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    Cool. I will work on that. I did think fluff relating to the temple was still appropriate for this setting, but I do confess irritation at setting specific fluff locking people out of a class.

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    Cool idea: use b&w Chinese-style ink images for Shadow Hand manuevers. Example:

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    Thanks. Made suggested changes. I also allowed sharing of boosts (that doesn't make it too Op, right?).

    I do appreciate more high ranking unique outsiders. And the redeeming Rakshasa is a fascinating concept. Maybe they undergo metamorphosis upon achieving Good alignment?

    Speaking of Rakshasa, I have been wondering about making a prestige class I call Shadow Tiger Slayer. It is for those who hate the Shadow Tiger horde for destroying the temple. They specialise in fighting "Shadow Tigers", which includes Rakshasas, natives of the plane of shadow, those with the incorporeal subtype and anyone in a Shadow Hand or Tiger Claw stance. (They also get access to the other 7 temple disciplines)

    Thoughts?
    This sounds awesome. One idea for you .... rakshasas, as you know, have backwards hands ... it would be cool to see some maneuvers in Shadow Hand & Tiger Claw school to somehow or other have thematic or mechanical reference to their backwards hands.

    The backwards hands aspect of rakshasas never seem to get much attention or flavor-spotlighting. So maybe this is a cool way to do it?

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    Did a massive and mind-killing image trawl, including raiding the M:TG catalogues of Wayne England and Howard Lyon who illustrated BO9S. Found a few usable things. Still have to find item pictures but that's a whole separate trawl and I'll do it sometime later.

    Title image still evasive. In lieu of the traditional fantasy image, something subdued with black martial arts silhouettes could be enough.

    Edit: This thread is still getting views so if any of you who pass through have images to recommend please do. Just no cartoons and no "hot babes" style pics.
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    How do I apply to make a thing? i will soon submit the Resharian battle-psychic, a pumped up mindblade initiator who focuses on one of the disciplines

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    How do I apply to make a thing? i will soon submit the Resharian battle-psychic, a pumped up mindblade initiator who focuses on one of the disciplines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavenblade View Post
    How do I apply to make a thing? i will soon submit the Resharian battle-psychic, a pumped up mindblade initiator who focuses on one of the disciplines
    Cool, look forward to seeing it. Maybe do it as a soulknife overhaul, since I'm doing a soulborn overhaul, so those will fit together in terms of both providing intersystem synergy. Alternately you could do it as an initiator-psionic gish PRC.
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    A problem I've realized while doing the new maneuvers for the original 9 disciplines is: Desert Wind doesn't really have a defined combat style, other than "I deal fire damage". It makes some gestures at mobility, but other than that one great counter all its attempts at mobility are pretty limp -- and how exactly does mobility synergize with fire damage anyway?

    That's why the rush maneuvers Garryl did for that discipline are good, because they tie those two themes together (you move and as you move you strip people of fire resistance). But I'm still left wondering what a Desert Wind specialist's role is.

    Let's make Desert Wind be a sort of 4e style controller. Fire effects provide area damage, wind effects provide battlefield control (blowing people apart, creating wind barriers, etc) and of course these two things can combine. And the mobility helps you be where you need to be on the battlefield to do this, since most of these effects are melee triggered.
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    Ugh. I typed up the class and lost it. That took me most of the day. *Sigh*

    I'll try again soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    Cool, look forward to seeing it. Maybe do it as a soulknife overhaul, since I'm doing a soulborn overhaul, so those will fit together in terms of both providing intersystem synergy. Alternately you could do it as an initiator-psionic gish PRC.

    I think that a base class is actually a better idea, because a prc would be a bit too front loaded (PP, maneuvers, special blade powers depending on disciplines, probably bonus feats, some psionic/initiation synergy...there are a lot of things going on there.)

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    Fortunately it was easy to locate the fonts they used in the books. Trying to figure out the formatting...it looks like the books may not even have used textboxes which would certainly lighten the workload. Double column 12pt celestia antiqua fits about 900 words per page of full text, which is good but it will be significantly less due to headers, pictures and maneuver formatting. So yes the pagecount is going to be pretty high but we knew that. A little trimming may be necessary to prevent it from being hellishly unwieldy. But as long as it's visually broken up, in contrast to stuff like Dicefreaks' Gates of Hell, it's not a huge problem.

