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    Logan. Hands down.

    Also look at this paradox I just created:

    "I only like good movies, and I like every MCU film."

    Because the two statements contradict each other!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Hat View Post
    Logan. Hands down.

    Also look at this paradox I just created:

    "I only like good movies, and I like every MCU film."

    Because the two statements contradict each other!
    That's not a paradox, just an oxymoron.

    I don't think there are many outright bad movies in the MCU oeuvre, but there are a couple, mostly Phases 1 and 2. Considering the number of films it's had, the relative quality is, I think, pretty impressive. Not many film franchises run to over 20 films, but of those that come to mind, the MCU has a significantly better average quality than Bond, Carry On or Godzilla. There have only been about half as many Star Wars films, but it bears comparison because of the TV series, and the MCU knocks it out of the park in terms of consistent quality.

    It's easy to hate, but the MCU is really rather remarkable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aedilred View Post
    It's easy to hate, but the MCU is really rather remarkable.
    Because it has over 20 films? No. No! NO!

    Can we drop this notion once and for all? Yes I hate the MCU. Yes you are entitled to like it. But can we drop the notion the MCU is somehow impressive because there's over 20 films, and there's been over 20 films in the span of about 10 years.

    Success does not equal quality. There are plenty of great films that bomb, and plenty of horrible films that make a lot of money ensuring several sequels. If success and quality were the same thing every fast food restaurant would have gone out of business long ago.

    There are other aspects to consider if something is successful, good, or right. To summarize a broken clock is right twice a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Hat View Post
    Because it has over 20 films? No. No! NO!

    Can we drop this notion once and for all? Yes I hate the MCU. Yes you are entitled to like it. But can we drop the notion the MCU is somehow impressive because there's over 20 films, and there's been over 20 films in the span of about 10 years.
    He was quite explicitly saying that it's not just number of films but the combination of quantity and quality that is impressive. Which I would agree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Hat View Post
    Because it has over 20 films? No. No! NO!

    Can we drop this notion once and for all? Yes I hate the MCU. Yes you are entitled to like it. But can we drop the notion the MCU is somehow impressive because there's over 20 films, and there's been over 20 films in the span of about 10 years.

    Success does not equal quality. There are plenty of great films that bomb, and plenty of horrible films that make a lot of money ensuring several sequels. If success and quality were the same thing every fast food restaurant would have gone out of business long ago.

    There are other aspects to consider if something is successful, good, or right. To summarize a broken clock is right twice a day.
    Aedilred said consistent quality, so even if you dislike them, I would imagine you would agree with that statement.

    Also, being successful enough to knock out twenty movies in a decade is remarkable no matter how you feel about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zevox View Post
    He was quite explicitly saying that it's not just number of films but the combination of quantity and quality that is impressive. Which I would agree with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Aedilred said consistent quality, so even if you dislike them, I would imagine you would agree with that statement.
    Yeah quality is subjective especially here. Every film can be summed up by "evil bad guy person wants to kill a bunch of people and hero good guy protagonist man has to punch the bad guy a bunch of times."

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    Also, being successful enough to knock out twenty movies in a decade is remarkable no matter how you feel about them.
    What's your point? I have a bowel movement every day. The average let's player puts out over two hours of content on a weekly basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Hat View Post
    Yeah quality is subjective especially here.
    It is, yes. And you're free to disagree. My point is that you either misunderstood or misrepresented what Aedilred said in the response that you gave, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Hat View Post
    Yeah quality is subjective especially here. Every film can be summed up by "evil bad guy person wants to kill a bunch of people and hero good guy protagonist man has to punch the bad guy a bunch of times."
    "Consistent quality" doesn't mean "they're good." it means the quality is consistent. If you think they are all roughly equally bad, then you think they have consistent quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Hat View Post
    Yeah quality is subjective especially here. Every film can be summed up by "evil bad guy person wants to kill a bunch of people and hero good guy protagonist man has to punch the bad guy a bunch of times."
    Every film can be summed up as ‘protagonist wants to do a thing but antagonists oppose them’.

    Just because tropes and cliches exist doesn’t mean films are bad for using them.
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    What's your point? I have a bowel movement every day. The average let's player puts out over two hours of content on a weekly basis.
    And it's been thoroughly entertaining to read it here every day.

