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    Default Unresolved Plot Point Collection Thread Revisited

    Due to obvious reasons, Sunken Valley is no longer here. I just assumed to revisit plot points left from his old thread.


    The big two:

    What is MitD?
    Still a mystery.
    How will Belkar “die”?
    We still don't know.

    Story-wide plot points:

    When will Xykon and Redcloak fully betray each other?

    Probably soon.
    What's the deal with the world in the world?
    Still a mystery.
    Do the crayon drawings hide a secret?
    Considering the confirmation that the gods used to look different, we now know that those scenes were not exactly happened as we assume before.
    How will Elan get his happy ending?
    He already get his happy ending.
    Will Belkar kill Varsuuvius?
    Maybe?
    How will the IFCC use their remaining 24 minutes of V’s soul?
    In an imaginative way, I presume.
    What are the 9 (or more) sides to the conflict?
    There is different ideas about it.
    Will MitD turn to the side of good?
    Looks like he already did.
    What is Redcloak going to do with the Phylacetery and when will Xykon find out about the switch?
    Soon, again, I think.
    Is the Dark One hiding a step in his grand plan from Redcloak?
    Considering Redcloak's blind faith in him, I don't think so.
    Will Durkon become a normal Dwarf again?
    Yep.
    Where do Sabine's loyalties lie?
    In Nale, considering her outburst.

    Future arc plot points:

    What broke up the Scribble so much?

    I think we already know what broke them up.
    How did Kraagor die?
    Unless there is a new revelation, the snarl killed him.
    Where is Serini?
    She's probably dead.
    How is Xykon's fortress going to show up in the plot?
    Probably it will not appear again.
    What else does Xykon have in secret?
    Many things, most of will be never known.
    Why was the Dark One gathering an army of souls?
    It's a reference to Acheron, LE/LN afterlife.
    What did Roy ask his Archon to do?
    Still a mystery.
    Will Eugene go to heaven?
    Hopefully not.
    What will O-Chul and Lien find at Kraagor's gate?
    They found Oona and Team Evil.
    What will happen to Azure city?
    Still Gobbotopia.
    Will the Soul-Splice be used again?
    I don't think so.
    How did the Scribble find out what the gates did?
    I suspect the gods' involvement.
    How will Belkar save Hinjo's life a 2nd time?
    Here?
    What will really happen if all the gates are destroyed?
    Everyone, including gods, believe that the world will be destroyed. We don't know how true this belief is.
    What is Elan's plan to help Ian and co defeat Tarquin?
    Still a secret.
    What was Nale's "Evil Potential"?
    I think he's able to commit big evil acts few can do, because of his growing up on Tarquin and Malack's shadow.
    Will Thog live?
    Maybe, maybe not.
    Will Bloodfeast's baleful polymorph be lifted?
    Probably.

    Current arc plot points:

    What is Hel's Plan?

    To be the top god of the northern pantheon.
    Can the Inner Durkon fight the spirit controlling him?
    He did it.
    Will Belkar survive his fall?
    He did.
    What will be the outcome of the Godsmoot Referendum?
    Still on the lockdown.
    What will be the fate of Hilgya and Kudzu?
    We'll see.
    What is the prize of Loki's bet between Hel and Thor?
    Still not a clue.

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    How will Durkon bring doom to the dwarves?
    He did, kinda.
    What Happened to Redcloak's niece?
    Still somewhere out there.
    What happened to Xykon's gem with the souls of the scribble in it?
    I think he still had it, somewhere.
    What about that anti-betrayal spell Xykon did on the MitD?
    Still on the table.
    What is Redcloak's real name?
    We'll probably never know.
    What happened to Lirian and Right Eye's zombies?
    They might be destroyed in Dorukan's Dungeon.


    Will we ever know:

    What is Daigo's surname?

    Hopefully.
    Why is Fyron's son not in SoD?
    Now that's a mystery.
    What did Haley mean when she said she's not exactly what you call...?
    Still expecting an answer on that.
    Will Hilgya come back?
    Yep.
    What is Elan's last name?
    Does he even had one?
    Has Kazumi had that baby yet?
    Soon, I think.
    What will Kazumi call the baby?
    Miko if it's a girl.
    What happened to Dorukan's and Lirian's rifts?
    They're still open, according to Godsmoot.
    Will Eugene keep his promise not to visit his family?
    Personally, I don't believe his words.
    Will we know Minrah's secret?
    Probably not.
    Will Roy ever learn that Eugene gave up the chance to pursue Xykon on the grounds that he had a family? Was he honest about it?
    Maybe, maybe not.
    What happened to Lauren and Miron?
    Could be stay unanswered for eternity!

