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    Exclamation The Age of Warriors (Project Revived!)

    In the ancient misty era of ten years ago, there was a project to make a sequel to Tome of Battle that expanded its world and collected the great TOB homebrews that have been made.

    It seems to have never been finished so I’m doing that now. Most of the important work has been done already by the homebrewers and the people in the original thread who collated their work.

    The result will be a PDF doc that reads like an actual, if fanmade, sourcebook. I’ll make sure it doesn’t look too ugly.

    While I’ll follow through with this even on my own, and will update this thread accordingly, the end product will be seriously improved if other people care to pitch in.

    Things to be done

    There are 3 main tasks. Right beneath this post is a task board for specific things that need doing. Check there if you’d like to help.

    1. Crunch. Reviewing and editing the mechanics of the homebrew material, and building a few things still missing. This is where help would be great.

    2. Fluff. This is the part where the least got done in the original threads. I can take care of it.

    3. Find pictures. I think it’s important to include illustrations, probably pretty generously, so it’s a straightforward task of finding good ones online that we’re allowed to use, show the right thing, and have the right art style.

    Lastly, there may be homebrew material that I've missed, this is lower priority since we have sufficient stuff but if you know of good material we've overlooked please do link it.

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    Contents Of This Thread

    Post 1: Intro (this one)
    Post 2: Task Board
    Post 3: Crunch central
    Post 4: Fluff central
    Post 5: Image central
    Post 6: Table of Contents for the book
    Post 7: Disciplines
    Post 8: Base Classes (including class variants)
    Post 9: PrCs
    Post 10: Feats
    Post 11: Legacy Weapons
    Post 12: Other Magic Items
    Post 13: Monsters
    Post 14: Errata and FAQ
    Post 15: Reserved (variant rules?)
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    TASK BOARD

    Once these are done we will be g2g.

    This list will keep getting updated as we progress so everything here's current.

    Spoiler: DISCIPLINES
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    - Finalize the archery disciplines
    - Convert Dread Crown to an Epic Discipline
    - Make a new [shield tank discipline], modeled on PF's Iron Tortoise.
    - Create composite disciplines from the multiple extant disciplines for antimagic, flying combat (maybe) and incarnum.


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    - Finish Poet and Animist.


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    - Build [TOB/Soulknife] PrC. They make their mindblade take the form of the Nine Swords (or other discipline weapons), and can shift between them. Each sword has different benefits. Shouldn't req more than 1lvl of soulknife.

    - Edit Warsmith, artificer/ToB PRC, to fit new concept.

    - Convert Firebrand base class to a PrC for the warlord.


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    Here are the disciplines that still need legacy weapons made for them:

    Dancing Leaf
    Falling Anvil - Frying Pan of Doom, possibly Rubber Chicken?
    Falling Star - Bow or crossbow with sniper theme
    Fool’s Grip - The Universal Weapon
    Lightning Fox
    Oncoming Storm
    Phoenix Feather - Magic longbow modeled after hank's bow
    Sleeping Goddess
    [Volley Archery Discipline]
    Witch Razor

    —Planar Disciplines—

    Infinite Torment - “Flamescourge" or something dramatic like that
    Ninefold Damnation - cornugon spiked chain, barbezu glaive, or a flamberge
    Stygian Nightmare - a scythe


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    Planning to do all the fluff writing myself unless anyone volunteers. Would love to hear ideas for:

    - What it was that brought an end to the dark age that followed the fall of the Temple of Nine Swords, and initiated the Age of Warriors.

    - Characters, places, legacy weapons, etc.


    Once these are done: image gathering and, of course, a boatlaod of QA.
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    Fluff Central

    GOAL: Make the sourcebook entertaining to read even if you don’t play 3.5e.

    The title, “Age of Warriors”, clearly implies the theme — a new era in which martial learning multiplies and many new disciplines are founded.

    We're emerging from the dark age that followed the fall of Reshar’s temple. So:

    What has happened to cause this? What sparked this renaissance of martial learning? Let’s think of a clear trigger event. It could be a world war, an invention, a refounding of the temple, a cataclysm, etcetera.

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    #1. Fluff matters. ToB emphasized fluff more than other 3.5 books and that's even more important now that fewer people play the game, so this should be as fun as possible even as a recreational read.

    #2. Genre blending and cultural fusion. It's not just Oriental Adventures and wuxia, it's a complete fantasy fusion world.

