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    Interesting. I don't even know what PVR is.

    But it does seem like they're down to a very, very small fanbase at this point. Odd that they've renewed for two seasons, then, although maybe it was somehow easier for the contracts?

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    Interesting. I don't even know what PVR is.
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    But it does seem like they're down to a very, very small fanbase at this point.
    No idea. It's probably on some website somewhere.

    It's not especially risky to have a kind of marquee show to fill a hole in your summer schedule, usually it's a mini-series or some kind of elaborate game show. I'm sure there are other factors like Disney+ streaming coming late this year as well.

    They clearly do have enough confidence in viewership to have this season go on without a notable cuts or anything. Like, it wouldn't have been odd if several of the cast members didn't return or there was an obvious decline in effects spending. I compared this to Once Upon a Time because they're on the same network in roughly the same time-frame and are both genre shows with a recurring need for visual effects, and in the last season of OUaT they got rid of the majority of the main cast along with an obvious compromise in terms of sets and visual effects. I was assuming that was what we were going to see with AoS getting a token last season since it was announced, but it doesn't really feel much different from the first season based on last week's premiere episode.

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    Odd that they've renewed for two seasons, then, although maybe it was somehow easier for the contracts?
    As I said, it was artificially cut in half. Though it's not like the division of episodes into seasons is all that meaningful from the perspective of the viewers, every AoS season has been cut into halves narratively speaking.

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    I work nights, so I don't watch any TV the night it airs. Usually on the next day. Speaking of which, time to cue this up.

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    Alas, poor S.H.I.E.L.D. thread. Seems like not many people watching the new season.

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    I'm watching it, I just don't have anything particular to say. I like it. It's good. It's still pretty early to speculate on who this Coulson lookalike is.

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    Speaking of early speculation…

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    My guess is that Mad Maxxson & Co. are fleeing from Something Truly Horrendous, and they’re burning worlds as they go in an attempt to cover their tracks and/or make it more difficult for the STH to follow them.

    Pure speculation, likely far off the mark.

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    My own theory is:

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    They are fleeing whatever is destroying worlds, only stopping by to loot them for supplies then running off when it arrives, always staying one step ahead of it. No idea who the Coulson double is, or why he has his DNA. Clone? Identical great-great-great grandson? He seemed to recognize the name Coulson, although vaguely.

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    No idea who the Coulson double is, or why he has his DNA. Clone? Identical great-great-great grandson? He seemed to recognize the name Coulson, although vaguely.
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    I'm guessing it's an alternate-universe Coulson, now that Endgame has opened up the Marvel multiverse in the MCU and the Mysterio in the Spider-Man trailer is explicitly said to come from an alternate earth. The whole "weird unexplainable phenomena happening at specific points around the world" thing is looking like a "weakening in the fabric of reality" sort of plot point, which generally goes with universe-hopping rather than time-hopping or teleporting between planets.

    Sarge recognizing the name Coulson and refusing to go into his backstory for anyone points to him being an alternate Phil Coulson who went all dark and edgy due to growing up in a grimdark SHIELD-less world, and since we didn't get dark!Coulson in the Framework plotline this gives us a chance to see him now, but outside of the standard doppleganger/mind-controlled good guy/etc. setup.
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    As for Not-Coulson, though I don't think that this is very likely or reasonable at all, but I think it would be interesting if not-Coulson was somehow reincarnated because he still has debts to pay to the Spirit of Vengeance. With all the one lady's talk of reincarnation and the orange lighting in the truck, I think it would be cool, but it also wouldn't move things forward at all.

    Also, I'm glad that Enoch is back.
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    As for Not-Coulson, though I don't think that this is very likely or reasonable at all, but I think it would be interesting if not-Coulson was somehow reincarnated because he still has debts to pay to the Spirit of Vengeance. With all the one lady's talk of reincarnation and the orange lighting in the truck, I think it would be cool, but it also wouldn't move things forward at all.