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    What is Varsuuvius’ gender?
    Rich Burlew acknowledged Vaarsuvius as a genderqueer person.

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    Default Re: Unresolved Plot Point Collection Thread Revisited

    There´s also the thing Minrah thought Thor wouldn´t be cool with

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    There´s also the thing Minrah thought Thor wouldn´t be cool with
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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    What broke up the Scribble so much?
    I think we already know what broke them up.
    No, we definitely don't know what broke up the Order of the Scribble. In the Geekademia interview the Giant basically said that reveal was a huge deal that would change our entire perception of the main story:

    Rich: And there's also, I mean there are certain events that happened in that history between Girard and Soon Kim that have not been revealed that will certainly maybe make him seem a little less paranoid than he does right now, but not not-paranoid. But yeah, there's more there going on with what happened with the Order of the Scribble than has been revealed. But that's all gonna be unwound as the story comes towards its conclusion. There's more to learn, I mean, they had to go find Girard right now, so some pieces will be found then, I'm sure.

    Jesse: Do you think you may do a prequel book about the Order of the Scribble someday, or is that not something you're sure about?

    Rich: I wouldn't rule it out, but I don't currently have any plans to and I wouldn't know what I would do with it. I think the main thrust of their story needs to be included in the online strip. You need to know exactly what happened all that time ago that made them so angry at each other in order to understand the main story. So therefore I wouldn't want to shunt it to a side book. When it needs to be told, it needs to be front and center, and then once it's been told, it'll influence what people think about the characters after that.

    So I wouldn't want it to be. . . I had told much of the story, much of the things that Redcloak revealed to Tsukiko in the recent strip about how he was tricking Xykon was already known by people who had read Start of Darkness. But it didn't sort of change what was going to happen next for them to have known it separately. But anything about the Order of the Scribble isn't really like that. It's important in a way that would change things, and therefore it can't be let out of the bag early. But by the same token, I wouldn't object to writing a story of them just fighting Baron Pineapple, or something like that. Certainly wouldn't have any problems with that, but I think the main conflict between them is gonna be in the main comic at some point.

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    Now I really want to know what happened with the Order of the Scribble.

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    Heh, I was totally going to do this as soon as Book 6 ended. Felt like the right time. But since it's here now...

    I suggest that resolved plot points should be removed from the main list and relegated to a spoiler tag at the end. To help with that, here's my list of points from your list that I think should be considered resolved, with some comments:

    What is Vaarsuvius' gender?
    As you said, genderqueer.

    Do the crayon drawings hide a secret?
    This is strangely worded, but I'm pretty sure what SV meant was: Rich has said that the crayon drawings aren't necessarily exactly what happened. Is there something more that we weren't shown? This was answered with the reveal of a huge number of previous worlds.

    What are the nine sides of the conflict?
    Now that the Linear Guild are out, we know that the "nine sides" comment does not mean there will be nine sides at the final battle, only that there are (at least) nine factions who play some role in the story. We've already met enough to fill the bill, so the comment has no further significance. (At the time the comment was made, it hinted at two factions not yet revealed at that point: the Vector Legion and Hel.)

    Will Durkon become a normal dwarf again?
    Well, yeah, that happened.

    Where do Sabine's loyalties lie?
    #804 was even titled "Where Her Loyalties Lie", so that was already resolved before Nale's death, but as you say, her outburst nails it.

    What will O-Chul and Lien find at Kraagor's Gate?
    Resolved.

    Current arc plot points:
    All resolved except the Godsmoot. (One reason why I was going to wait for the end of Book 6, to start with a clean slate.)

    Will Hilgya come back?
    Yes, although that creates a new unresolved plot point: What will be the fate of Hilgya and Kudzu?

