Hypothetically speaking...

[HackneyedTrope]

Hypothetically speaking, if you killed every goblinoid at once and simultaneously announced the existence of the Dark One to every sentient creature imaginable, would it provide enough Belief, Dedication, and Souls to keep The Dark One alive during the interim period until the Snarl can be trapped again?
[0312PT 02/03/2019]

[Heksefatter]

Hypothetically speaking, if you killed every goblinoid at once and simultaneously announced the existence of the Dark One to every sentient creature imaginable, would it provide enough Belief, Dedication, and Souls to keep The Dark One alive during the interim period until the Snarl can be trapped again?
[0312PT 02/03/2019]

I don't think anyone but possibly the Giant has the knowledge to answer that question. And even the Giant, despite sort of being the Ao of the Stickverse, may not have defined the metaphysics of it well enough to answer your question.

After all, the divine metaphysics have not been shared with us in a very exact way, and we have little basis of speculation in such extreme cases.

That said, my guess is no.

[ShadowSandbag]

I would say no for two reasons. 1) it still leaves him without worship, which seems to be fairly important. And 2) there is a difference in belief and knowledge. It seems to me that belief is beyond just knowing names. If that were true, Any mortal could fairly easily get enough belief to attain godhood. Saying “By the way a god of goblins exists” doesn’t do anything if the people don’t also believe that there is The Dark One or that he is an actual god.

[HackneyedTrope]

it still leaves him without worship, which seems to be fairly important

Yeah, but it's explicitly stated that Hel has been able to last the past 1100+ years on minimal worship, and while Goblins may not be QUITE as populous as something like Dwarves, they're still a major race, and The Dark One gets them all, presumably.
[1554PT 02/03/2019]

[PirateMonk]

If the gods destroy the world, all the goblinoids will die anyway, so this probably wouldn't make much difference, and it's unlikely that the brief period of belief between when you told everyone about him and when everyone died would be enough for him to get much power from it.

In Hel's case, it seems from Thor's comments in 1144 that the decisive factor is that she's been getting belief (but not worship) from all the worshipers of the Northern Pantheon for thousands of years, whereas the Dark One has only been getting it from the less-numerous goblinoids for a few centuries. She also has souls from a much longer period of history and possibly from previous worlds, if that counts for anything.

[NoHaxJustPi]

Another case of belief without worship is that Odin didn’t get much (or possibly any) worship last world, but he did get belief, meaning he hasn’t faded away.

[woweedd]

Hypothetically speaking, if you killed every goblinoid at once and simultaneously announced the existence of the Dark One to every sentient creature imaginable, would it provide enough Belief, Dedication, and Souls to keep The Dark One alive during the interim period until the Snarl can be trapped again?
[0312PT 02/03/2019]

..I don't think that's how belief works.

[Snails]

Very likely: no.

Thor indicating that gods meatier than The Dark One have perished between worlds would seem likely to include the possibility of a closing day feast. Thor does get the context, as he has seen literally a million variants of the world ending, even if perhaps he himself is less than perfectly certain about TDO's fate.

[Rrmcklin]

Gotta love hypotheticals about murdering tons of innocents for the greater good.

[Quebbster]

I'm going to go with "no". Mostly because I don't see the Giant presenting genocide as a viable solution to a problem.

[martianmister]

I'm going to go with "no". Mostly because I don't see the Giant presenting genocide as a viable solution to a problem.

Except when Durkon does it.

[woweedd]

Except when Durkon does it.

He’s not going to kill all Vampires, just the ones that are currently attempting to kill everyone.

[Rrmcklin]

Except when Durkon does it.

What is this in reference to? The vampire situation right now? Because that's not genocide by any stretch of the word.

[woweedd]

sonic boooooooom!!!

That killed evil treants, and was also the product of literal divine intervention, meaning it probably didn't kill anyone Thor didn't want it to kill. also, not what Genocide mean.s I know that's a nitpick, but genocide isn't just a synonym for mass murder, it has an actual specific meaning.

[martianmister]

He's shown as a supporter of exterminating trees, including sapient ones.

[woweedd]

He's shown as a supporter of exterminating trees, including sapient ones.

Trees ar inanimate plants, and the only sapient trees he's been shown interacting with tried to murder quite a few people.

[martianmister]

Trees ar inanimate plants, and the only sapient trees he's been shown interacting with tried to murder quite a few people.