    #3. Admitting imbalance. ToB’s crunch was good because it constituted an admission that the game wasn't balanced the way it was probably intended. As such, Age of Warriors embraces the high-magic world of 3.5, where casters are incredibly powerful and warriors need to be, basically, anime characters in order to be effective.
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    Image Central

    This will mostly happen once the crunch and fluff is settled, and I plan to do it last.

    However, if you want to pitch in, we will at minimum need

    A picture of a practitioner of at least some of the disciplines
    A picture of each prestige class
    An iconic character for each new base class
    Pictures for at least some of the discipline legacy weps
    At least 2 images of locations or landscapes in the Nine Swords world, for the fluff section.

    Style Guideline
    No anime or cartoon style.
    No crazy oversized armor etc. TOB is anime but it *looks* fairly realistic.
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    Table of Contents for “The Age of Warriors”
    (the book not the thread)

    Introduction
    1: The World of Nine Swords [may move lower down]
    2: Base Classes
    3: Feats
    4: Prestige Classes
    5: New Disciplines
    6: Legacy Weapons
    7: Magic Items
    8: Monsters
    9: Errata and FAQ
    Credits
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    DISCIPLINES!

    We'll use The Demented One’s method of learning new disciplines — you don’t have to give up one of your known schools in exchange. After all you’re already limited by maneuvers known and maneuver prereqs.


    Homebrew Martial Discipline Compendium

    I’ve reduced the 200+ on that list to this shortlist.

    1. The disciplines that are definitely in need crunch QA and editing.

    2. The disciplines that are maybe in need work to improve them. Input about which ones you think are/aren't worth including would be great.

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    - You should be able to visually distinguish someone using each discipline, yet they shouldn’t be so broad or specific that they’re more of a class. The sweet spot is where it’s cool as a fighting style but couldn’t be a whole class.

    - Keeping it “blade magic” rather than just “magic”.

    - We don’t care about bingo-board rubrics like having one for every skill/element/etc.

    3. Where there are multiple disciplines for a certain theme, a composite discipline needs to be created with the best from each.


    Massive shoutout to The Demented One, sirpercival, ErrantX, Xefas, Edge, and the others who wrote these.


    ACCEPTED
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    Army of One - Fight many oppos
    Black Rain - Guns
    Bloodstained Gutter - Streetfighting
    Broken Blade - Fight other martial adepts
    Chthonic Serpent - Whips n trips
    Coin's Edge - Luck
    Cosmic Imperator
    Dancing Leaf - Evasive fighting
    Event Horizon - Gravity
    Falling Star +2 more to be renamed - Archery
    Fool's Grip - Improvised weapons
    Narrow Bridge - Positive and negative energy; line between life and death
    Ocean Soul
    Penitent Martyr - *Of course* in 9 swords world the means of atonement would be mastering a martial discipline.
    Sleeping Goddess
    Relentless Dusk (combined with parts of Void Messiah)
    Scarlet Bravura - Self-sacrificial White Raven offshoot
    Sublime Tapestry - Meta discipline
    Twin Spirit - Mounted.
    Venerable Battlefield (needs editing) - For gods; requires divine ranks.
    Witch Razor - Occult
    Wyrm's Might

    —Planar Disciplines—
    Far Realm - Far Realm
    Infinite Torment - Abyssal
    Golden Saint - Exalted; nonlethal
    Kaleidoscopic Dream - Limbo
    Ninefold Damnation - Diabolic
    Stygian Nightmare - Hades, Gehenna
    Quicksilver Aegis - Mechanus, law

    —Epic Disciplines— (rules for them by The Demented One)
    Celestial Impetus - Force
    Devouring Crypt - Necromancy
    Dread Crown (remake as Epic Discipline) - Fighting style of demon and devil lords
    Invincible Sword Princess - The "generic" epic discipline, based on ancient war goddess
    March of Aeons - Large scale time manipulation
    Rainbow's End - Awesome prismatic coatl powers
    Shattered Glass - Secrets of a primordial entity whose body was shattered into a sentient extraplanar desert of silver glass shards

    —Lighthearted Disciplines—
    Falling Anvil - Slapstick
    Carnal Blossom - Hentai (it's not obscene but not linking b/c I know the forum's rules are strict)
    Edge Country Hurricane - Random word generator
    Hero's Edge - Anime parkour vs bigger creatures.