    I admit it's kind of charming to see some of this stuff in semi-official looking fonts though.
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    In order to create the martial bladeforms (specialized disciplines of the battlemind) I started listing all disciplines, and their associated abilities, power, tactics...and Im not sure about everything, so I'd be glad if you could help me fill the blank things.


    White raven - Charisma, leadership, charges, tactics
    Shadow hand - sneaking, teleportation, shadows
    Diamond mind - mental focus, precise strikes with lots of damage, something else?
    Setting sun - battlefield control through forced movement, using the enemy's power against him
    Desert wind - high mobility, fire and blasting effects
    Stone dragon - Sturdiness, battlefield control, Unbreakable object/unstoppable force theme
    Devoted spirit - self buff, heals, resiliency, something more?
    Iron heart - Swordsmanship, I guess...? Really need help on that one
    Tiger claw - multi attacking, feral strikes - Sacrificing defense for offense


    Disclaimer: all abilities will have much cooler names in the next version, this is just a draft

    The abilities I was thinking of giving them -

    Base chassis/progression is maneuvers and PP progression, no powers (but see below). I consider giving them Discplines/maneuvers in a similar manner to the ardent's mantles, but not sure yet.

    3/4 BaB, good will and perhaps ref saves

    Martial bladeform - you choose a discipline in the beginning, and it gives you the focus for the rest of the class. You gain a blade that is shaped like one of the discipline's weapons.

    Throughout the levels, you gain -

    Discipline manifestation, a set of passive abilities related to your discpline that are active for as long as you have psionic focus, and are in a stance from your chosen discipline
    Granted powers - a small amount of psionic powers related to the discpline's "theme" that you may prepare and use like martial maneuvers.
    Augmentation - you may use PP to augment a maneuver. You can either give it a "general augmentation" (Boost attack/damage/DC/whatever) or a "Specialized augmentation" which gives the maneuver a boost related to the discpline you are specialized in)
    Battlemind superiority - the capstone, not sure what to do with that, probably some form of a "psionic super stance"


    In addition to these main abilities, I plan on the following support abilities:

    Battleburn - a limited amount of times per encounter, you may "waste" a prepared maneuver and gain a number of temporary PP equal to the maneuver's level.

    Bonus feats - not sure if needed, but if Ill need to fill levels they are a good way to do so.

    Recovery mechanic - something related to expanding psionic focus, perhaps also releasing a burst of discipline related energy/effect in the process.




    What do you guys think? I'd really appreciate any feedback and/or help with the discpline themes/tactics list

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heavenblade View Post
    In order to create the martial bladeforms (specialized disciplines of the battlemind) I started listing all disciplines, and their associated abilities, power, tactics...and Im not sure about everything, so I'd be glad if you could help me fill the blank things.


    White raven - Charisma, leadership, charges, tactics
    Shadow hand - sneaking, teleportation, shadows
    Diamond mind - mental focus, precise strikes with lots of damage, something else?
    Setting sun - battlefield control through forced movement, using the enemy's power against him
    Desert wind - high mobility, fire and blasting effects
    Stone dragon - Sturdiness, battlefield control, Unbreakable object/unstoppable force theme
    Devoted spirit - self buff, heals, resiliency, something more?
    Iron heart - Swordsmanship, I guess...? Really need help on that one
    Tiger claw - multi attacking, feral strikes - Sacrificing defense for offense
    Seems right. Notes:


    Desert Wind - battlefield control (wind), area damage (fire), mobility. The wind and fire effects should be things that emit from you or are triggered from where you are, so that it's important to have mobility to get to the right place.

    Devoted Spirit - Remember this is the crusader tank discipline, with aggro stuff like iron guard's glare and thicket of blades. It should have more of that stuff.

    Diamond Mind - In BO9S this was just kind of the "all the good stuff" discipline, let's focus it on three things: counters, strikes requiring Concentration checks, and finally, forms of tactical control that have yourself at the center, rather than being about affecting enemies primarily. For example, I added a "Mind as Prism" counter that lets you redirect mind-affecting spells or be used as a prism to use certain touch spells at range.

    Iron Heart - just cool warblade shenanigans.

    Tiger Claw - let's focus more on the general "primal, heedless, bestial rage" theme than on TWF (not that TWF support is bad). A crazy 2h barbarian should be able to specialize in this disc just as well as a twf ranger.