    Also, I'm glad that Enoch is back.
    While I find this highly unlikely, I would absolutely piss my pants with joy if at some point Mad Maxxson grimly looked forward and his eyes went fiery and his big rig transformed with wheels on fire into a demonic ghost rider big rig.
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    Sarge recognizing the name Coulson and refusing to go into his backstory for anyone points to him being an alternate Phil Coulson who went all dark and edgy due to growing up in a grimdark SHIELD-less world, and since we didn't get dark!Coulson in the Framework plotline this gives us a chance to see him now, but outside of the standard doppleganger/mind-controlled good guy/etc. setup.
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    Be better if He had came from a world where the Chitauri or some other threat had actually partially succeeded, maybe even a Shield-Hydra war in the open with heavy weaponary/destructive alien technology. Something that nearly destroyed everything, and forced That World's Phil to do some seriously evil/grimdark actions to win, like maybe even having to kill a member or more of his own team. Someone that has seriously had to make real tough choices like letting people die, having to take some out on the index whose power was threatening but the person was good; you know, real hard choices. Always seemed like they had set it up for Phil having to make hard calls, but the plot always made some kind of solution for him, where he didn't have to do something and live the consequence. I mean, he kills ward, but i didn't see him really do anything that drastic really or try to really come up with a justification to himself. He caught the terrigen crystal, but that would have killed everyone, so its more heroic in my view.

    I kinda dislike the usual comic-book heroic daysaves, like the Comic Book Heroes to get save the day, not have to deal with possibly sacrificing their principles for the cause. They get to stay the good guys and not do anything that conflicts with their principles. Especially with the even more annoying Joker Immunity style. Seriously, have some of these villains actually stay dead and that they don't get some plot save at the last minute and have it not be a Doom Bot.

    There should be more a feel that the Heroes really won, bringing back the Rogues gallery all the time all the same, just cheapens everything. I mean, why keep trying to fight the Joker, Batman? Just let him do whatever, the plot will make it work out in the end.

    Of course, Marvel will never do anything like that, and just trying to find more ways of Doom Boting the bad guys and Joker Immuning them, and of course making the Heroes be all Richard Reedsing as usual.
    Maybe thats way i really didn't get into of the superhero comics and was far more interested in the Conan the Barbarian ones.

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    o gawd.

    Can a show jump the shark in just one episode?



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    This is getting ridiculous. I don’t want to spend the entire season watching Jemma almost get Fitz back. Just get him back and get home to Earth. Having Fitz snatched away at the last second doesn’t raise any tension; it’s just tedious and contrived.


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    Also tedious. Tripping in an alien bar could be done right, but this wasn’t. Just embarrassing.

    The fight scenes were especially silly. We spent so much time getting Daisy to be an agent, and then move into leadership, and now she’s just comic relief. Which wasn’t even that comic.


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    Worst alien bar since Star Trek III.

    One reason I dislike this extended interstellar side quest is because they really can’t pull off a convincing interstellar environment. Their “aliens” are worse than most of the latex jobs we saw on ST:TNG, their ships are abysmal and the sets look like they were built in someone’s basement.

    It just seems so amateur, and even though AoS has always been a little on the low-budget side, this feels like they aren't even trying.


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    …needed 42 more minutes of screen time.

    I kept hoping we’d cut back to Earth for some quality time with Maxxson. Everything about the Fitz-in-space storyline is goofy and contrived; we did that last season and this feels like a lukewarm rehash.

    Instead I want more Mad Maxxson, because after last week’s episode I’m genuinely interested in who he is, where he came from and what he’s up to. There are real questions there, as opposed to the Fitz situation, which isn’t telling us anything new about anyone.


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    Not a fan of Fear and Loathing on Kitzen?

    Feels like they watched a few seasons of Farscape or something.
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    Alas, poor S.H.I.E.L.D. thread. Seems like not many people watching the new season.
    I watch it, but find it harder and harder to convince myself it's worth the time.
    There is not even much to laugh and joke about.