    —Machinist Disciplines—
    Akasha's Timepiece
    Crystalline Optics
    Entropy Dynamo or Entropy Flux
    Experimental Alchemy


    MAYBE
    Which of these should be included? - Opinions please

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    Anima River - revise&trim
    Dancing Goddess - revise&trim
    Lightning Fox - kind of boring?
    Mental Grip - Telekinesis.
    Oncoming Storm - Kind of dull
    Soothed Beast - complete&QA
    Throne Shadow (rename) - revise&complete

    —Poet (sublime bard) disciplines— these need serious work
    Divine Muse
    Eloquent Speech very heavily revised
    Infinite Shore - Dreams


    OVERLAPPING DISCIPLINES
    Which do you think is best?
    OR
    Which maneuvers to keep from each.

    We’ll end up with 1 discipline per theme.

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    —Antimagic/Magekiller—
    Mystic Eclipse
    Sublime Sovereignity
    Sacred Might (rename, refluff) - wouldn’t use this setting-specific name+fluff, but rather mechanics

    —Flying—
    North Wind
    Volitant Feather
    Aerial Ace
    Circling Vulture


    Additional maneuvers for the core 9 disciplines
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    Base Classes

    Animist (TOB Ranger)

    Machinist

    Poet (TOB Bard)

    Warlord (TOB Marshal/4e Warlord)

    Preexisting Classes

    Swashbuckler (TOB Swashbuckler)

    Epic Progression for Crusader, Swordsage and Warblade - Krimm

    Binder - two new vestiges: Reshar, Lord of the Nine Swords and Kaziir-Thet, Stealer of Clarity.

    Martial ACFs for Core classes [WIP]
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    S/O to Krimm, Demented One and the rest.


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    Cross-subsystem PRCs are marked with an obelus †.

    Adept Hunter
    Blade Operant - good concept, needs some edit
    Bloodsage
    Braveheart Bravo - make open to all small races
    Brother of the Diamond Tusk - Dwarf boar-rider
    Crimson Banner Executor
    Demonspawn Harbinger† - warlock/initiator, replace Dread Crown with Infinite Torment
    Duke of the Last Light
    Enlightened Budoka
    Errant Blademaster - pidgin Sublime Way — great concept
    Firebrand - warlord PrC (PrC conversion of playswithfire’s base class).
    Knight of the Fractured Prism
    Knight of the Word† - truenamer/martial adept
    Leviathan-Born
    Madspawn Broodling
    Master of One
    Nonexistent Assassin (formerly Dreaming Lotus Assassin)
    Occult Adversary† - TOB/binding
    Oracle Knight
    Pragmatist
    Seeker of Lost Swords
    Soul Disciple† - TOB/Incarnum
    Shrouded Ambusher
    Spellfire Banisher- give it the as-yet-unnamed antimagic discipline.
    Student of Nine Claws
    Sublime Form Master
    Sublime Warrior - self-taught martial adepts who discovered the Sublime Way on their own
    Thousand Arrow Archer
    Unveiled Dragon - Dragons who love swords/sublime way so much that they shapeshift into humanoids so they can fight with them
    Warforged Armorlord
    Warsmith† - Artificer/TOB. Edit
    Whirlwind Heir


    PrC Variants
    Alternate Vindicators (edit)
    ToB blackguard- Maybe this would be better as a crusader class variant that swapped Stone Dragon for Shadow Hand and had evil class features?
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    Feats

    A collation of the feats that go with the new PrCs, disciplines, and base classes. In addition, I’ll trawl through the homebrew ToB feats that exist on this board.
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    Discipline Weapons

    Legacy weapon user costs getting removed obviously.

    For building these swords, not going to be constrained by the crappy WOL list of possible abilities.

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    Army of One - One Man Stand, animated shield.
    Black Rain - Jude's Jurisprudence, revolver and Outlaw's Equalizer, shotgun
    Bloodstained Gutter - Famous Prison Shiv
    Broken Blade - Swordbane, a swordbreaker that can rust magic weapons. It destroyed the Sublime Tapestry sword.
    Chthonic Serpent - Venomchain
    Coin’s Edge - Possibility, the Original Luckblade
    Cosmic Imperator - The Ego Scepter
    Dancing Leaf -
    Event Horizon - Swandemure, the Sword of Lightness [light] and Weightthrust, the Gravity Spear [heavy]
    Hero's Edge - Laserbeam Ultrasword, katana
    Falling Anvil - Frying Pan of Doom, Vlax’s Rubber Chicken
    Falling Star - Longbow (seeking)
    Fool’s Grip - The Universal Weapon
    [Mass archery discipline] -
    Narrow Bridge - Scales of Balance, quarterstaff, updated from WoL like Desert Wind was.
    Ocean Soul - Coral’s Bite, trident, also updated from WoL, and Ocean's Fury, khopesh
    Penitent Martyr - Remorse, flail
    Phoenix Feather - Magic elven longbow [force + probably splitting]
    Relentless Dusk - Camonglane, Mace of Oblivion
    Scarlet Bravura - Blood Promise and Nematryon, the Leader’s Dare
    Sublime Tapestry - The Hilt (the blade was destroyed by Swordbane). (Just looked, what a great coincidence: “Alone, it is an incomplete style, like a sword hilt without the blade.” )
    Twin Spirit - Heartfallen, lance
    Venerable Battlefield - The Godsword, fullblade
    Witch Razor -

