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    I don’t think we can simplify the options down into a few options, there’s always lots of things that are possible. For example, RC could snap and destroy the final gate, but the world in the rift could mean the world doesn’t instantly become undone. With the green quiddity thing I think it’s most likely to occur only if the characters are the ones who retrieve green from the rift world. RC being involved with that would make a lot of sense since he almost certainly has the best knowledge (religion) of the characters we’ve seen.

    I think some sort of Xykon Redcloak confrontation is inevitable though. And RC snapping or having some sort of temporary breakdown is pretty likely because of how all his denial

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    I don’t think we can simplify the options down into a few options, there’s always lots of things that are possible. For example, RC could snap and destroy the final gate, but the world in the rift could mean the world doesn’t instantly become undone. With the green quiddity thing I think it’s most likely to occur only if the characters are the ones who retrieve green from the rift world. RC being involved with that would make a lot of sense since he almost certainly has the best knowledge (religion) of the characters we’ve seen.

    I think some sort of Xykon Redcloak confrontation is inevitable though. And RC snapping or having some sort of temporary breakdown is pretty likely because of how all his denial
    How much do you want to bet that RC confronting the Order outside of the Monster Hollow part leads to him accidentally finding the gate. It could be some sort of a teleport spell gone awry or rashly using Earthquake or stone shape or something, but it would be interesting. Not the best option, but appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    How much do you want to bet that RC confronting the Order outside of the Monster Hollow part leads to him accidentally finding the gate. It could be some sort of a teleport spell gone awry or rashly using Earthquake or stone shape or something, but it would be interesting. Not the best option, but appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    You never know, the Snarl could have made some people.

    Or maybe whoever is there is very good at being someplace else than the Snarl.
    Or The Snarl made some people, but lashes out because, even as smart as it's gotten, it's still a paranoid little creature, and regards anyone getting too close to its children as a threat to be purged? Justa thought. Like a guard dog that is perfectly nice towards its owners, but can and will bite your arm off if you seem like a threat, and is not very good at identifying threats.

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    It knows what’s a threat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Even if he hadn't, I'd be somewhat unhappy if the villain we've been following for the entire story turned out to not be the final boss.
    Agreed.

    I'm not sure where the astral fortress fits into all of this, though. A quest to the astral fortress dot not seem very interesting to me, as it is. That said, the purpose of it could simply be to display Xykon's belief that he can safely rejuvenate, and thus able to risk destruction, thus allowing the party/RC to dispose of him once and for all, thanks to the combination of a poor gamble + RC's betrayal.

    As for the gate, corrupting it takes weeks, so it's possible they find it before the party finds them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goblin_Priest View Post
    Agreed.

    I'm not sure where the astral fortress fits into all of this, though. A quest to the astral fortress dot not seem very interesting to me, as it is. That said, the purpose of it could simply be to display Xykon's belief that he can safely rejuvenate, and thus able to risk destruction, thus allowing the party/RC to dispose of him once and for all, thanks to the combination of a poor gamble + RC's betrayal.

    As for the gate, corrupting it takes weeks, so it's possible they find it before the party finds them.
    Astral Fortress seems like a plot device that exists solely so that RC can completely nullify it.

    It feels like they won't find the gate until just before or after the Order arrives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    Astral Fortress seems like a plot device that exists solely so that RC can completely nullify it.
    Why RC? He knows where the fortress is--he travelled there with Xykon when they left Azure City, before they went to Girard's pyramid. Don't see why he'd have any interest in "nullifying" it, especially since he knows that the phylactery Xykon stored there is not the real one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Why RC? He knows where the fortress is--he travelled there with Xykon when they left Azure City, before they went to Girard's pyramid. Don't see why he'd have any interest in "nullifying" it, especially since he knows that the phylactery Xykon stored there is not the real one.
    I read it as saying that RC having swapped out the phylactery is exactly what nullifies the fortress.

    The Order don't know about the swap yet so the fortress can still be presented as threat to them in the future, but it'll become completely irrelevant the moment they catch on to Redcloak's trick.

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    Aslo the Astral Fortress explains why Xykon couldn't keep an eye on what was going on under his nose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Dandelion View Post
    I read it as saying that RC having swapped out the phylactery is exactly what nullifies the fortress.
    Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeety much. It's impressive, but I doubt it actually has much value to the plot.
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    It's possible that there could be some shenanigans that lead the order to the fortress. If Xykon gets destroyed Redcloak could tell the order that Xykon made an astral fortress for his phylactery, omit the fact that he has the real one, and then try to destroy Xykon and everything else by executing plan B while the order is occupied. I doubt that something like that would happen and if it did some seriously weird stuff like using the planet in the rift as a backup world would have to end up occurring.

    Yeah it's unlikely the fortress will come up but anything's possible.

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    I think RC would be convince once e realizes that the snarl would destroy all goblinkind AND possibly even the dark one himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard_Lizard View Post
    I think RC would be convince once e realizes that the snarl would destroy all goblinkind AND possibly even the dark one himself.
    He already knows the Snarl could potentially destroy all goblinkind--he mentions it as a possibility in Start of Darkness. Thing is, as far as he's concerned that's still a win, because the Dark One will be directly involved in creating the new world and will thus thrash out a better deal for goblinoids.

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    Yea, they key info he's oblivious to is the fact that TDO wouldn't survive to carve out a better deal for them in the next world.
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