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2019-04-20, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker
Having a few jokes here and there doesn't stop the majority of the film from being presented completely seriously, including the moments that undermine Kylo's credibility as a threat and show Rey's progression in learning to use the force happening very rapidly. The films aren't parodies like Spaceballs or over the top goofball films that just have fun with everything like Guardians of the Galaxy, they're still very much trying to be as serious as the other Star Wars films.
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"When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -C.S. Lewis
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2019-04-20, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Taking itself way too seriously is part of the farce.
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2019-04-20, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Episode 6 had an army of teddy bears. Episode 5 had yoda being a goofball and generally trolling Luke. Episode 4 had a robot and a sasquatch fighting over a game of space chess. Objectively speaking, Star Wars has been rather silly quite frequently.
It seems to me the writers have never really taken Star Wars as seriously as the fandom would like to believe. The idea that Star Wars is Serious Business is probably one of the most toxic mentalities in the "fandom".“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2019-04-20, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the philosophy and art direction are still there actually.
Patience, young padawan.
Yep.
She is... and yet she isn't. I like the idea.
Well his EXACT words immediately after that were "they were filthy junk traders who sold you off for drinking money." If they backtrack on all that to make her abilities purely due to being a scion, and continuing the tradition of the "Skywalker Dynasty" as being the only fast-track to Force mastery... all I can really say to that is ugh.Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2019-04-20, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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I largely agree, but the execution is what bugs me. There's a vast difference in the quality of the humor between "let the Wookiee win" and "I have a message. ABOUT YOUR MOM."
Spoiler: Good comic relief character
Spoiler: Bad comic relief character
Also, I agree with almost everything Psyren said.Last edited by Peelee; 2019-04-20 at 01:55 PM.
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2019-04-20, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not seeing how you think that goes against what I said. "They're still very much trying to be as serious as the other Star Wars films." Yes, the other films have some comedic moments, and some things that are just part of the genre that could come across as silly if you look at them the right way. So do the sequels. Doesn't change that the actual main plots of both are still taken completely seriously. The difference being that one of them manages to have those silly genre elements and jokes but still have intimidating villains that can be taken seriously as a threat, like Vader and Palpatine, while the other has repeatedly made its main antagonists look like incompetent fools in moments that were supposed to be serious and threw away the only halfway threatening villain it had.
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"When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty, I read them openly. When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." -C.S. Lewis
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2019-04-20, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-20, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Lies and falsehoods
Threepio: I see your point, sir. I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee win.Threepio: No, I don't think he likes you at all.
Artoo beeps
Threepio: No, I don't like you either.Threepio: Master Luke, sir! Pardon me for asking... but, ah... what should Artoo and I do if we're discovered here?
Luke: Lock the door!
Han: And hope they don't have blasters.
ETA: Didn't see you mention prequel trilogy. You speak the truth.Last edited by Peelee; 2019-04-20 at 02:37 PM.
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2019-04-20, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-20, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't know your name but bring the pain.
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2019-04-20, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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The traditions of the Skywalker dynasty are limb loss and getting the crap kicked out of you, not fast tracked force sensitivity.
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2019-04-20, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, the third one. That's what I said. I said I first thought the Yoda session was before the rematch, but that I was wrong about that because they were doing other stuff then like dealing with ewoks.
Don't correct my correct corrections, or you'll confuse my confused confusion.The Hindsight Awards, results: See the best movies of 1999!
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2019-04-20, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Anakins mother was a Slave, and his step father was a moisture farmer.
Junk trader is probably a step up from that.
As to his real dad:
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2019-04-20, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's a bit more nuanced than that. You can crack a joke and still maintain a sense of belief or seriousness. There's plenty of films you can laugh at that are serious.