    —Planar Disciplines—
    The weapons of the planar disciplines weren’t made by normal means, but rather were pulled out of the essence of their plane by powerful outsiders in ages past.

    Infinite Torment - “Flamescourge" or something dramatic like that
    Golden Saint - The Sword of Love, aurorum greatsword
    Kaleidoscopic Dream - Anzriposte, meteor hammer
    Ninefold Damnation - cornugon spiked chain or a pitchfork [axiomatic, unholy, flaming]
    Far Realm - The World Wound
    Stygian Nightmare - a scythe [stygian]
    Quicksilver Aegis - The Quicksilver Aegis, defensive item which turns you into a being of liquid mercury, and the Axiom Axe.
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    Baastan's Arm - Krimm
    Warheart Weapons - The Demented One
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    Errata
    A direct import, with only a few additions, of MinMaxBoards’ errata.
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    [reserved for anything else.]



    Last notes:

    - Yes, this is about a splatbook from 13 years ago that will never again be relevant.

    - Next update in a couple days.
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    I am very happy that this is being revived (as can probably be guessed from my signature). Slight egotistical question: The original Age of Warriors listed my Narrow Bridge discipline as a possibility. Is there a reason you haven't listed it anywhere?
    My homebrew:

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    The Narrow Bridge
    The Broken Blade

    Prestige classess:
    Disciple of Karsus -PrC for Karsites.
    The Seekers of Lost Swords and the Preserver of Future Blades Two interelated Tome of Battle Prcs,
    Master of the Hidden Seal - Binder/Divine hybrid
    Knight of the Grave- Necromancy using Gish



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    Nice to see this one back!

    I actually do have two I could add - I always meant to follow this up with you, but ... didn't. :)

    The first one is already mentioned under the already-accepted Chthonic Serpent discipline, which you could bring out into the Monster section if you wanted - the Dorokusai (Greater Chain Demon). It only uses maneuvers from the Chthonic Serpent discipline and ToB.

    The second one is an orphan from years and years back, but it's a PrC I made for this enterprise: the Brother of the Diamond Tusk, a mounted PrC; the concept is essentially Dwarven Boar Cavalry. (I have to reformat the tables to new forum script, that's how old it is ;) )

    Brother of the Diamond Tusk is mostly-compatible in that it uses ToB and the accepted Army of One discipline, but the only part that might be contingent or need some reworking is the fact it has the option to pull maneuvers from the Twin Spirit school, which I see you're still considering. Obviously I have a conflict of interest, but I'd love to see Twin Spirit go in. It's a wonderful niche discipline in that nothing else to my mind replicates, and the idea of a semi-mystic mounted combat adept is just great. I'd be willing to go in and see if I can rework the discipline if it's a matter of making it a bit more interesting.

    In addition, and on a related note: another mounted PrC that uses Twin Spirit is Krimm's Eaglewing Striker which I used as a major template to build the Brother of the Diamond Tusk. I don't see that one mentioned, but, again, announcing my conflict of interest, I'd love to see this one in here as well. They could be a nice and very specific pair of PrCs for Twin Spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshuaZ View Post
    The original Age of Warriors listed my Narrow Bridge discipline as a possibility. Is there a reason you haven't listed it anywhere?
    I did read that one, it's evocative. Added. Would you mind it being swordsage-only? It's another way to differentiate it from the other death disciplines, and I don't think crusaders (or warblades) would be into its nuanced and monastic nature.


    Oh, hey Saintheart. I was a fan of your RHOD handbook back in the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saintheart View Post
    I always meant to follow this up with you, but ... didn't. :)
    FYI, I was *not* on the original team for this. My much younger self read it though, and just now coming back I realized it was never finished.

