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2019-03-24, 01:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
It's the blue barrier within which casting is prohibited. In the space between the orange and blue barriers, anybody who was able to enter through the orange barrier can cast spells (which was the loophole that the Exarch pointed out as possibly being left in there so that the builders could influence things themselves). It is implied but not stated that standing in the intermediate zone and casting spells upon anything that is inside the blue zone is not permitted. It is DEFINITELY stated that spells can not be cast from within the blue zone.
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2019-03-24, 04:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
'Utślie'n aurė! Aiya Eldaliė ar Atanatįri, utślie'n aurė! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómė!" The night is passing!"
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2019-03-24, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Im on record saying that I believe the middle chamber is a compromise between those that feared attack from outsiders and those expecting it from fellow council members. The bodyguard are protected from non-dwarf attack but retain the ability to magically assist if it becomes necessary.
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2019-03-24, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-24, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-24, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Every one gets turned to stone who violates dwarven law inside the blue barrier.
"But they do explicitely forbid attacking or using any spell or supernatural ability on any creature during a council member"
the orange Barrier prevents non dwarves from entering the middle chamber.
So summoning any kind of creature outside of the blue barrier should be fine.
Heck even inside the blue barrier should be covered.
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2019-03-24, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Maybe. We don't know if summoning in a council chamber is a violation of dwarven law. Do it in the atrium and you don't have to look it up in the rulebook.
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2019-03-25, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-03-25, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Thinking here... Haley complains about the Invisibility Purge, but she should be thankfull it was that, and not a (maybe Greater) Dispel Magic, since they are flying over that huge chasm...
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2019-03-25, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-25, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-03-25, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Or put another way, there's be a 35% chance of a spell remaining after the first round, a 12.25% chance the second round, a 4.2875% chance the third....
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2019-03-25, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
If the worm is spending all of its turns dispelling, then it's not actually doing anything useful to save itself.
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2019-03-25, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
While it can technically spam it every turn, it still takes a standard action to do so - "at will" does not make the spell in question quickened. Nor can it be used to counterspell.
In this case the vampire just made an emotional decision, but the point remains spamming it every turn is not the best decision.
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2019-03-25, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-25, 09:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2019-03-25, 10:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Invisibility Purge from a friend to help out allies/get the foe to reapply it, spam Dispel and take evasive actions until they are close enough to be om-nom-nomed or fall down into the pit. If they get through, try to keep them in melee while they slowly fall prey to your many other techniques. Grabbing foes and jumping into the pit because you can't properly die is a fun tactic, but odds are that will go against the "protect the area" bit. In this case I guess it could try grabbing a dispelled Haley, leaning over the edge of the pit and hurling her down. Of course, that leaves it open to being attacked by V so it would need V incapacitated first.
The point stands that due to the presence of a large pit, Greater Dispel and flailing about trying to dodge attacks are probably its best abilities. I mean, what else would it do until then? Once everyone is on the ground though, Greater Dispel will not be as useful unless your attacks are doing nothing because of enemy buffs.
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2019-03-26, 06:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Hmmm. A lot of problems that having access to Dismissal, Greater Dispel Magic, and/or the general ability to blow holes through walls would be very, very helpful for solving. How unfortunate that there is no friendly high level dwarven cleric with an artifact level weapon that might have additional bonus powers available to help.
Oh, wait. . . :-)Sudden thought after watching an old "Lois and Clark" episode: Lane Davies aka Tempus is probably the best possible choice to portray an animated or live action Xykon if either of those ever becomes reality--he was born in 1950 and Tempus' personality is a close match for pre-lich Xykon IMO. Just my two cents.
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2019-03-26, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
To further play on someone else's theory, the enemies that are vulnerable to sunlight are really stacking up at this local, the place that the elder complained about for being right adjacent to the surface. If only someone had the means to do a little destruction of the ceiling, things could swing very badly for the Exarch. How unfortunate there is no friendly spellcaster who might have had a chance to prepare Earthquake or with an artifact level weapon that might have additional bonus powers available to help.
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2019-03-26, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
'Utślie'n aurė! Aiya Eldaliė ar Atanatįri, utślie'n aurė! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómė!" The night is passing!"
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2019-03-26, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-03-26, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
so - and this is a bit silly, if they passed a law against vampires being inside the temple, would that not mean all of them just broke the law? They could just make laws which completely protect those inside the chamber. Just being possessed, or not of sound mind, that could be illegal.
But then are undead things which can be turned to stone? They are immune to effects which require fort saves, like flesh to stone, (or a cockatrice), and googling this I see a lot of folks concluding its a DM ruling. Could just imagine actual rules lawyers coming in to adjudicate what happens during this combat. ( of course DMs and Thor or whoever, could set up whatever rules they wish for this )
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2019-03-26, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Well, Roy did say that he considered the most rules-lawyerish way the vote could go, so Giant could be obliging him...
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2019-03-26, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
The vampires aren't going inside the place that turns you to stone if you break the law, or at least haven't yet. And even if they did, assuming they hadn't thought ahead of time to put those laws in the books (which is likely as laws like that usually only happen after they're called for), the vampires already control a majority inside the chamber so no law is likely to be passed until that problem is resolved.
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2019-03-26, 10:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
The Exaaargh at least planned to enter the council chamber with the curly-haired former priestess of Thor, before his monster alerted him to two Order members.
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2019-03-26, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
The impression I got is that they intend to enter the chamber and then use completely normal, non-supernatural verbal instructions to tell their pawns what to do (their pawns having already been instructed to obey them beforehand). They'd only be breaking a law if an anti-vampire law exists in the first place, which is unlikely if the idea of vampire dwarfs occurred to a legislator at all, which I doubt, they probably figured that they were still basically the same dwarfish person and thus that they should be allowed inside in principle, as per the general lack of understanding of how vampires work.
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2019-03-26, 10:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Does the Church's holy creed tend toward syncretism between the Arcane and Divine? Because I can think of numerous liturgies for (sub-)terranean renewal, and a casting-as-17th-level acolyte to sing them. I doubt V has or prepared something like Rock to Mud, but I know s/he's got umpteenth Disintegrates on tap.
Provided s/he doesn't fall into the abyss next to the stone bridge, post Greater Dispel Magic, of course
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2019-03-26, 10:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-26, 10:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1159 - The Discussion Thread
Thought they were only immune to Fort-save effects if the effect didn't also work on a non-living thing? Which is why Disintegrate is so nifty for wrecking tough undead at a distance, and why it was so perplexing that, a wizard, who earlier in the strip loved spamming the spell with abandon, didn't use it in the big fight with Greg.
Fight turned out amazingly anyway...
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2019-03-26, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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