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2019-03-20, 06:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
The description definitely seems self-serving. This is the same universe where the best-selling book on how to kill witches is written by a witch, and contains instructions that involve giving said witch a nice cup of tea before chucking her into a river in easily escapable bonds.
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2019-03-20, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
You're absolutely right, it *is* self-serving. Nanny Ogg is notorious for turning up just as wine is being bottled, or sausages are being made, or cakes being baked with an expectant expression and a large, empty sack.
On the other hand, there are also witches like Black Alice, Mrs.Earwig and Lilith Weatherwax. While likely to net herself a few freebies, Nanny Ogg's advice is also entirely appropriate in the face of her less sympathetic (and less merciful) 'sisters'.
That's how you know that Nanny Ogg is one of the Good witches; she gives plenty and so she's allowed to take a little. The Bad Witches are the ones who give a little and then feel entitled to take.Last edited by Wraith; 2019-03-20 at 07:32 AM.
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2019-03-20, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
Smeagol, still being a bad Hobbit, would be a warning tale to all Hobbits about doing things they oughtn't be doing like going on adventures. When Bilbo returns with his treasure he sells Bag End and moves to Laketown.
Snow White becomes Rapunzel.
Tony Stark becomes Iron Man via science experiment.
A comedy of errors.
Batman defeats Lex Luthor.
We are spared another dumb cartoon.
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2019-03-20, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
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2019-03-21, 04:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
Not so sure about this one. If the One Ring doesn't exist, then Gollum isn't alive* by the time Bilbo goes on his adventure. That means there's nobody from him to meet when he gets separated from the Dwarves, and also means that he has no way to sneak past the Goblins at the back door.
So the result is that Bilbo gets captured trying to escape and spends the rest of his days as a slave in the Goblin mines. The Dwarves mourn him, then carry on only to get eaten by spiders in Mirkwood. Gandalf whistles nonchalantly and hopes nobody noticed what happened to his adventuring party, and another story gets added to the legend of "Gandalf Stormcrow".
*He's only around due to the enhanced lifespan granted by the Ring, and good or bad he would have died of old age long before Bilbo was alive.
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2019-03-21, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
Chaos Theory and the Butterfly Effect demonstrate that we have no idea what would happen.
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2019-03-21, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
That is a good point, bilbo needed not just the ring, but a guide to the exit from where he fell. Im not saying its IMPOSSIBLE for him to have escaped without either of those, but its not very likely. On the other hand, the butterfly effect could have messed with things something fierce. With the final death of sauron all the way back in the time of isildur, the forces of good would have had a much easier time of things without his spirit constantly stirring up trouble. The alliance between elves and men would have remained intact most likely due to no betrayal by isildur. Who is to say what would have changed over all those centuries? For all we know, the goblins and such might have found themselves being wiped out or harried away to the furthest parts of the world. Maybe smaug never would have attacked the lonely mountain in the first place. Would gandalf and the other wizards even be on middle earth if sauron had been destroyed?
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2019-03-21, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
Back to the original question:
Maleficent offends Fauna, who stomps off in a huff. So she never gives Aurora the gift of song. Since Aurora cannot sing, she never become the heroine of a Disney movie, and we never learn the rest of her story.
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2019-05-02, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
Not "fire at". I never used the word "at"
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2019-05-03, 06:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
I'm gonna disagree. Those witches are Evil with a big E. Nanny Ogg is evil with a little e. Of all the non antagonistic witches she's routinley described as an abusive figure who plays power games with her family and has a tendency to muck things up. The fact that she's amusing to watch mostly stems from the way she pulls it off. If anyone would be consciously disenvited from a major social event it probably WOULD be Ogg.
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2019-05-03, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
I wouldn't call Mrs. Earwig any kind of evil, really. She's condescending, dismissive and arrogant, but not really more so than most other witches, just in different ways. And yes, she's generally an unpleasant person. But we don't really ever see her do anything evil.
Last edited by Eldan; 2019-05-03 at 07:02 AM.
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2019-05-03, 07:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
Although she's not exactly a pure hearted angel, Nanny Ogg does plenty of good:
-It's mentioned Nanny Ogg's the one always being called to help with new births and babies (she's not called Nanny for nothing).
-Although she rules her massive family with an iron fist, she rules it in a pretty efficient way making sure everybody gets along nicely and is doing something useful for everybody.
-She's also great at being the life of a party-or even a funeral, helping people remember the best bits of the departed one.
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2019-05-03, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
If I remember rightly, Black Alice was also described as "not bad, exactly, but so powerful that the difference stopped mattering" or something along those lines.
Nanny's not any kind of evil. She's got a lot of human flaws but her heart's in the right place and when it matters she does the right thing.Last edited by Aedilred; 2019-05-03 at 08:19 AM.
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2019-05-03, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What would have happened if the king and the queen had invited Maleficent?
She did a lot of things I'd call evil. Basically every fairy tale, from the descriptions. Including turning people into animals and roasting children alive.
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