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Thread: The Dark One or Redcloak?
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2019-03-22, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-22, 05:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
I don’t think we can simplify the options down into a few options, there’s always lots of things that are possible. For example, RC could snap and destroy the final gate, but the world in the rift could mean the world doesn’t instantly become undone. With the green quiddity thing I think it’s most likely to occur only if the characters are the ones who retrieve green from the rift world. RC being involved with that would make a lot of sense since he almost certainly has the best knowledge (religion) of the characters we’ve seen.
I think some sort of Xykon Redcloak confrontation is inevitable though. And RC snapping or having some sort of temporary breakdown is pretty likely because of how all his denial
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2019-03-22, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
How much do you want to bet that RC confronting the Order outside of the Monster Hollow part leads to him accidentally finding the gate. It could be some sort of a teleport spell gone awry or rashly using Earthquake or stone shape or something, but it would be interesting. Not the best option, but appropriate.
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2019-03-22, 07:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-22, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
Or The Snarl made some people, but lashes out because, even as smart as it's gotten, it's still a paranoid little creature, and regards anyone getting too close to its children as a threat to be purged? Justa thought. Like a guard dog that is perfectly nice towards its owners, but can and will bite your arm off if you seem like a threat, and is not very good at identifying threats.
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2019-03-22, 09:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
It knows what’s a threat
It just doesn’t know what’s’nt a threat
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2019-03-23, 09:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
Agreed.
I'm not sure where the astral fortress fits into all of this, though. A quest to the astral fortress dot not seem very interesting to me, as it is. That said, the purpose of it could simply be to display Xykon's belief that he can safely rejuvenate, and thus able to risk destruction, thus allowing the party/RC to dispose of him once and for all, thanks to the combination of a poor gamble + RC's betrayal.
As for the gate, corrupting it takes weeks, so it's possible they find it before the party finds them.Attention LotR fans
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2019-03-25, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
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2019-03-26, 01:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
Why RC? He knows where the fortress is--he travelled there with Xykon when they left Azure City, before they went to Girard's pyramid. Don't see why he'd have any interest in "nullifying" it, especially since he knows that the phylactery Xykon stored there is not the real one.
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2019-03-26, 03:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
I read it as saying that RC having swapped out the phylactery is exactly what nullifies the fortress.
The Order don't know about the swap yet so the fortress can still be presented as threat to them in the future, but it'll become completely irrelevant the moment they catch on to Redcloak's trick.
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2019-03-26, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
Aslo the Astral Fortress explains why Xykon couldn't keep an eye on what was going on under his nose.
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2019-03-27, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
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2019-03-27, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
It's possible that there could be some shenanigans that lead the order to the fortress. If Xykon gets destroyed Redcloak could tell the order that Xykon made an astral fortress for his phylactery, omit the fact that he has the real one, and then try to destroy Xykon and everything else by executing plan B while the order is occupied. I doubt that something like that would happen and if it did some seriously weird stuff like using the planet in the rift as a backup world would have to end up occurring.
Yeah it's unlikely the fortress will come up but anything's possible.
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2019-04-18, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-18, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
He already knows the Snarl could potentially destroy all goblinkind--he mentions it as a possibility in Start of Darkness. Thing is, as far as he's concerned that's still a win, because the Dark One will be directly involved in creating the new world and will thus thrash out a better deal for goblinoids.
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2019-04-18, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Dark One or Redcloak?
Yea, they key info he's oblivious to is the fact that TDO wouldn't survive to carve out a better deal for them in the next world.
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Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.