    And some comments on other points:

    How will Belkar "die"?
    The quote marks are not just unnecessary but outright wrong. The Oracle did not use the word "die", but rather a variety of euphemisms: "take his last breath ever", "should savour his last birthday cake". If you want to express doubt about whether these mean he will in fact die, then don't use quote marks, change the question to something like "Will Belkar die? If so, how?"

    Elan's happy ending:
    Word of Giant confirms that this simply refers to the work of fiction that is OotS ending happily. Maybe replace the question with something along the lines of "How will Xykon be defeated?" But... it's kind of obvious to say we don't know how the story will end before it ends, so I would drop this from the list altogether.

    What happened when Roy and Durkon visited the Oracle the first time?
    The reason why this is on the list is that, since Roy and Durkon are two, they could have asked a second question as well as "Where is Xykon?" In fact, they must have asked a second question, or they wouldn't have had to resort to dangling the Oracle out the window to get a third. So, what was that other question and its answer?

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    I thought with V the answer was “it’s a running joke that will never be revealed” that just seems like another way of not telling us

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    Rich has become more aware of gender issues than he was when OotS started. So yes, early in the story the answer would have been "it's a running joke that will never be revealed", but now it's "genderqueer" and as an actual gender identity, not a joke.

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    where was that revealed? was that in a forum post, book commentary, or something else?

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    I can’t think of any indication of that in the story, wasn’t it an aside about how Tarquin sees V and the rest of the order in a commentary? Given the context I wouldn’t take it as an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoHaxJustPi View Post
    where was that revealed? was that in a forum post, book commentary, or something else?
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    In this way, Tarquin is also symbolic of an older time when stories were likely to be formulaic or clichéd—and less diverse. It's no accident that he's a wealthy old straight white man losing his marbles over the fact that the tale he is experiencing doesn't focus on the other straight white man at the expense of the black man, the woman, the genderqueer person, and even the Latino guest star.

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    Is this an "unresolved plot point collection" thread, or a "things readers have wondered collection" thread? Because V's gender has never been and, I dare say, never will be a plot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Is this an "unresolved plot point collection" thread, or a "things readers have wondered collection" thread? Because V's gender has never been and, I dare say, never will be a plot point.
    Agreed, also, it feels odd to see the phrase "Rich Burlew called her a genderqueer" not just because of the apparent contradiction in grammatical gender, but using genderqueer as a noun rather than an adjective is... off.
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    How is Durkon going to contact/convey the message to Redcloak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Is this an "unresolved plot point collection" thread, or a "things readers have wondered collection" thread? Because V's gender has never been and, I dare say, never will be a plot point.
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    See, you say that, but I have reason to believe otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Dandelion View Post
    No, we definitely don't know what broke up the Order of the Scribble. In the Geekademia interview the Giant basically said that reveal was a huge deal that would change our entire perception of the main story:
    My hunch is that what caused them to break up was somehow related to them learning about the true nature of the snarl (i.e. the world within the rift). I've no idea how; call it an unfounded guess at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    See, you say that, but I have reason to believe otherwise.
    And for some reason, you didn't show the same sentiment in "Unresolved Plot Point Collection Thread?"
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    Looking back at the old thread: "What was Nale's 'Evil Potential'?" is resolved. See Kish's post.

