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    I assume it would be a one on one death match.
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    Non-transparent Psionics & Vancian magic? I know little of psionics and don't care for them, though, so I'd be no good as a DM. I do have a silly sort of hook idea, which would definitely set the SvsV quest on track. What do y'all think of something low-mid-level, 6-8ish? Just high enough to have some real definition, but low enough to still be assigned quest by higher Powers That Be.
    Actually, a strange idea popped into my head- one side has all spells that allow saving throws (including the harmless ones), and the other one has all the spells that don't.

    It's actually an interesting dynamic... one type of magic can be thrown off through force of will, while the other always works when it isn't countered, or resisted by something magic-resistant. Actually corresponds rather well to the two different types of magic from this thread... perhaps I'll have to use that idea sometime for a game.
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    That's quite clever... but are there enough non-saving-throw spells to be handy? I suppose some suffusion of warlock would be in order, since eldritch blast and detect magic are handy terrifically handy for spamming and work with HP. That would ascribe the clearly defined toolkit to LOTR, too, which we've sort of determined isn't its style.
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    Well, there are a fair number of non-saving throw spells. Among them...

    -Almost all divinations (Scrying is the only one that has a saving throw off the top of my head...)
    -Many necromancy effects. The Resurrection line, for instance; also Enervation, Rays of enfeeblement/Exhaustion, and that line of things.
    -Teleportation effects.
    -Summoning.

    In fact, non-saving throw magic corresponds pretty well with Harry Potter magic. I think there's enough non-saving throw spells to be at least fairly balanced. Maybe.

    You're right about how the clearly defined saving-throw branch doesn't actually fit Tolkien's magic, but I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with a game system of magic that did. Mostly because rules for a game have to be sort of defined, and Tolkien's magic isn't...

    ... possibly the Tolkien side of things would be limited to divine magic? That seems like it would help even balance out, and it removes a solid chunk of the flashier, non-Tolkienesque magic. Still wouldn't be any good for an actual Middle-Earth setting, but it might help capture the feel of it.
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    Well, if I was to play (in D&D) one of the "powerful caster" hero types that we see in Middle Earth I'd make a CoDzilla build. I mean this for the ones that are also super-combatants.
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    Arcane/Divine is actually a rather good fit, agreed. To match HP's tone and power level, just start with the no-save spells and build up from there. A lot of Abjurations, Conjurations, Transmutations and Evocations. Not so much with Illusion and Enchantment. Somewhat with... well, I suppose we could just go to my homebrew thread and start matching the spells one-to-one with a D&D spell list. I tried to keep the spell descriptions I made a HP-based as possible, but I obviously had the D&D analogues in mind when writing some of them out.
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    Hey guys, good thing this thread hasn't been derailed

    Really, what vs. thread should be next, even i am willing to admit the Lk vs. Sauron is getting old, i need a new medium. It is like when Link vs. Seph got closed, you need something new

    I like Lord Soth, but against who?
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    Well, I don't actually know a whole lot about Lord Soth (just what I gained from reading The DragonLance Chronicles) besides the fact that he's totally awesome. I do thing that Sauron > Lord Soth > Witch King is a fairly accurate statement so maybe neither are a good combatant for Soth.

    Maybe LK v LS? Except now it's two people that my knowledge about is minimal.

    I'm going to start a WK v LK deathmatch thread.
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    Well, I don't actually know a whole lot about Lord Soth (just what I gained from reading The DragonLance Chronicles) besides the fact that he's totally awesome. I do thing that Sauron > Lord Soth > Witch King is a fairly accurate statement so maybe neither are a good combatant for Soth.

    Maybe LK v LS? Except now it's two people that my knowledge about is minimal.

    I'm going to start a WK v LK deathmatch thread.
    LK could destroy Lord Soth, but Arthas (death knight arthas) is an entirely different story
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    Comparing the physical power and resources of Sauron and Voldemort is irrelevant, because neither can be permanently killed through direct bodily harm. They can only be defeated by understanding, finding and destroying the MacGuffins connected to their backstory. To kill Voldemort, you have to identify, find and destroy all his Horcruces. To kill Sauron, you have to find the One Ring, take it to Mount Doom, overcome its temptation (This is the big one, as itís implied that this is literally impossible,) and throw it in the fire.

    Where are these two going to meet? If one is meeting the other on his home turf, the invader will be unstoppable. If the One Ring is in Middle-earth, and you have no way of getting to Middle-earth, then Sauron can harass you indefinitely. The same is true of Voldemort and modern Earth.

    If each contender can use his magic to travel to the otherís home turf, things become more interesting. Then it becomes a matter of how much each contender knows, or can learn through magic, about the otherís MacGuffin. It seems more likely that Sauron can read Voldemortís mind than the other way around. And anyway, Sauron doesn't know where the Ring is, so mind reading would be of no use there. Furthermore, if Voldemort gains an incomplete understanding of the Ring, or even of a palantir, heís likely to use it without understanding the risk and fall under Sauronís control. This is more likely than it sounds Ė not only is Voldemort an idiot, but even some relatively smart people in Middle-Earth imagine that they can control the Ring. Even Gandalf, who knows as much as anyone about the rules of the story he's in, refuses to bear the ring because he knows he'd use it.

    The only advantage Voldemort has in the arena of information warfare is the fact that books about Sauron exist in Voldemortís world, and not the other way around. If Voldemort is clever enough to read The Lord of the Rings before engaging Sauron (unlikely as he may be to read muggle books when he wonít even deign to use the most deadly muggle weapons,) he might have a fighting chance.

    However, both Sauron and Voldemort share the stereotypical villainís flaw Ė they are incapable of lateral thinking. They both believe that any problem can be solved by throwing enough force at it, and they canít imagine that the plans theyíve contrived to keep themselves in power might be circumvented. This means that they probably wonít even bother learning about each otherís weaknesses, and the fight will probably result in a draw. Sauron will keep throwing orcs and other monsters at Voldemort, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters will keep killing them, ad infinitum or until some outside force ends the fight.

    So, it's a draw!
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    SB, you might want to familiarize yourself with the guidelines about thread necromancy...

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    The only advantage Voldemort has in the arena of information warfare is the fact that books about Sauron exist in Voldemort’s world, and not the other way around. If Voldemort is clever enough to read The Lord of the Rings before engaging Sauron (unlikely as he may be to read muggle books when he won’t even deign to use the most deadly muggle weapons,) he might have a fighting chance.
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