    White Raven - should be better the more martials are in your party. Would be nice to add something specifically to help archers too (though not a stance, that's too big of an investment, though it might be good to have a "Lead from Behind" stance for people who are themselves archers or support. I'll do that one.

    Stone Dragon vs Devoted Spirit - I'd like these to have alternate tanking styles, with SD trying to physically interpose themselves between allies and enemies and pushing/bashing enemies away -- active tanking -- while DS has a more passive tanking that penalizes opponents for trying to attack anyone but them or get through (as with iron guard's glare and thicket of blades), with their active tanking portion being about self-heals.
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    Formatting maneuvers:



    TOB uses the bottom arrangement, actually with an even heavier indent, but I feel like the lowercase might be easier on the eyes. Opinions?
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    TOB uses the bottom arrangement, actually with an even heavier indent, but I feel like the lowercase might be easier on the eyes. Opinions?
    both looks good but bolding the lover one in title may help
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    So, In short

    DW - controller-esque, with fire and wind centred on self+ mobility
    Devoted spirit - aggro/passive tanking and some divine flavor
    Diamond mind - concentration, counters, centered on self, "smart discipline"
    Tiger claw - wild and careless fighting
    Stone dragon - active tanking, lots of bullrushing/tripping, making yourself the barrier


    I'd like some more explnation of iron heart since I can't think of a unifying mechanichal theme

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    Just general "weaponmaster" stuff. It's also the discipline where you'd have flat, no questions asked pluses to hit, damage, and AC. Diamond is fast and alert, Stone is bashy, Tiger is crazy, and Iron is just like generic ultimate sword skill. Cool combat and weapon stunts.

    I like the ability name battleburn by the way. Sounds cool yet easy to use in play.
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    Ok

    I'd try to create a list of psionic powers related to each discipline (probably 5 of levels 1-5) that would be greanted at an appropriate times to the Battlemind, perhaps with a choice of two powers each time.
    Ill post the table here when it's complete, along with some other interesting stuff.


    Im also now considering the augmentation ability to have two sides - either to augment a power with a "martial" bonus, or a maneuver with a "psionic" one

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    Im also now considering the augmentation ability to have two sides - either to augment a power with a "martial" bonus, or a maneuver with a "psionic" one
    The TOB variant soulborn, which I'm probably posting later today, is all about empowering maneuvers with essentia, so for the sake of distinction I would leave that to incarnum -- especially because essentia and maneuvers synchronize better because they aren't based on per-day mechanics the way psionic classes are.

    Plus you already have battleburn as a way to spend ppoints in combat. So I recommend cutting the augmentation part and just focusing on having the augmentation effects of your new psipowers be useful for an initiator.
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    If you think I should focus more on power usage, than I might give them actual psionic progression?

    Otherwise, it might be too limited...

    Edit-like, currently, they get like 5 powers or something...but Im afraid more than that is game breaking with the maneuvers

    Edit 2- actually the plan was to waste maneuvers in order to gain PP, but I guess I could revise it into something else (perhaps make them waste PP for the active part of the manifestation)
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    I just don't think the all-day, as-much-as-you-want maneuver system harmonizes particularly well with a daily store of power points, if we're talking about using pp to empower maneuvers. Spending maneuvers to gain power points, on the other hand, is a great system because it increases compatibility between these two modes, but of course has a lot of potential to be OP especially with multiclassing so you would need to pull it off right.

    Another possibility is getting pp by hitting an enemy with a strike or something.


    Have you looked at this psionic TOB discipline?
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    Yeah, I saw the discipline.

    Point is, that if we focus so much on the power point side, and then only give them little amount of powers...


    I think I'll make the transition back into a prc. Give up PP, and focus on blade progression, psi-focus mechanics, and a few powers that can be prepared as maneuvers

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    Either way is fine. A PRC is less work I'm sure than drawing up a bunch of new powers. If PRC, I would throw in a thing of it advancing your mind blade for soulknives.
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    Alright, moment of truth:

    To parchment background or not to parchment background?

    (This isn't a real page just an example.)