    Also, at least one MCU movie breaks even your excessively vague and generalized "cliche"--the protagonist doesn't win by punching the antagonist repeatedly
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    I'm pretty sure I've answered this before, but why not.

    Top movie, Doctor Strange. Visually stunning and massive bonus points for having the final boss not defeated by punching him really hard, but by an actual plan. And actual self-sacrificing heroism instead of "I punch harder" heroism, combined with tactical intelligence and creative use of powers.

    Second: Ragnarök. Just fun and high energy throughout. A few missteps, mainly in the "mood whiplash" department, where they had to make jokes in every scene, even while people were dying.

    Worst movie: First Avenger. Just thoroughly dull.

    Most of the other movies are generally okay, some better, some worse. I generally like the Thor and Guardian movies, for more creative world building and visuals, and dislike the straighter more down to Earth ones, though I'm also not too fond of Captain Marvel and Black Panther. Age of Ultron was a giant wasted opportunity, an evil AI could be so much more interesting than a semi-endless swarm of drones and a bad take on Asimov. Iron Man 2 I barely remember, so it must have been quite boring too.

    What I'm generally missing with the Marvel Movies is people who use their powers for more than just violence, and more creative use of existing powers. And they could go so much further with embracing their crazy setting. I'm fairly confident we won't get to see the first two.
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    Mine was quite accurate, with perhaps Endgame and Age of Ultron reversed, but its been a while since I watched Ultron



    Captain America: Civil War
    Avengers: Infinity War
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Iron Man
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    The Avengers
    Doctor Strange
    The Incredible Hulk
    Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    Avengers: Age of Ultron
    Avengers: Endgame
    Iron Man 3
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Thor
    Black Panther
    Captain America: The First Avenger
    Ant-Man
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Thor: The Dark World
    Iron Man 2
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    It's been a while since I've seen a lot of them but just going off memory.

    Captain America: Civil War
    Avengers: Infinity War
    Spiderman: Homecoming
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Avengers: Endgame
    Avengers: The First One
    Iron Man 1
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Black Panther
    Guardians of the Galaxy 2
    Antman
    Captain America: Winter Soldier
    Captain Marvel
    Avengers: Age of Ultron
    Doctor Strange
    Antman and the Wasp
    Iron Man 2
    Iron Man 3
    Thor
    Thor: Dark World
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    Captain America: The First Avenger

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    I've enjoyed the hell out of the MCU, but my favorite to this day remains the very first of the bunch: Iron Man.

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    Here's what I got from that site:

    Some surprises. I didn't think Dr. Strange would be that high.

    But otherwise its pretty dead on.

    Captain America: The First Avenger
    Avengers: Endgame
    Captain America: Civil War
    Avengers: Infinity War
    Doctor Strange
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Iron Man
    Ant-Man and the Wasp
    Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    Black Panther
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Ant-Man
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Thor
    Thor: The Dark World
    Captain Marvel
    Iron Man 2
    The Avengers
    The Incredible Hulk
    Avengers: Age of Ultron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leewei View Post
    I've enjoyed the hell out of the MCU, but my favorite to this day remains the very first of the bunch: Iron Man.
    This. Less trying for family friendly gags and lame puns than many later movies. Somewhat lacking in the Loki department though, but you can't win 'em all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bundin View Post
    This. Less trying for family friendly gags and lame puns than many later movies. Somewhat lacking in the Loki department though, but you can't win 'em all.
    Why the loki love?

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    The Avengers
    Avengers: Infinity War
    Captain America: Civil War
    Avengers: Endgame
    Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Doctor Strange
    Captain America: The First Avenger
    Iron Man
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Ant-Man
    Avengers: Age of Ultron
    Black Panther
    Thor
    Ant-Man and the Wasp
    Iron Man 2
    The Incredible Hulk
    Iron Man 3
    Captain Marvel
    Thor: The Dark World

    Seems accurate enough...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HMS Invincible View Post
    Why the loki love?
    In a world with lots of black and white (at least in the earlier movies), a bit of grey is a good addition. And I like snark.

