Pokémon Thread XXIX: Sword, Shield, and Spoilers

[DeTess]

I'm not sure either, given that USM was basically SM copypaste with questionable "improvements". like 90% of the game was the same. the totem pokemon were different, the final bosses was different, you got some surfing game no one cared about. three actually new pokemon, five if your obsessed with getting mythical pokemon as I am, and a stupid wormhole minigame to get ultra beasts but none of that actually matters, because the entire journey is basically the same. none of these changes I've listed actually made the experience better, it just made me remember how much I liked SM. I'd actually recommend the original ones over the Ultra versions, because the ultra versions are just a cheapened shadow of the SM ones. complete with annoying robot people constantly annoying you every two minutes. like it was just obvious that no effort was put into it.

You're forgetting that there was some post-game content that wasn't in S/M thought. I've played both moon and ultra-sun, and I'm pretty sure the whole 'team rocket' stuff wasn't in there. Also, I think lussianne's portrayal was significantly different? I can't quite remember.

[Lord Raziere]

You're forgetting that there was some post-game content that wasn't in S/M thought. I've played both moon and ultra-sun, and I'm pretty sure the whole 'team rocket' stuff wasn't in there. Also, I think lussianne's portrayal was significantly different? I can't quite remember.

That is one of the aforementioned 10% that is changed and made worse. lusamine was defanged, and team rocket wasn't interesting enough for me to care. I fought them enough to get them out so I can use online plaza then had no idea where they screwed off to.

[Maryring]

So...

When do you think they'll start to sell Master Balls for real life cash?

[Lord Raziere]

So...

When do you think they'll start to sell Master Balls for real life cash?

about five years after any other company would've stopped, probably. nintendo is a turtle when it comes to such trends.

but it makes little difference, since anyone who knows the games enough will use quick or dusk balls instead and easily do without them. and the ultra ball method of capturing legendaries is something as old pokemon itself

[OracleofWuffing]

*Looks at his Nest Ball Arceus*

Ultra Balls... Right.

[Lord Raziere]

*Looks at his Nest Ball Arceus*

Ultra Balls... Right.

thats a mythical pokemon, not a legendary. which means you can only get that at giveaways. which means unless they gave one away in a nest ball, that shouldn't be legitimately obtainable, because the event to actually fight and catch Arceus in the original generation was never implemented for real.

also you know what I mean, it works with other balls, just not as well. because the method is to just throw pokeballs until one sticks regardless of how many of your pokemon go down or how many times you have to restart.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

thats a mythical pokemon, not a legendary. which means you can only get that at giveaways. which means unless they gave one away in a nest ball, that shouldn't be legitimately obtainable, because the event to actually fight and catch Arceus in the original generation was never implemented for real.

The Dream World Arceus could be caught in any ball.

[OracleofWuffing]

Well, yeah, but the one I have is as illegitimate as Lord Raziere said, I cheated in the Azure Flute event, battled, and caught it. But it's still a good chuckle for me.

[Lord Raziere]

okay so I might've heard the real reason why Game Freak is doing this from a SilphSpectre youtube video: basically, the success of Pokemon Go by Niantic has made Nintendo change its strategy to making more mobile phone pokemon games, and Game Freak has decided to diversify its portfolio because its no longer the sole company making pokemon games while not putting as much effort into them because of the short attention span of people thing. because Game freak is afraid that it will lose if it put too much eggs in one basket.

so. one more reason for me to hate Pokemon Go. and dislike mobile phone games in general.

[Bartmanhomer]

Is Pokemon even balanced anymore.

[tyckspoon]

Is Pokemon even balanced anymore.

No, but it never was, so that's not much of a change.

[Lord Raziere]

Is Pokemon even balanced anymore.

It never was balanced. Gen 1 was broken.

no amount of them cutting down pokemon will change that. I don't think they're honestly doing this for balance or digital storage reason, many games use the same number of animations for as many different characters while with better graphics, they just don't hire enough people to get this done correctly, so they're not planning on doing anything about it.

[deuterio12]

It never was balanced. Gen 1 was broken.

Yes it was, but they did an effort in the following games. Like Dark and Steel types were added to counter psychic dominance (and make fighting more useful). Bugs and ghosts got proper high-damage moves. Special was divided into special defense and special attack so one couldn't just Amnesia spam to ultimate power.

no amount of them cutting down pokemon will change that. I don't think they're honestly doing this for balance or digital storage reason, many games use the same number of animations for as many different characters while with better graphics, they just don't hire enough people to get this done correctly, so they're not planning on doing anything about it.

By all means please name ten of those games that release a new entry every year and leave not a single character behind.

Hard Mode-they can't be an actually bigger company than Game Freak.

