OOTS #1158 - The Discussion Thread

[Cirin]

Between Purple Worm, Nightcrawler, and Neothelid it's amusing how many "Giant, extremely dangerous, monstrous worm" monsters there are.

Kinda like how there's so many different ways of creating fog through the magic system :-)

. . .as we sit here wondering which one it was. My first thought was Neothelid, but yeah, Nightcrawler seems more likely.

[jwhouk]

"As the Worm Turns Undead."

[Sm3gl]

Who's going to get swallowed?
I vote Belkar.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Well, this also seems like a fun challenge for the Order. Thrym’s reaction was perfect. I agree with Hel: I hate to see a good pun opportunity go to waste. At least like “let’s see the Order wriggle their way out of this one”.

[Reboot]

Hel, you did a premature villain gloat. You have no villanous high ground to cast stones from.

[Rogar Demonblud]

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3e_SRD...,_Nightcrawler

Are these the relevant statistics, or was there a shift from 3.0 to 3.5 on them?

On paper, this would probably wreck the entire Order, but teamwork etc.

Numbers are certainly different.

Those are some serious differences. The first's DR is easily bypassed, since everyone in the Order has a +5 weapon except V, who also gets screwed by the no spells below 7th work clause. The second requires silver and magic, but no longer has the absurd levels of elemental resistances and the SR stands at 31. HP-wise the first is also an easier proposition.

This may be V's fight to shine, as everyone else is pretty much nerfed.

[Potatamoto]

My satisfaction would be physically palpable if this ended with Dvalin saying "Yeah, no, obviously votes cast by vampiric thralls don't count."

[Rogar Demonblud]

Why do people keep saying they want Rich to go "LOL, of course nothing the heroes do mattered!"?

[Peelee]

My satisfaction would be physically palpable if this ended with Dvalin saying "Yeah, no, obviously votes cast by vampiric thralls don't count."

I, too, love reading The Order of Random Other People Solving Problems.

[SlashDash]

So the orange barrier dispells?

I guess Bloodfest is about to wreck havoc.

[Peelee]

So the orange barrier dispells?

I guess Bloodfest is about to wreck havoc.

Shame Bloodfeast isn't a dwarf and can't pass through it.

[zimmerwald1915]

As far as I can tell, definitely the latter.

Put me down for Nice Guy too. He positively thrums with disingenuousness.

[Leftour]

Shame Bloodfeast isn't a dwarf and can't pass through it.

You could say that he(?) is a dwarf-sized T-Rex att his current state. Does that count? X-D

[oppyu]

Put me down for Nice Guy too. He positively thrums with disingenuousness.

Yup, Nice Guy. Lower case nice guys don't need to broadcast what they're doing and how it reflects what a nice guy they are, especially while pursuing a romantic interest who has made her contempt and disinterest abundantly clear.

[Ruck]

Thrym deserves a better girlfriend than Hel, really.

Dunno, I'm not sure whether he's a nice guy or a Nice Guy.

He certainly is an ice guy.
For reals, though, I read him as genuine because it’s funnier.

As far as I can tell, definitely the latter.

I'm in agreement with Rrmcklin; I think everything we've seen of Thrym is of the "act nice in hopes of worming your way into sex" type of Nice Guy. Pun absolutely intended.

[Peelee]

Put me down for Nice Guy too. He positively thrums with disingenuousness.

Thrums? Thrym?

[zimmerwald1915]

Thrums? Thrym?

That was the pun I was going for, yes.

The sad part is, that's about the best I can do

[Anarion]

I desperately want Hel to facepalm and say "it is so hard to find good help these days" very soon.

[Peelee]

That was the pun I was going for, yes.

The sad part is, that's about the best I can do

Look on the bright side, that means you crank out a lot less terrible ones than others! Nothing wrong with marching to the beat of your own thrummer.