    The post by Rich linked to in Kish's post does hint at "events yet to be revealed" regarding Nale, but I think that is also now resolved, with the reveal of the enmity between Nale and Malack. We don't know the full story of how they became enemies, but that seems very unlikely to be revisited now that both are dead.
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    And for some reason, you didn't show the same sentiment in "Unresolved Plot Point Collection Thread?"
    Indeed, it's like I grew over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aveline View Post
    Agreed, also, it feels odd to see the phrase "Rich Burlew called her a genderqueer" not just because of the apparent contradiction in grammatical gender, but using genderqueer as a noun rather than an adjective is... off.
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    Looking back at the old thread: "What was Nale's 'Evil Potential'?" is resolved. See Kish's post.
    Deleted it.
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    I suggest that resolved plot points should be removed from the main list and relegated to a spoiler tag at the end.
    Hmmm. Maybe later?
    Now that the Linear Guild are out, we know that the "nine sides" comment does not mean there will be nine sides at the final battle, only that there are (at least) nine factions who play some role in the story. We've already met enough to fill the bill, so the comment has no further significance. (At the time the comment was made, it hinted at two factions not yet revealed at that point: the Vector Legion and Hel.)
    1. OotS, SG, etc.
    2. Xykon
    3. Redcloak
    4. Linear Guild
    5. IFCC
    6. Tarquin, etc.
    7. Hel, HPoH, etc.
    8/9. Others?
    Yes, although that creates a new unresolved plot point: What will be the fate of Hilgya and Kudzu?
    Added it.
    The reason why this is on the list is that, since Roy and Durkon are two, they could have asked a second question as well as "Where is Xykon?" In fact, they must have asked a second question, or they wouldn't have had to resort to dangling the Oracle out the window to get a third. So, what was that other question and its answer?
    I thought the implication is that they both asked about Xykon's whereabouts and get worthless answers. That's why they used violence instead.
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    No, we definitely don't know what broke up the Order of the Scribble. In the Geekademia interview the Giant basically said that reveal was a huge deal that would change our entire perception of the main story:
    I see.
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    There´s also the thing Minrah thought Thor wouldn´t be cool with
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    Indeed, it's like I grew over time.
    Too bad then, 'cause it's part of the original thread and needs to be adressed as others.
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    Too bad then, 'cause it's part of the original thread and needs to be adressed as others.
    "It's always been that way" is a very poor rationale. Does it need to be addressed? Seems like you could easily erase it. The thread police ain't gonna come by with lights a-flashin.

    I'm just saying, it's not a plot point.
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    "Rich Burlew acknowledged they as a genderqueer" is closer to being correct, but they/them is a plural pronoun, despite being semantically singular in this usage. It should also be the objective-case "them" since Vaarsuvius is the direct object of Rich's acknowledgement. And genderqueer still should not be used as a noun, it is dehumanizing.

    If you truly want to include this non-plot-point, I recommend: "Rich acknowledged them to be genderqueer." or "Rich acknowledged that they are genderqueer."
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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    1. OotS, SG, etc.
    2. Xykon
    3. Redcloak
    4. Linear Guild
    5. IFCC
    6. Tarquin, etc.
    7. Hel, HPoH, etc.
    8/9. Others?
    8. Azure City (and Resistance / survivors); 9. Draketooth Clan. We could think of others as well (there have been whole threads on this), but trying to come up with an exact list is pointless, because there's so much wiggle room over who should be included, and which ones should be split / grouped together. People who fixate on the number "nine" in the quote and expect there to eventually be a nice clean canonical list of nine factions are bound to be disappointed. All the quote ever meant was "there will be new factions revealed later in the story", and this has already come true.


    I thought the implication is that they both asked about Xykon's whereabouts and get worthless answers. That's why they used violence instead.
    The Oracle specifically says: " 'In his throne room' was a perfectly valid answer to the question 'Where is Xykon?' ", implying that those were the exact words of Roy's first question, but giving us no information about Durkon's.

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    We do kinda know what happened between them: Soon had Lirian and Dorukan seal it thus killing(?) Kraagor. Soon also has the paladin class feature up his butt. Both of these grievances are brought up in the Girard's decoy location scene. Also the crayon drawings with the scribble mentioned these. The fact that we can't necessarily trust the god-related crayon drawings doesn't have any bearing on the order of the scribble related crayon drawings.
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    I wonder if the scribble saw some sort of indication that the snarl was weaving something in the rift and demanded they not investigate and just close them. Or!

    What if the world in the rift was partially or fully built by the time they were fighting their final battle against it and Krogeer got pulled in or fell or something and they could see there was a place that he went they could potentially try exploring or they could even still see him on the other side in the rift world, but Soon as leader made the choice to seal the rift when they had the chance. Or Krogaar purposely went over to the other side. idk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins View Post
    My hunch is that what caused them to break up was somehow related to them learning about the true nature of the snarl (i.e. the world within the rift). I've no idea how; call it an unfounded guess at this point.
    I think the Order of the Scribble are definitely connected to the world within the rift. If it came before them, they surely should have been in position to discover it.

    (If it came after them somehow, it might suggest they helped to create it.)

    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    I see.
    It seemed relevant to bring it up in a thread cataloguing possibly forgotten bits of dangling plot. This is a bit that we specifically know is going to be important yet is somehow obscure.