He believes that all trees are sapient in some way, hence he's destroying them.

[NoHaxJustPi]

He believes that all trees are sapient in some way, hence he's destroying them.

First of all, it’s not just Durkon that hates trees (also, he doesn’t go out of his way to destroy them.)
Second of all, he has reasons. Trees have a tendency to break into dwarven tunnels, likely damaging them. Also, before Thor talked to him in person, his justification that Thor smites them was perfectly valid.

[martianmister]

First of all, it’s not just Durkon that hates trees (also, he doesn’t go out of his way to destroy them.)

So? I never claimed otherwise.

Second of all, he has reasons. Trees have a tendency to break into dwarven tunnels, likely damaging them. Also, before Thor talked to him in person, his justification that Thor smites them was perfectly valid.

So? It's still genocide even if there is some kind of justification.

[Dion]

So? It's still genocide even if there is some kind of justification.

Chaotic evil Durkon. First he murders helpless pints, then he genocides all the sentient trees.

Xykon, Belkar, and Hilgya have a lot to learn from him.

[martianmister]

Chaotic evil Durkon. First he murders helpless pints, then he genocides all the sentient trees.

Xykon, Belkar, and Hilgya have a lot to learn from him.

Isn't genocide usually associated with Lawful Evil?

[Goblin_Priest]

Speaking of belief, it's said that it shapes the gods, right? That people shunning magic wreaked havoc on Odin. That people's belief made Thor a/not a ginger.

But... what about...

THE TREES! Everyone believes Thor hates trees. So why does he seemingly not hate trees?

[D.One]

Speaking of belief, it's said that it shapes the gods, right? That people shunning magic wreaked havoc on Odin. That people's belief made Thor a/not a ginger.

But... what about...

THE TREES! Everyone believes Thor hates trees. So why does he seemingly not hate trees?

He does. He just hasn't realized yet how deep his hatred goes...

[Fyraltari]

Speaking of belief, it's said that it shapes the gods, right? That people shunning magic wreaked havoc on Odin. That people's belief made Thor a/not a ginger.

But... what about...

THE TREES! Everyone believes Thor hates trees. So why does he seemingly not hate trees?

Not everyone. Only dwarves. The other Northeners don't. And Odin is still suffering from the effects of the beliefs of the previous world so Thor is probably still in part shaped by their belief too and we don't know that they thought he had anything against trees.

[KorvinStarmast]

I'm going to go with "no". Mostly because I don't see the Giant presenting genocide as a viable solution to a problem.

This. .

[Peelee]

Isn't genocide usually associated with Lawful Evil?

Why? It's Evil on the Good/Evil axis, but it doesn't really care about the Lawful/Chaotic axis.

[Fyraltari]

Why? It's Evil on the Good/Evil axis, but it doesn't really care about the Lawful/Neutral axis.

I would venture a guess that it's because it usually takes some serious logistics (or a great deal of like-minded people) to pull it off. Though I guess a very dedicated individual or someone with a whole lot of firepower could do it on their own.

EDIT: also I guess becuase the idea of judging people based on the group they blong to rather than individuality is maybe lawful?

EDIT EDIT: You meant "Lawful/Chaotic" axis, right?

[Peelee]

I would venture a guess that it's because it usually takes some serious logistics (or a great deal of like-minded people) to pull it off. Though I guess a very dedicated individual or someone with a whole lot of firepower could do it on their own.

Eh, I could see the hordes of the Abyss genociding without too much hassle.

EDIT EDIT: You meant "Lawful/Chaotic" axis, right?

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

I would venture a guess that it's because it usually takes some serious logistics (or a great deal of like-minded people) to pull it off. Though I guess a very dedicated individual or someone with a whole lot of firepower could do it on their own.

The classic "barbarian horde" that goes ravaging across a countryside, killing and pillaging (and worse) anything that moves in its ways and leaves naught but smoking ruins and half-eaten corpses in its wake is not what usually springs to mind when one thinks "lawful" and yet they are perfectly capable of carrying out genocide.

(I know that in RL such "barbarian hordes" had as strong a sense of law as the peoples they invaded; different, yes, but as strongly enforced. I'm referring to the fantasy versions)

In short: I agree with Peelee that genocide could ping anywhere in the Lawful/Chaotic scale.

Grey Wolf

[Aveline]

I think the selective nature of genocide separates it from other mass murders on the Law/Chaos spectrum, into the side of Law.