    Hence, please don't hesitate to question my decisions, I'm only here so that it gets done.

    Dwarves riding giant boars is a kind of terrifying image if you imagine all the enraged oinking and screaming. Added.

    Moved Twin Spirit to included, we do need a mount discipline, though I think it's bland in parts, with only a few maneuvers fulfilling the title concept.

    Re Eaglewing Striker. I felt it wasn't centered on the Sublime Way enough, since the eagle is the centerpiece.

    Second, concept didn't really do it for me as giant eagles a) seem over-specific yet not specific enough and b) should really only be able to carry someone in their claws. These two are fluff though; could change the steed to something more overtly magical and connected to the Sublime Way -- a ziz or a new creature. Or generalize it for any flying mount.

    (Just to explain more, I'd like for the PRCs here to not just be using Tome of Battle's mechanics to describe old archetypes, but rather to invent new concepts that are bound specifically to the Sublime Way.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    Yeah, I read that one, it's evocative. Added. Would you mind it being swordsage-only? It's another way to differentiate it from the other death disciplines, and I don't think crusaders (or warblades) would be into its nuanced and monastic nature.
    That's a valid point. I'd be perfectly ok with that restriction. We may also want to consider for the project renaming my Broken Blade discipline since Pathfinder's Path of War made a discipline by that name, and so renaming it may help reduce confusion.
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    The Narrow Bridge
    The Broken Blade

    Prestige classess:
    Disciple of Karsus -PrC for Karsites.
    The Seekers of Lost Swords and the Preserver of Future Blades Two interelated Tome of Battle Prcs,
    Master of the Hidden Seal - Binder/Divine hybrid
    Knight of the Grave- Necromancy using Gish



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    OH GOD THAT WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO I'M SO OLD.
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    I'd be in for this, though my homebrew talent is untried. I could get the Epic parts up and running, since I'm more familiar with that. Should we include some of BelGarath's and other's Epic Destinies? Krim's feats? We should have a sepreat section for that material, if included, since it's... Specialized.

    Also, Fully support the removing of penalties for legacy weapons, but archery needs more support than one disipline.
    This might help: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...ng-ToB-archery

    Edit: I'll dig up links for epic later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshuaZ View Post
    We may also want to consider for the project renaming my Broken Blade discipline since Pathfinder's Path of War made a discipline by that name, and so renaming it may help reduce confusion.
    Thanks for alerting me to that book since it looks like ErrantX wrote for it and they used Silver Crane. They also used Sleeping Goddess, but I don't know if that was with Demented One's permission since his sig says he's fine with his homebrew being used in anything.

    Fortunately, both of those were on the "iffy" list.

    Since they didn't actually use your discipline, I personally don't think it's a problem that the names coincide, especially as it's a better fit for yours. Alternative names: Culpable Hand, Honor Kept, Lightning Duel, Blade Lock - none of those are as good.



    Quote Originally Posted by JMS View Post
    I'd be in for this...
    Help with the epic parts would be great. There are the two discipline conversions for example, most importantly Dread Crown.

    Here are the relevant Epic Destinies from this thread if you want to look through them. I will later.
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    This looks like a really cool project.

    I personally really like the Dancing Leaf Discipline. I haven't read through all of the Disciplines on the Maybe list, but Event Horizon and Hero's Edge both look like fun, and I definitely like the flavor of Dancing Goddess

    For when you're ready to deal with the feats section, I made one that I don't think is on any compiled list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    Thanks for alerting me to that book since it looks like ErrantX wrote for it and they used Silver Crane. They also used Sleeping Goddess, but I don't know if that was with Demented One's permission since his sig says he's fine with his homebrew being used in anything.

    Help with the epic parts would be great. There are the two discipline conversions for example, most importantly Dread Crown.

    Here are the relevant Epic Destinies from this thread if you want to look through them. I will later.
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    I’ll look through the Epic stuff later, but if I recall, it’s mostly good. For PoW, we need a decision on disciplines in there, and what to do for stuff like Sleeping Goddess, which isn’t an exact copy, IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMS View Post
    For PoW, we need a decision on disciplines in there, and what to do for stuff like Sleeping Goddess, which isn’t an exact copy, IIRC.
    The only 3 overlapping disciplines are Silver Heron, Iron Tortoise and Sleeping Goddess.

    Heron and Tortoise obviously nixed, since it's Errant publishing his homebrew and would be redundant anyways.

    Tortoise is unfortunate, have to either start from scratch on or bin the warblade tank discipline.

