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    I agree with an earlier poster that mad scientists are frequently autodidactic. And obsessive. Having them obsess over any field would really sell them, though at least part of their study ought to involve math either directly or indirectly (like physics).

    Really though, it seems that the mad science angle is always used for fields that are newish and growing relatively quickly in complexity. And in the modern age, groundbreaking work isn't usually done by a single person so much as it is done by teams of researchers.

    So, I think it's the mad financier is the modern iteration of mad science. John Hammond, for example. They set the goals and organize the team, then reap the rewards. Since they do not even need to understand the underlying science, it's much easier for them to fall to their hubris. So they might even be better at the core story trope of the classical mad scientist.
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    So, I think it's the mad financier is the modern iteration of mad science. John Hammond, for example. They set the goals and organize the team, then reap the rewards. Since they do not even need to understand the underlying science, it's much easier for them to fall to their hubris. So they might even be better at the core story trope of the classical mad scientist.
    I don't think John Hammond is a particularly good example as most of his mad science-ing was done by Dr Henry Wu, who was InGen's chief geneticist. Judging from the Jurassic World re-makes, Dr Wu gleefully puts both hands on the figurative power lever to bring his Frankenstein's Monster to life (the Indominus Rex), so I wouldn't be surprised if he was like that earlier on in his career during the Jurassic Park days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerMug Paladin View Post
    Really though, it seems that the mad science angle is always used for fields that are newish and growing relatively quickly in complexity. And in the modern age, groundbreaking work isn't usually done by a single person so much as it is done by teams of researchers.

    So, I think it's the mad financier is the modern iteration of mad science. John Hammond, for example. They set the goals and organize the team, then reap the rewards. Since they do not even need to understand the underlying science, it's much easier for them to fall to their hubris. So they might even be better at the core story trope of the classical mad scientist.
    The need for large teams is if anything something that could drive someone to mad science. 'I have this idea, and I know it's right! But scientific society is insisting that I get IRB signoff, preregister the experiment, proceed carefully in stages, do replicates, report monthly to the funding agency, attend faculty meetings about the color of paint to use on the hallways between the labs, etc. I'll show them, I'll skip all of that, build it, and then they'll see!'. Also, the 'mad' title does make you eligible to receive minions from villain support charities...

    But I'll definitely second the idea of a 'mad financier'.

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    First we identify leading candidates who just refuse to let things like 'morality', 'ethics review boards' or indeed 'laws' stand in the way of the nightmare future of mad science we all crave. We found Dr. von Tottenberg after an ill-tempered hamster she had successfully mind-grafted to an electric 'manscaping' razor went on a rampage and gave several bystanders tragic haircuts in their personal regions. Thanks to the support of unethical monsters like yourself, our talent scouts were able to successfully exfiltrate Ms. von Tottenberg before the Swiss police closed the border.

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    I think honestly the most realistic answer to this topics question is pharmacologist/orchanic synthesis chemist though.

    Mad science is mad science, but this version pays the bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl 2 Expert View Post
    I think honestly the most realistic answer to this topics question is pharmacologist/orchanic synthesis chemist though.

    Mad science is mad science, but this version pays the bills.
    If you're not paying the bills by extorting the world with your creations, then is your heart really in your mad science? Were all the mad degrees worth it? Was mad academia just for the prestige? The mad student loans still need their databases destroyed, but that'll have to wait until the weekend because you have the 9-5.
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    I don't think extortion is strictly necessary but yes, if you try to make a living by honest work, you're not a mad scientist (unless you're employer is an evil person / corporation. And yes, a mad scientist doesn't have to be self-employed. There is no shame in leaving the more mundane matters of running a business to other people so you can focus on the important things, aka mad sciencing.
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    This may have been to subtle, but my suggestion was mostly that illegal drugs tend to sell better than most illegal science projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl 2 Expert View Post
    This may have been to subtle, but my suggestion was mostly that illegal drugs tend to sell better than most illegal science projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lvl 2 Expert View Post
    This may have been to subtle, but my suggestion was mostly that illegal drugs tend to sell better than most illegal science projects.
    Anyone can do that though.
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    Anyone can do that though.
    Nah. Chemistry is very much like cooking : at its core it is following basic recipes but being good enough to make the really expensive (and good) stuff takes years of practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Nah. Chemistry is very much like cooking : at its core it is following basic recipes but being good enough to make the really expensive (and good) stuff takes years of practice.