[enderlord99]

Pokemon doesn't release new (main-series) games every tyear; I don't know why people keep claiming that as part of the defense.

[Bartmanhomer]

No, but it never was, so that's not much of a change.

Ok

It never was balanced. Gen 1 was broken.

no amount of them cutting down pokemon will change that. I don't think they're honestly doing this for balance or digital storage reason, many games use the same number of animations for as many different characters while with better graphics, they just don't hire enough people to get this done correctly, so they're not planning on doing anything about it.

I remember Generation 1 was really broken because of Mewtwo.

Yes it was, but they did an effort in the following games. Like Dark and Steel types were added to counter psychic dominance (and make fighting more useful). Bugs and ghosts got proper high-damage moves. Special was divided into special defense and special attack so one couldn't just Amnesia spam to ultimate power.



By all means please name ten of those games that release a new entry every year and leave not a single character behind.

Hard Mode-they can't be an actually bigger company than Game Freak.

Don't forget that Fairy Types was added to later games so that Dragon Attacks and Special Attack have no effect against Fairies.

[deuterio12]

Pokemon doesn't release new (main-series) games every tyear; I don't know why people keep claiming that as part of the defense.

Game Freaks still releases roughly a game per year meaning the main entries are still done with just that time of work.

Sure if Game Freak had unlimited resources (including time) they would have no excuse.

But as it stands their resources are limited.

While the true titans like Blizzard and Microsoft may have shinier graphics but take more time and still don't include every last thing from the previous entries.

[Bartmanhomer]

Mewtwo is the ultimate Uber Pokemon of all time. (Other than Rayquaza who also an Uber Pokemon as well) I just wish Mewtwo was legal in Let's Go Overused Format Games.

[deuterio12]

Ok
Don't forget that Fairy Types was added to later games so that Dragon Attacks and Special Attack have no effect against Fairies.

Indeed, each generation had changes aiming at higher balance.

Perfect balance was never achieved true, but then how many games can boast about that exactly?

[Bartmanhomer]

Indeed, each generation had changes aiming at higher balance.

Perfect balance was never achieved true, but then how many games can boast about that exactly?

Too many to count.

[deuterio12]

Too many to count.

Name ten then.

[Lord Raziere]

Yes it was, but they did an effort in the following games. Like Dark and Steel types were added to counter psychic dominance (and make fighting more useful). Bugs and ghosts got proper high-damage moves. Special was divided into special defense and special attack so one couldn't just Amnesia spam to ultimate power.



By all means please name ten of those games that release a new entry every year and leave not a single character behind.

Hard Mode-they can't be an actually bigger company than Game Freak.

Ahem.

Timeline of release years, pokemon:

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Timeline of release years
1996 Red and Green, Blue
1997
1998 Yellow, Red and Blue
1999 Gold and Silver
2000 Crystal
2001
2002 Ruby and Sapphire
2003
2004 FireRed and LeafGreen, Emerald
2005
2006 Diamond and Pearl
2007
2008 Platinum
2009 HeartGold and SoulSilver
2010 Black and White
2011
2012 Black 2 and White 2
2013 X and Y
2014 Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
2015
2016 Sun and Moon
2017 Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon
2018 Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!
2019 Sword and Shield

look at all those blank years, and oh look at those games which are basically "a game we already released but is just a patch on the first two." and look at how many are remakes of older games lets take a tally shall we?

Original Game: Red Green, Gold and Silver, Ruby Sapphire, Diamond and Pearl, Black and White, X and Y, Sun and Moon, Sword and Shield (8)
Patch Disguised As Game: Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, Black 2 and White 2, Ultra sun and moon (6)
Remake: FireRed and LeafGreen, HeartGold and Soulsilver, Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, Lets go Pikachu and Eevee! (4)

Of these games they've released "every year" 10 out of 18 of them are either remakes or modifications they made before on par with a patch update or DLC. thats more than half. and technically, if we count the pairs as separate games, we have 8 that are repeats of another game made at the same time, and 6 games that are repeats of repeats. so really, they've only made 8 original main games if we count one unreleased, and 24 unoriginal ones that repeat one of their 8.

they have literally produced more remakes of mainline pokemon games than they have real mainline pokemon games.

and there have been two year skips in the past, BUT not counting the remakes, we see that there is in fact a three-year gap between each actual new generation. they don't release a new pokemon game every year, they release one every three years with remakes that they put out to make it look like they releasing something new when they are not. Game Freak mastered the "sell you the same game repeatedly" long before Bethesda did it with Skyrim.

so no, your assertion that they put out a mainline game every year is untrue. they are in fact lazy and have put out more repeats than they do original games.

[Bartmanhomer]

Name ten then.

Pokemon Generation 1-7, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Soul Caliber. You said ten.

