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    Also, a little confused. A nightcrawler is all-black, but this is obviously a purple worm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    The barred cage version would work - 20 ft cube - normal Gargantuan creatures have a 20 ft space.
    However, the barred cage does not block line of effect; the nightcrawler could summon, could dispel Haley's and Vaarsuvius's flight, could cast cones of cold all over the place, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    Considering the difficulty of dismissing it, I think it's more likely that the worm will be fought more normally.
    Besides, the Order is due for a victory in battle.
    There's no need for them to either fight or dismiss it. It's outside the orange barrier, so it can't enter the chamber anyway, unless it finds and goes through the same backdoor the Order is using.

    Well, there are a few other ways around that, but I expect to see the orange barrier bit the ex-Exarch in the butt,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canisius View Post
    Also, a little confused. A nightcrawler is all-black, but this is obviously a purple worm.
    Obviously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Well, for starters, it's purple. And a Purple Worm is smaller than a Nightcrawler. That desert worm is easily twice the size of this charming fellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dps View Post
    There's no need for them to either fight or dismiss it. It's outside the orange barrier, so it can't enter the chamber anyway, unless it finds and goes through the same backdoor the Order is using.
    The Order, with the exception of Durkon (and Hilgya, and Minrah), also can't pass through the orange barrier. And as long as the non-dwarf members remain outside the barrier, the nightcrawler will, as seems to be its preference, try to eat them. The Order would probably prefer to avoid that, and as such will probably fight the nightcrawler with the objectives of first, getting Durkon and co. through the barrier and second, securing their own personal safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canisius View Post
    Well, for starters, it's purple. And a Purple Worm is smaller than a Nightcrawler. That desert worm is easily twice the size of this charming fellow.
    The desert one is probably Advanced Purple Worm.

    This one has a very different head, so it probably isn't a templated version of the desert one.

    Its See Invisibility power, it being a minion of Hel, northern goddess of death and the undead, these suggest "nightcrawler".
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    The desert one is probably Advanced Purple Worm.

    This one has a very different head, so it probably isn't a templated version of the desert one.

    Its See Invisibility power, it being a minion of Hel, northern goddess of death and the undead, these suggest "nightcrawler".
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    Wait, it's purple?

    I always thought it was blue.

    moving along...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    The desert one is probably Advanced Purple Worm.

    This one has a very different head, so it probably isn't a templated version of the desert one.

    Its See Invisibility power, it being a minion of Hel, northern goddess of death and the undead, these suggest "nightcrawler".
    It also appears nearly identical to the nightcrawler in AMfES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    It also appears nearly identical to the nightcrawler in AMfES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    Nightcrawlers have See Invisibility as an at-will spell-like ability:

    http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/n...m#nightcrawler
    Indeed:

    Spell-Like Abilities: At will—contagion (DC 18), deeper darkness, detect magic, greater dispel magic, haste, invisibility, see invisibility, unholy blight (DC 18); 3/day—cone of cold (DC 19), confusion (DC 18), hold monster (DC 19); 1/day—finger of death (DC 21), mass hold monster (DC 23), plane shift (DC 21). Caster level 25th. The save DCs are Charisma-based.
    Though if he can plane shift once per day, why need to be called by a Gate to begin with? Couldn't Hel just tell him to go beforehand?

    Also, aside from a few spell-likes, that create sucks against flying enemies... it's got no ranged attacks, its abilities are all geared towards melee. Luckily it has greater dispel magic at will, though, if it truly is a nightcrawler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goblin_Priest View Post
    Though if he can plane shift once per day, why need to be called by a Gate to begin with? Couldn't Hel just tell him to go beforehand?
    Gate doesn't have the five-to-five-hundred mile inaccuracy that plane shift does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goblin_Priest View Post
    Though if he can plane shift once per day, why need to be called by a Gate to begin with? Couldn't Hel just tell him to go beforehand?
    She can't just send any monster she likes without a Cleric summoning them. If she could she'd send Garm with an army of Death Giants.
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    also, despite how long ago strip 1051 came out, it was less than a week from this one in comic time. i'm imagining that's what haley's second line was about, cause she went "pointy death incarnate" against the frost giants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenlund View Post
    what is the range on dispelling magic or greater dispelling? If Haley and V lose their flying spells, it looks like quite a drop at the moment.
    Not a problem. Dispel is as if the duration had ended, fly lets you down gently if the duration ends.

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    The giant death worm steals the show. Did not see that coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gatemansgc View Post
    also, despite how long ago strip 1051 came out, it was less than a week from this one in comic time. i'm imagining that's what haley's second line was about, cause she went "pointy death incarnate" against the frost giants.
    Yes, that's what I assumed.

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    Please please please let V somehow cast "irresistible dance" on the worm.

    I really really want to see him dance. I don't care about SR, or spell level, or that maybe he isn't a "living" creature, or whatever. Please, make him dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gusion View Post
    Please please please let V somehow cast "irresistible dance" on the worm.

    I really really want to see him dance. I don't care about SR, or spell level, or that maybe he isn't a "living" creature, or whatever. Please, make him dance.
    Well, you won't get it by a mind-affecting spell cast on an undead creature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenlund View Post
    what is the range on dispelling magic or greater dispelling? If Haley and V lose their flying spells, it looks like quite a drop at the moment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Lampert View Post
    Not a problem. Dispel is as if the duration had ended, fly lets you down gently if the duration ends.
    Doug is correct but on the off chance that you are still interested in the answer, the range of Dispel Magic (and it's greater version) is 100 ft +10 ft per caster level, which is a lot longer than the range of invisibility purge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Well, you won't get it by a mind-affecting spell cast on an undead creature.
    That falls under the "whatever" category. [Edit: it also falls under the "living creature" part which per RAW means no undead.] Don't be a killjoy.

    He seems to be plenty mindful to me, DM waves your objection away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gusion View Post
    That falls under the "whatever" category. [Edit: it also falls under the "living creature" part which per RAW means no undead.] Don't be a killjoy.

    He seems to be plenty mindful to me, DM waves your objection away.
    Surely the superior way to get it to dance would be for Elan to play a jaunty tune for it, rather than by waving the immunity it shares with all other intelligent undead by appealing to a trait it also shares with all other intelligent undead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canisius View Post
    Well, for starters, it's purple. And a Purple Worm is smaller than a Nightcrawler. That desert worm is easily twice the size of this charming fellow.
    Purple is often used as a substitute for black, because giving depth and dimension to black objects is more difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegetalss4 View Post
    Surely the superior way to get it to dance would be for Elan to play a jaunty tune for it, rather than by waving the immunity it shares with all other intelligent undead by appealing to a trait it also shares with all other intelligent undead.
    I'm perfectly happy with this solution too.

    I just think he'd be so.... *cute* dancing.

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    What did I miss?

    The orange barrier was supposed to keep out non-dwarves AND dispel active magic on anyone passing through.

    Did Durkon manage to slip in some false information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImpSpell View Post
    What did I miss?

    The orange barrier was supposed to keep out non-dwarves AND dispel active magic on anyone passing through.

    Did Durkon manage to slip in some false information?
    Haley and Vaarsuvius haven't passed through the orange barrier.

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    It is the mark of a professional to make sure they know what their client wants and any details on how to achieve it. Kudos to the worm on that regard.
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