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    Also, Loki's probably still the funniest memorable villain. Maybe Ultron. (not-coincidentally, both Whedon films)

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    The sorting app that the OP mentioned made this list for me. Do note that I have not seen all of the newest MCU-movies yet (working on it!). So, selecting any of those movies that I have not yet seen instead of the movies that I have seen, would be faulty reviewing. You can't have an opinion of a film that you haven't seen yet.

    1. The Avengers (I would have questioned the tech if this wasn't Number One)
    2. Iron Man (It all started here. Still holds up.)
    3. Avengers: Endgame
    4. Avengers: Infinity War
    5. Captain America: The First Avenger (Cap...
    6. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (... has...)
    7. Thor
    8. Captain America: Civil War (... the best trilogy. Also? This is like Avengers 2.5.)
    9. Thor: Ragnarok
    10. Guardians of the Galaxy (Surprised to see a good superhero-movie with characters that *even I* had never heard of before)
    11. Doctor Strange (Refreshing film, even though Strange seemed to be channeling Stark at times. Maybe he was a fan of Stark as MD?)
    12. Avengers: Age of Ultron (Worst ensemble cast-movie, hands down.)
    13. Iron Man 2 (Eh. It's entertaining.)
    14. Spider-Man: Homecoming (Good movie but I'd like to see adult Spider-Man. Spider-Man was a teenager in the 60's. )
    15. Captain Marvel
    16. The Incredible Hulk (The second step MCU took was kind of a stumble)
    17. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    18. Thor: The Dark World
    19. Ant-Man (Gimmicky fun but gimmicks nonetheless)
    20. Iron Man 3 ("I'm the real Mandarin, blargh!" Way to go, ruining the 10 rings-plot set in the first movie. Also, not enough armor-heroics and the armors used seemed to be made of balsawood, cheap plastics and stuff like that)
    21. Ant-Man and the Wasp
    22. Black Panther
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    Keep in mind, i haven't kept up with most of them...

    The first half of iron man 1.
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    Ooh, we have a badass here. Lol

    You guys are using an app to sort your movies?

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    I like the Punisher series on Netflix. No superpowers, just the madness of an old tough marine

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMS Invincible View Post
    Ooh, we have a badass here. Lol

    You guys are using an app to sort your movies?
    Original poster mentioned it. I tried it out of slight curiosity and boredom. What was surprising was that it made a list that I could agree with: Top 10 was something I would have put together. Not that I've ever tried to make "Top X MCU-films"-list. Truth be told, I had to switch places with The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man: Homecoming. I don't agree that Hulk-movie is better than Homecoming.

    Even more surprising was the fact that trying this app to sort movies made me a 100% grade-A badass. Right after I made the list, I casually offhand-backhanded the lights out of a sneaking ninja and made a snappy oneliner.
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    That does seem to generate a pretty accurate list. Here's mine:

    The Avengers
    Avengers: Infinity War
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Avengers: Endgame
    Thor: Ragnarok
    Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    Avengers: Age of Ultron
    Doctor Strange
    Iron Man
    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    Thor
    Captain America: Civil War
    Captain America: The First Avenger
    Ant-Man
    Black Panther
    Thor: The Dark World
    Iron Man 2
    Ant-Man and the Wasp
    The Incredible Hulk
    Iron Man 3
    Captain Marvel

    I still haven't seem Captain Marvel yet though.

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    The problem with the list, of course, is that it doesn't take into account how long it is since you've seen the movie. The movies in the list that I like most are those that I have readily available and so watch more frequently. When given a choice between a movie I haven't seen in a couple of years and one I saw last month, I'm more likely to choose the one I haven't seen in longer, even if I prefer the other one. And those that I don't have available to watch on demand at all, like Endgame, become more attractive in abstract for that reason.

    This generated a couple of strange results for me, as while there are no MCU movies I actively hate and wouldn't pass up watching again all things being equal, some of those that I'm not particular fans of cropped up oddly high in the list, just because I went "oh yeah!" and clicked on that. As time went on I tried to correct for this but that probably just led to further distortion.

    Similarly, if there are any you haven't seen, you probably need to decide whether you're going to treat that as a consistent "yes" or consistent "no", just so it doesn't distort other results, and then disregard its eventual position.
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