his own epic artifacts, so I don't think there's any class or prestige class other than Sorcerer that he'd actually consider taking.
    According to SRD Arcane trickster includes " an increased effective level of spellcasting". Although, it makes no mention of increasing spells known, which would make it suck for a sorcerer.

    AFAIK, all of the "caster" prestige classes (in core) grant caster level except Dragon Disciple. Dragon Disciple is a bad fit because Xykon hasn't breathed fire or grown wings or claws. Also, the class doesn't give you new spell levels, so he couldn't have more than two levels and still get ninth level spells.

    Arch-mage complements well as it grants spell slots, cast level and spells known (which is everything sorcerer grants) and it would also allow him to pick spell-like ability (energy drain) which would give him an extra daily casting of the spell; although I wouldn't say there's enough evidence to say that's specially the case.
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    Do I qualify for the Vaarsuvius Award for Pedantry by pointing out that "enthusiastic" is an adjective, and you probably meant "enthusiast"?
    We can make adjectives into nouns by adding a suffix. In this cases we'd want "enthusiasticant"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quizatzhaderac View Post
    For the next (17th) iteration of this thread I purpose "Class and Level Geekery XVI - True thread resurrection"
    If we want a true resurrection name it'd have to be True Threadsurrection.
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    Class and Level Geekery XVII - Geekeor Swarm

    Edit:

    Now I thought of:

    Class and Level Geekery XVII - All We Need to Close the Rifts
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    Class and Level Geekery XVII - Geekeor Swarm

    Edit:

    Now I thought of:

    Class and Level Geekery XVII - All We Need to Close the Rifts
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    I second Geekeor Swarm.
    Is it possible to put Xykon's smilie on the Thread title?
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    I second Geekeor Swarm.
    Geekeor Swarm sounds good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    Is it possible to put Xykon's smilie on the Thread title?
    I rather doubt it, since it doesn't show up in post titles.

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    I'm sure this has been answered dozens of times, because it's pretty old material, but I'm wondering about Belkar's wisdom.
    Wis 8-9 (ability score penalty, and can use a third-level scroll when buffed).
    The cure serious wounds scroll was probably written by a cleric, making it a third level scroll, but on the ranger list cure serious wounds is level 4. So wouldn't that mean Belkar has managed to lose wisdom since the early comics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl 2 Expert View Post
    I'm sure this has been answered dozens of times, because it's pretty old material, but I'm wondering about Belkar's wisdom.

    The cure serious wounds scroll was probably written by a cleric, making it a third level scroll, but on the ranger list cure serious wounds is level 4. So wouldn't that mean Belkar has managed to lose wisdom since the early comics?
    IIRC the issue is that itís kind of nonsensical for scrolls to use the users level instead of the writerís (what if itís someone using UMD, how do we know what level to use?). Thereís no truly satisfying answer in the absence of an explicit WotC ruling about this, so I think we decided to just assume that the scroll carries a level based on its creator, mostly because assuming itís level 4 yields a result of a wisdom for Belkar that contradicts other evidence.

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    Okay so it's one of those small gaps in the mechanics everyone has to houserule. Makes sense, thanks.
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    Yah. It was the subject of considerable debate though, and itís entirely possible that Iím mis-representing the gist of it (although not on purpose...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    I rather doubt it, since it doesn't show up in post titles.
    Oh, so sad... The impact1 would be greater with "Geekeor Swarm"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephemera View Post
    Yah. It was the subject of considerable debate though, and itís entirely possible that Iím mis-representing the gist of it (although not on purpose...).
    I actually managed to stumble across the answer when looking up the rules for another situation in the comic:

    "Likewise, some divine spells are different in level for clerics and druids than they are for paladins and rangers. Such spells appear at the level appropriate to a cleric or druid (considered the default because paladins and rangers typically donít involve themselves in scribing scrolls)." Source: SRD

    For the purpose of scrolls, every spell on the cleric list is a cleric spell, and the same goes for wizards. Only exclusive ranger spells would go by their ranger list spell level. So 8-9 wis it is.
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    It's a little detail, and one that we probably already believed to be true, but now we have stated confirmation that Hylgia's "armor" is plate armor.

    If we agree to speculate a little more, we could use the visual similarities (aka visual clues) of both her and Durkon's armor to assume his armor is plate armor too. In this last comic, they look pretty much the same kind of armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    It's a little detail, and one that we probably already believed to be true, but now we have stated confirmation that Hylgia's "armor" is plate armor.

    If we agree to speculate a little more, we could use the visual similarities (aka visual clues) of both her and Durkon's armor to assume his armor is plate armor too. In this last comic, they look pretty much the same kind of armor.
    I don't know, that's pretty thin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    I don't know, that's pretty thin.
    I meant the armor he uses nowadays
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    I didn't notice it at first either, but Roy destroyed his original armor. #1009 last panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    I meant the armor he uses nowadays
    Huh, I thought I'd posted this already but apparently I messed it up somehow.

    The armor he currently uses looks identical to the armor he used to use, so I'd say it's bog-standard plate armor, just like his old stuff. Which would also explain how he got it so quickly, that'd be easy to replace.
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    Did we already decide that Kudzu has CHA +eleventy billion? I think he has some sort of enchantment spell cast on me too so i think he is a preemie spell caster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    The armor he currently uses looks identical to the armor he used to use,...
    Not quite - it has the "skirt plates" (I forget the proper name) Roy gained in the last art upgrade, but Durkula/Durkon didn't get until his new set. There's some smaller changes too, but that's the biggie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    Not quite - it has the "skirt plates" (I forget the proper name) Roy gained in the last art upgrade, but Durkula/Durkon didn't get until his new set. There's some smaller changes too, but that's the biggie.
    Well color me wrong! What are the other differences, I can't tell offhand and I'm intrigued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    Not quite - it has the "skirt plates" (I forget the proper name)
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    Well color me wrong! What are the other differences, I can't tell offhand and I'm intrigued.
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