    A multi-millionaire ass.
    I more meant the selling, not the making. The bane of Walt's existence, for example, was he had no idea how to sell it and would hop into bed with the first person who came along that could.

    Also, psh. What did he buy with those millions? Money ain't nothin' if you can't spend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Well, what you do want to do with your mad science? Chemical engineering, for instance, is the "blow stuff up" field. Possibly structural engineering as well if you want to be incredibly efficient at it.
    Is blowing things up with chemical explosives really what a mad scientist wants to be doing. It just seems so... petty, and small scope. Unless you're building some sort of doomsday device (which would be more of a physics project) merely "blowing stuff up" is far too lacking ambition IMO.

    If you do want to be a mad chemical scientist, I would think biological/medical chemistry would be a better route. For drugging and mind-controlling the population, or creating mutants, or super-soldiers. Or turning the population into mind-controlled mutant super-soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardog View Post
    Is blowing things up with chemical explosives really what a mad scientist wants to be doing. It just seems so... petty, and small scope. Unless you're building some sort of doomsday device (which would be more of a physics project) merely "blowing stuff up" is far too lacking ambition IMO.

    If you do want to be a mad chemical scientist, I would think biological/medical chemistry would be a better route. For drugging and mind-controlling the population, or creating mutants, or super-soldiers. Or turning the population into mind-controlled mutant super-soldiers.
    It's only small scope if you're thinking small. Blowing up the moon, for instance, is far from petty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    It's only small scope if you're thinking small. Blowing up the moon, for instance, is far from petty.
    I don't want to downplay the 'mad' part of our discussion but what point is there in blowing up the moon? I'd aim for something more practical, like critical infrastructure or so. I think e.g. bridges. They're also flashy enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kato View Post
    I don't want to downplay the 'mad' part of our discussion but what point is there in blowing up the moon?
    A.) I feel like you're downplaying the 'mad' part of our discussion.

    2.) Maybe you just noticed the little kid you're fighting has a tail.
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    Becoming a neuropsychologist who uses test subjects to experiment with bleeding edge, illegal neuroprosthetic research and targeted brain lesions to study effects on behaviour?

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    A brain-melting (NPI) concoction of philosophy, experimental science, relativism of observational metrics, and terrifying human experimentation.

    That fit your bill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    It's only small scope if you're thinking small. Blowing up the moon, for instance, is far from petty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    Mandatory reminder that nuclear reactions are a subset of chemistry, technically speaking.
    Imean, cmon now, chemical engineering is a subset of chemistry.
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    Imean, cmon now, chemical engineering is a subset of chemistry.
    You'd think that. Then you study it, and it turns out it's almost entirely physics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knaight View Post
    You'd think that. Then you study it, and it turns out it's almost entirely physics.
    I am neither smart enough nor dumb enough to go into engineering. I may be both smart enough and dumb enough to go into law, though...
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    You'd think that. Then you study it, and it turns out it's almost entirely physics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    A.) I feel like you're downplaying the 'mad' part of our discussion.

    2.) Maybe you just noticed the little kid you're fighting has a tail.
    III.) Perhaps you're a Mad Chemist and Physicist and plan on using the debris and tidal disruptions to destroy critical infrastructure.
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    You know, that's something that always bothers me about 'blowing up the moon' scenarios. I mean, excluding magic, how much force do people expect to use to influence the tides? I mean, fine, if you blow it to smithereens, half of it falling on Earth and half blowing into outer space that works. But in most cases (when it doesn't magically vanish) it's just broken up. It's still there, it's just not one block but the mass is still (mostly) in place.

    But I'm drifting off.
    I'll agree I see great potential in drugs. There are all kinds of applications and it seems like it pays well. I don't think it's THE mad scientist occupation but it's got potential.
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    A mad scientist is rarely an actual scientist. If I were to go on a "career path" to be a mad scientist, I would avoid getting degrees in the sciences, focusing instead on practical applications of knowledge, such as engineering. A "mad scientist" is typically an engineer with a vision going into scientific fields in the hope of finding recognition (and/or financing), and finding none. When one wants to "show them all", it's primarily as a last-resort practical showcase of a principle or device said to be - or laughed out as - theoretically impossible or unfeasible by the 'actual scientists'.
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    This discussion reminded me of one pretty old webcomics very specifically about mad science, where it is treated as a psychlogical condition called Science related memetic disorder. Very much worth a read.
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