    Losing Heron is no issue as there's Golden Saint to fill the celestial role.

    Sleeping Goddess is only off limits if Demented got paid for it, I'll PM Errant though he's been gone since '17. Wouldn't be huge loss, like my note for it said I want to keep sublime way separate from psi and it overlapped with Diamond Mind thematically.

    POW's take on ranger is not bad although AOW's ranger shouldn't have mentions of ki. Also, anyone who plays a class called stalker that learns the Stalker Arts is asking for some jokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    The only 3 overlapping disciplines are Silver Heron, Iron Tortoise and Sleeping Goddess.

    Heron and Tortoise obviously nixed, since it's Errant publishing his homebrew and would be redundant anyways.

    Tortoise is unfortunate, have to either start from scratch on or bin the warblade tank discipline.

    Losing Heron is no issue as there's Golden Saint to fill the celestial role.
    There are a few more that are a name swap of difference, I built a Jade Throne specialist, which mirrors Scarlet Throne, others I can’t recall without some time at the list of disciplines.

    Also, Warrior’s way has the wildheart, made a sublime Barb/Ranger
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    By the way, you should probably take my Bloodstained Gutter off the discipline list. IT was a nice idea, but it never got above level 4 and I still have no idea how to finish it.

    Should martial soulknives be a thing? I occasionally try to make them, but it always comes down to me to soulknife just being too narrow a thing to build an entire class around. It seems like one class feature, not an entire class.

    Have you considered making a psychic discipline based on soulknives perhaps? Or a prestige class (requirements: diamond blade, one psychic discipline)? A feat chain?

    Same for Bard, really. White Raven already covers most of what I'd feel a martial bard would do.

    Also, Dancing Leaf should absolutely be on there. I love that discipline and I've used it before on characters.
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    By the way, you should probably take my Bloodstained Gutter off the discipline list. IT was a nice idea, but it never got above level 4 and I still have no idea how to finish it.

    Should martial soulknives be a thing? I occasionally try to make them, but it always comes down to me to soulknife just being too narrow a thing to build an entire class around. It seems like one class feature, not an entire class.

    Have you considered making a psychic discipline based on soulknives perhaps? Or a prestige class (requirements: diamond blade, one psychic discipline)? A feat chain?

    Same for Bard, really. White Raven already covers most of what I'd feel a martial bard would do.

    Also, Dancing Leaf should absolutely be on there. I love that discipline and I've used it before on characters.
    Here is a piece of work by Lix Lorn for a Psionic discipline, + Soul Knife replacer: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...tEOD4_JaE/edit

    For Bard, Song of the White raven works very well.
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    Same for Bard, really. White Raven already covers most of what I'd feel a martial bard would do.
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    Or what if it were reliant on pre-combat buffing? People would gain buffs by reading their poetry or hearing them perform (maybe the buff could be access to martial maneuvers themselves?). This makes a lot of sense to me, flavorwise but also mechanically in terms of the support character giving their teammates access to extra abilities, not just flat bonuses.

    Edit: if it were epic poetry, the buff could be because people take on aspects of the heroic warriors the tale describes. There could even be two categories of buff, narrative and lyrical (and instrumental?).

    What I’d like for the AOW bard is a class who is actually a bard, rather than a melee fighter. For example, Demented One’s Warrior-Poet is about seeing “the poetry of battle”, which IMO is not a distinct enough premise especially when swordsages are already noted to be artsy.

    Plus I’d like to show the idea that the Sublime Way can be used for other things than combat — while still not confusing it with magic — and this seems good for that, especially since poetry is already linked to the “sublime”.

    I like the name Poet for this class because it's a more specific version of Bard, same as Paladin>Crusader. And you can differentiate them with a fun kind of enmity -- "pfah, bards are common performers, not true poets", etc.

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    Soulknife, I did like the concept of them conjuring the Nine Swords as their mindblades, again because it lets those swords get put in a campaign without the story having to revolve around them.

    But you're frankly right that this is overspecific. It would be better as a PRC for which you take a 1 level soulknife dip. Vorpal Cog looks cool too.

    This only leaves the question of the TOB ranger.

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    The concept (and name) are great though. I can take a stab at finishing it, if nothing else it can be included in a “fledgling disciplines” section.

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    Also, regarding the need to build a Knight of the Word PrC, I'd be happy to do so if people didn't mind that instead of standard truenaming it used Kellus's Way Words Work system (which is much better than the standard truenamer which is worth at least 2.5 headaches).
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