[Qwertystop]

Pokemon Generation 1-7, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Soul Caliber. You said ten.

Ten that achieved perfect balance, yes. Pokémon has never had that. Don't know about the others, haven't played them.

[deuterio12]

so no, your assertion that they put out a mainline game every year is untrue.

No, you're the one who's adding your personal definition of "mainline" to make it false.

they are in fact lazy and have put out more repeats than they do original games.

There's no shame in remaking an old game with improved graphics and mechanics as shown by the new Resident Evil 2's great reception.

And those "many games use the same number of animations for as many different characters while with better graphics" are done by companies that are significantly bigger over significantly longer periods of times. If you have examples of otherwise, by all means point them.

[Lord Raziere]

No, you're the one who's adding your personal definition of "mainline" to make it false.



There's no shame in remaking an old game with improved graphics and mechanics as shown by the new Resident Evil 2's great reception.

And those "many games use the same number of animations for as many different characters while with better graphics" are done by companies that are significantly bigger over significantly longer periods of times. If you have examples of otherwise, by all means point them.

I'm not. I copied and pasted that timeline from wikipedia. take it up with the people there if you think the definition wrong.

And what shame is there in taking time to craft a quality product? if anything there is more shame in pokemon's current methods across its entire media empire, as it hurts both its videogames AND its anime. being the constant timeline treadmill that it is, pokemon games and anime have both become stagnant and repetitious in the extreme. you ask for examples that you know are impossible and I'm not humoring your stupid rhetorical demand so that you can make me look silly. producing a game every year is not a virtue, its not inherently positive as the 24 repeats of 8 games show, if anything this constant copy-paste style of making games makes producing one every year inherently negative, for they will only continue to do the slapdash copy-paste without addressing quality concerns.

like more than one save file. or options to skip the tutorial. or other things that pokemon still has not managed to do despite every other game and their mother figuring out how to do them years ago back when like, OG paper mario was a thing, if not before.

[Silfir]

At this point Pokémon doesn't even really piss me off that much - what I would really like out of this thread now is for deuterio12 to stop resorting to the "name ten random things to help me prove my point" nonsense. It's not fooling anyone.

[deuterio12]

At this point Pokémon doesn't even really piss me off that much - what I would really like out of this thread now is for deuterio12 to stop resorting to the "name ten random things to help me prove my point" nonsense.

Then you have no reason to be pissed off, because I never said that.

All is I asked is that if you claim that "x is totally easy to do", then provide some actual examples of x actually being done. For you to prove your point.

Yet nobody can actually name a single other game that does all that they're asking of pokemon upgrade hundreds of characters, leave absolutely nobody behind, do it in a timely manner with just a staff the size of Game Freak's, funny that.

you ask for examples that you know are impossible

I'm afraid you're the one who started asking the impossible from Game Freaks in the first place. If it was that easy, then every RPG who can boast hundreds of monsters would be porting every monster/spell/weapon from their previous entries. But none does. Some or many get left behind all the time.

Your one and only example is name Paper Mario , in which case guess what, the next entry Thousand Year door is already lacking monsters from the first Paper Mario. So that just shows how silly your argument is, since it already fails to meet your initial criteria.

Did the removal of previous monsters turned Paper Mario Thousand Year Door in some horrible abomination? Maybe in your eyes, but most people still loved it.

[Bartmanhomer]

No game is perfect and Pokemon is no expectation. There will always be flaws and drawbacks.

[Lvl 2 Expert]

There's no shame in remaking an old game with improved graphics and mechanics as shown by the new Resident Evil 2's great reception.

Although doing it twice in a row with the same game is a bit silly. #justageofempiresthings

[Lord Raziere]

Then you have no reason to be pissed off, because I never said that.

All is I asked is that if you claim that "x is totally easy to do", then provide some actual examples of x actually being done. For you to prove your point.

Yet nobody can actually name a single other game that does all that they're asking of pokemon upgrade hundreds of characters, leave absolutely nobody behind, do it in a timely manner with just a staff the size of Game Freak's, funny that.



I'm afraid you're the one who started asking the impossible from Game Freaks in the first place. If it was that easy, then every RPG who can boast hundreds of monsters would be porting every monster/spell/weapon from their previous entries. But none does. Some or many get left behind all the time.

Your one and only example is name Paper Mario , in which case guess what, the next entry Thousand Year door is already lacking monsters from the first Paper Mario. So that just shows how silly your argument is, since it already fails to meet your initial criteria.

Did the removal of previous monsters turned Paper Mario Thousand Year Door in some horrible abomination? Maybe in your eyes, but most people still loved it.

your acting as if hiring new people is impossible. and that Paper Mario is an example of something you were talking about and not of features I was talking about like multiple save files. please stop acting as if these things are true before you make a fool of yourself further.