[Ramza00]

If this is a Nightcrawler than a disentigrate at 15 CL will do 30d6 aka 105 damage and take out half of the monster's hit points. The fort save is horrible, but the monster does have spell resistance of 31 so that may be a problem with bad rolls. V loves preparing disintegrate.

The 3 a day quicken cone of cone (25 caster level but caps at 15d6) will be a problem though for the party. 60 foot cone is a lot of squares and the monster can do this plus other effects.

[Jasdoif]

That was the pun I was going for, yes.

The sad part is, that's about the best I can do

Don't talk about Thrym, and you won't distract the worm?

[zimmerwald1915]

Those are some serious differences. The first's DR is easily bypassed, since everyone in the Order has a +5 weapon except V, who also gets screwed by the no spells below 7th work clause. The second requires silver and magic, but no longer has the absurd levels of elemental resistances and the SR stands at 31. HP-wise the first is also an easier proposition.

This may be V's fight to shine, as everyone else is pretty much nerfed.

SR 31 is still hard for Vaarsuvius to beat. Her caster level stands at 17, which means she'd need to roll a 14 or better to beat SR 31.

However, the nightcrawler is almost purely a melee monster, and as a Gargantuan creature, fits in a forcecage. Which is an SR: no spell.

It would still be able to summon shadows to inconvenience the Order, but Durkon and Hilgya (assuming she tags along) could turn them easily enough.

EDIT: ah, wait, it has SLAs, doesn't it? Mass hold monster could be a problem.

[Peelee]

Don't talk about Thrym, and you won't distract the worm?

If only there were a dragon, then you could talk about a wyrm.

[Jasdoif]

If only there were a dragon, then you could talk about a wyrm.

You don't seem distracted.

[ziratha]

Random theory: Belkar will save the day while falling afoul of the "turn to stone" countermeasure. Further, he will do so in such a way that will prevent the council from reaching a consensus. This will result in the dwarven council never completing, and thus prevent belkar from ever being unstoned. Finally, the godsmoots rules (being poorly written and fairly archaic) will have never considered the possibility of the deciding vote never being cast, and be permanently stalled.

[Riftwolf]

In case anyone is wondering, the inscription above the entry reads:

Spoiler: runic transliteration

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ONLY DWARVES MAY PASS

I did wonder; thanks!
I'm guessing the Exarch had Gate spells in case of a Yes vote.

[Peelee]

You don't seem distracted.

Nah, just tired. I'm gonna say low potassium.

[gatemansgc]

Random theory: Belkar will save the day while falling afoul of the "turn to stone" countermeasure. Further, he will do so in such a way that will prevent the council from reaching a consensus. This will result in the dwarven council never completing, and thus prevent belkar from ever being unstoned. Finally, the godsmoots rules (being poorly written and fairly archaic) will have never considered the possibility of the deciding vote never being cast, and be permanently stalled.

i'd still put my money on "trying to stab the snarl" being belkar's undoing.

[Jasdoif]

SR 31 is still hard for Vaarsuvius to beat. Her caster level stands at 17, which means she'd need to roll a 14 or better to beat SR 31.

However, the nightcrawler is almost purely a melee monster, and as a Gargantuan creature, fits in a forcecage. Which is an SR: no spell.

It would still be able to summon shadows to inconvenience the Order, but Durkon and Hilgya (assuming she tags along) could turn them easily enough.

EDIT: ah, wait, it has SLAs, doesn't it? Mass hold monster could be a problem.

It's too big for a solid forcecage, and has unholy blight at will; even while using its quickened cones of cold for the day, being stuck in a barred forcecage might limit it to trying...Okay, noting this down for "ways to show whether or not Hilgya/Belkar are still Evil".

[faustin]

I know Hel is mean to be a big threat in the context of the comic, but it´s impossible for me to take her seriously with the whole "angry, moody teen in her gothic rebellious phase playing villain to show off daddy".
Hel is basically an overpowered Nale 2.0.