    There is one problem this raises: A lot of the images I'd like to use are big square blocks, which look absolutely hideous if placed against a naturalistic background like this.
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    This is another "I'm not dead yet!" post. I am PLANNING to send a PM asking for some of my old threads to be unlocked so I can repost them with fixed tables and such. [EDIT^2]Reposted but tables not fixed. (made one visible where it wasn't before)[/EDIT^2] This would include Falling Anvil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elves View Post
    Blogposting:

    A problem I've realized while doing the new maneuvers for the original 9 disciplines is: Desert Wind doesn't really have a defined combat style, other than "I deal fire damage". It makes some gestures at mobility, but other than that one great counter all its attempts at mobility are pretty limp -- and how exactly does mobility synergize with fire damage anyway?

    That's why the rush maneuvers Garryl did for that discipline are good, because they tie those two themes together (you move and as you move you strip people of fire resistance). But I'm still left wondering what a Desert Wind specialist's role is.

    Let's make Desert Wind be a sort of 4e style controller. Fire effects provide area damage, wind effects provide battlefield control (blowing people apart, creating wind barriers, etc) and of course these two things can combine. And the mobility helps you be where you need to be on the battlefield to do this, since most of these effects are melee triggered.
    Don't know if Desert Wind has "Wind" as a theme in ToB, but you could add it I think. My initial gut reaction to BFC was "sounds off-theme", and with the flames from say, Salamander's Charge not persisting, I can't see it having that theme, but changing that would be easy I guess? I almost feel like Stone Dragon emulating Wall of Stone would be more thematic (defense) than Desert Wind emulating Wall of Fire.
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    Ugh. I typed up the class and lost it. That took me most of the day. *Sigh*

    I'll try again soon.
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    Fortunately it was easy to locate the fonts they used in the books. Trying to figure out the formatting...it looks like the books may not even have used textboxes which would certainly lighten the workload. Double column 12pt celestia antiqua fits about 900 words per page of full text, which is good but it will be significantly less due to headers, pictures and maneuver formatting. So yes the pagecount is going to be pretty high but we knew that. A little trimming may be necessary to prevent it from being hellishly unwieldy. But as long as it's visually broken up, in contrast to stuff like Dicefreaks' Gates of Hell, it's not a huge problem.

    I admit it's kind of charming to see some of this stuff in semi-official looking fonts though.
    Are you thinking of physically printing this?

    If so, I need to PM you about a charity project I am working on an could use anything you learn about getting a good print (especially in the area of durability).

    If not, remember that electrons are basically free, where-as paper, binding, and full-color ink cost money.

    EDIT:
    1.) Rest of the AoE Stone Dragon "charge up for ambush etc" maneuvers posted. It has been long enough since I wrote them and I posted them so quickly (so as not to get bitten by procrastination again) that I don't know if they are properly edited. A double-check would be especially useful.

    2.) Got Falling Anvil thread unlocked (along with some other threads not related to this project). Hopefully I will get that copy-pasted over to a new thread fairly quickly. [EDIT^2] Copy Paste and making visible a broken version of a small, but very important table done[/EDIT^2] Once the copy-over of all the threads is done, I will make editing Falling Anvil the priority among them.

    Does anyone happen to remember if there were any other locked threads that ARE relevant to this project that I wanted to copy over to fix tables and such?
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    Are you thinking of physically printing this?
    Oh, god no. No, the length concern is just about where a variety bag of contents becomes a big mush. We're a little bit over the line right now but not so much.

    Does anyone happen to remember if there were any other locked threads that ARE relevant to this project that I wanted to copy over to fix tables and such?
    Not that I know. I'd lean towards posting things anew anyway.

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    Any feelings on parchment background texture vs plain white background?

    The example above with how the different elements look isn't final by any means, it could be made to look better (better table color, thicker top text), and that awkward composition wouldn't be used. Here's how I see the con vs pro:

    - Con: Could look amateurish/sloppy/cluttered/harder to read; limits the color palette; strongly restricts the kinds of illustrations that can be used, and many others will need crop jobs; more work in general.

    - Pro: could look nicer/feel more real.


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    Any feelings on parchment background texture vs plain white background?
    IMHO:
    Assuming it is easy enough to change later and cropping is also not hard: Go with parchment for now.
    If hard to change, play it safe and go with plain white.

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    If you're still accepting homebrew for this, I have a class that may fit called the Ascetic. Its essentially a hybrid caster/initiator base class that was meant to be a more playable Healer.
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    Could be good since it adds an initiator with a new party role. A while ago I posted this pacifist discipline -- could it be a good fit? Changes are certainly possible. (And probably req'd for balance in any case, never edited it.)
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