    Why did the Order of the Scribble get so mad at each other? We don't know yet, but definitely watch this space.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gluteus_Maximus View Post
    We do kinda know what happened between them: Soon had Lirian and Dorukan seal it thus killing(?) Kraagor. Soon also has the paladin class feature up his butt. Both of these grievances are brought up in the Girard's decoy location scene. Also the crayon drawings with the scribble mentioned these. The fact that we can't necessarily trust the god-related crayon drawings doesn't have any bearing on the order of the scribble related crayon drawings.
    We possibly know the issue that split the Scribble Order up for good. We don't know what caused such fracture lines to exist in the party in the first place. The accusations flew because they already had reason to doubt each other.

    The crayon drawings aren't necessarily false, they just aren't complete. The relevant important things about the Order of the Scribble happened long before that final fight, during the period in which they were learning all of those things about the origin of the Snarl and how the gods couldn't help.

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    Maybe Kroger created the world within the rift because he got stuck on the other side and got really bored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    Maybe Kroger created the world within the rift because he got stuck on the other side and got really bored.
    Kroger created the grocery stores within the rift.

    Let's trim this list.
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    What is MitD?
    Still a mystery.

    How will Belkar “die”?
    We still don't know.
    Will Belkar actually Die? seems to be a valid question.

    When will Xykon and Redcloak fully betray each other?
    In the future.

    What's the deal with the world in the world?
    Still a mystery.

    Do the crayon drawings hide a secret?
    Maybe, Thor's exposition has cleared up some of that.

    How will Elan get his happy ending?
    Book 7 will be finished.

    How will the IFCC use their remaining 24 minutes of V’s soul?
    In a way that coincides with their goals.

    What is Redcloak going to do with the Phylacetery and when will Xykon find out about the switch?
    He'll use it as leverage to get Xykon to do something for The Plan. He'll do it when Xykon is under duress.


    Is the Dark One hiding a step in his grand plan from Redcloak?

    Yes.

    Where do Sabine's loyalties lie?
    With Nale dead, likely with her boss.

    What broke up the Scribble so much?
    To be revealed.

    How did Kraagor die?
    Unless there is a new revelation, the snarl killed him.

    Where is Serini?
    Unknown

    How is Xykon's fortress going to show up in the plot?
    Thor foreshadowed it showing up again, it will be the Order in pursuit of Xykon.

    What else does Xykon have in secret?
    Many things, most of will be never known.

    Why was the Dark One gathering an army of souls?
    God food, see Thor's exposition. "Needs additional pylons"

    What did Roy ask his Archon to do?
    Still a mystery.

    Will Eugene go to heaven?
    Hopefully, because it means that Roy defeated Xykon if Eugene finally has the hold taken off of his afterlife.

    What will happen to Azure city?
    Stay Gobbotopia.

    Will the Soul-Splice be used again?
    No, they said it was once in a century

    How did the Scribble find out what the gates did?
    Trial and Error.

    How will Belkar save Hinjo's life a 2nd time?
    He won't, Hinjo is half way across the world leading his people. How the Paladin Got His Scar would point to this as fact.

    What will really happen if all the gates are destroyed?
    Everyone, including gods, believe that the world will be destroyed. We don't know how true this belief is.

    What is Elan's plan to help Ian and co defeat Tarquin?
    Still a secret.

    What was Nale's "Evil Potential"?
    It does not matter, Nale is no more.

    Will Thog live?

    Ice cream merchants the world over hope so.

    What is Hel's Plan?
    To be the top god of the northern pantheon.

    What will be the outcome of the Godsmoot Referendum?
    Still on the lockdown.

    What will be the fate of Hilgya and Kudzu?
    Sigdi will be involved .


    What happened when Roy and Durkon visited the Oracle the first time?
    They asked about Xykon.

    Why is Fyron's son not in SoD?
    Not important enough.

    What did Haley mean when she said she's not exactly what you call...?

    Still seeking a answer on that.

    What is Elan's last name?
    Burlew

    Has Kazumi had that baby yet?
    See HTPGHS

    What will Kazumi call the baby?
    See HTPGHS

    What happened to Dorukan's and Lirian's rifts?
    They are still rifting.

    Will Eugene keep his promise not to visit his family?
    Personally. He is LG if he gets into Celestia.

    Will we know Minrah's secret?
    Probably not.
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