The sequel trilogy is bad because it feels like a farce. The jokes are at the expense of the first order, but you're supposed to take them super seriously. You spend minutes watching some space nazi brood when just a moment ago he was hillariously humiliated and revealed to be completely inept... you've gotta spend time while the film is trying to state this dude is the real deal when a prior scene righteously had him punked in some goophy way. Imagine for a moment that the Looney Toons tried really hard to make Yosemete Sam a very dark and serious character who still couldnt do anything right, but they're invested in you taking Sam seriously as a threat for the plot to work.That's what I feel the ST is doing.Last edited by The Jack; 2019-04-20 at 03:49 PM.
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2019-04-20, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've sat through two movies already and it's still not been explained. On top of this, I don't trust JJ to actually do any sort of decent job explaining it. Just look at the last season of Lost.
On top of this, the Expanded Universe hasn't even explained it. There's so little information on it that there isn't even a stub page on the Wiki. To add all to this, Snoke's quote doesn't even have the thing capitalized. He just says:
Originally Posted by Snoke
Except that I can do that with literally any film, its all about the context of the scene. R2-D2 vs Chewie shows that Wookie's have a temper and that they have the strength to back it up, so you should leave them alone. Yoda is trying to impart a lesson of patience and to not trust your eyes to Luke. On top of this he stops acting silly after he begins actually training Luke. The Ewoks were never actually shown in a comical light. Cute and non-threatening? Yes, but that was to make their appearance at the end killing Stormtroopers all the more shocking.
It was taken as seriously as Space Opera should be, which means that all the jokes were in universe humor that the characters were tossing back and forth amongst themselves. The new humor is explicitly for the audience and is far mroe in line with how Marvel does it. Original Star Wars was very dry, the New Trilogy isn'tLast edited by Blackhawk748; 2019-04-20 at 03:54 PM.
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2019-04-20, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-20, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-20, 07:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ignoring religion, I think it literally means what the poster is meaning it to mean while the term virgin birth does not.
The movie actually leads the audience along with Poe's plan and "side" and then when it has to say that Holdo actually has any kind of reasonable plan, it bends over backwards to have Holdo and Leia still admiring the mutineer. You're getting an exactly opposite message from the movie than I am.
I don't feel like there's any way to justify this opinion. Where is the humor that is not between characters and not in-universe?
[Edited to fix quote attribution.]Last edited by Zalabim; 2019-04-20 at 10:21 PM.
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2019-04-20, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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What I mean by that is that the humor in the Original Trilogy was things that normal people would say. 3PO is funny simply by his personality, he's not telling jokes, he's not delivering a punchline. He is simply acting like himself and that happens to be funny at certain times.
The New Trilogy, however, has things like Porgs bouncing around inside of the Falcon like Minions in Despicable Me. That stuff is entirely artificial and isn't caused simply by the characters acting like themselves.
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2019-04-20, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-20, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you. I ran out of quote buffer, tried to do it myself, and apparently can't tell up from down.
I mean, that's animals acting like animals do, though at the time I just felt like that was there to push the toy line. Which is kinda the opposite of "for the audience" since it wants something "from the audience" (toy sales.)
Also, I still feel like the porgs made it over the Ewok bar.
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2019-04-20, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Chewbacca never killed and roasted an Ewok for dinner, at least.
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2019-04-21, 12:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Once you recognize that making creating some form of small animal for the Ahch-To scenes was a necessity, the choice to produce something cute and marketable in order to sell more toys follows naturally.Last edited by Mechalich; 2019-04-21 at 12:13 AM.
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2019-04-21, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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The porgs are just that one vacuum droid from A New Hope plus the Nien Nunb laugh scene from Return of the Jedi plus the Trouble with Gizka gag from KOTOR. Not really different from what was already in Star Wars.
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2019-04-21, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Don't you get it, it's new, therefore it sucks. Also conspiracy by the dirty corporate girls, with cooties. They're pushing out the true fans of Star wars and anybody who disagrees isn't a true fan.
I hope they start mining some knights of the old republic stuff. They had good plotlines, well the beginning of good plotlines. That's probably the nostalgia speaking. I loved that game.
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2019-04-21, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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