    Fitz arc goes nowhere
    Is it directing to the question of how he became a bounty hunter or whatever in the other timeline, or just an alternative action? either way, I don't seem to care.

    As for Coulson?
    Don't care who or what he is.
    People just can't stay dead in this show, regardless if it's technically him or not.

    May is still one of the only reasons to watch the show, but that's not enough to sustain it for long, especially with the not-Coulson thing.

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    I watch it, but find it harder and harder to convince myself it's worth the time.
    There is not even much to laugh and joke about
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    Yeah, I do feel this.

    And I agree that May has been sadly underused so far. She had one good fight scene last week, but didn't even appear in this episode.

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    Did we watch the same episode? There were so many gems in this one.

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    * Enoch's existential crisis.
    * "I think my parents were mice." "That makes sense."
    * "I'm tripping balls!"
    * Teddy bear Fitz
    * Simmons aiming Daisey's hand for her to quake with.

    Also an interesting revelation about the Chronicoms. Enoch is an archeologist and observer, but that doesn't mean his entire race is the same way. It seems they don't like it when people mess with the timeline.

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    Did we watch the same episode? There were so many gems in this one.

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    * Enoch's existential crisis.
    * "I think my parents were mice." "That makes sense."
    * "I'm tripping balls!"
    * Teddy bear Fitz
    * Simmons aiming Daisey's hand for her to quake with.

    Also an interesting revelation about the Chronicoms. Enoch is an archeologist and observer, but that doesn't mean his entire race is the same way. It seems they don't like it when people mess with the timeline.
    Gems and small funny moments can be found here and there.
    For me, it was how Enoch casually suggested working in the brothel to make money.

    However, small moments cannot stop the fact that I just don't care about the major issues anymore.
    I'm tired of the "the princess is in another castle" with Simmons and Fitz, three times in three episodes is just too much.
    The fact that the Chronicoms part is extended, just means that we'll get more of this, since it's not going to join the main plot soon.

    I'm also tired of having dramatic moments snatched from us just so we can use the same actor/character.

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    I'm tired of the "the princess is in another castle" with Simmons and Fitz, three times in three episodes is just too much.
    Definitely this. Get them back together and get them home, where the real fight's brewing.

    If only to spare me more of their schlocky alien spaceships with ludicrously slow missiles.

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    I got the impression that they were reincarnated.

    Crazy lady: <Murder, death, kill> "Now you are a butterfly."
    Coulson Clone: "Not everyone becomes a butterfly."

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    No, I think she's just crazy.

    Possibly a fractured psyche due to trauma from [Undisclosed Massive Plot Point], but still crazy.

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    I'm still enjoying Agents of SHIELD. Quake's new haircut looks awesome.

    Simmons being in Ravenclaw is the most obvious of obvious points.

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    Simmons being in Ravenclaw....
    ...isn't obvious to everyone. I couldn't really tell you what differentiates Ravenclaw from the others.

    I wouldn't expect a strong focus on science per se, but are they especially scholarsome or something? If so, then Hermione seems to have been mis-sorted.

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    ...isn't obvious to everyone. I couldn't really tell you what differentiates Ravenclaw from the others.

    I wouldn't expect a strong focus on science per se, but are they especially scholarsome or something? If so, then Hermione seems to have been mis-sorted.
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    As someone who's read 4 of the books and am adjacent to the fandom, the way I understand the houses are:

    Gryffindor: Bravery
    Ravenclaw: Smart
    Slytherin: Ambition
    Hufflepuff: Other Heart Loyalty

    Here's the Pottermore short snippets:
    Hufflepuffs value hard work, patience, loyalty, and fair play.
    Ravenclaws prize wit, learning, and wisdom.
    Gryffindor is the house which most values the virtues of courage, bravery and determination
    Slytherin... turns out leaders who are proud, ambitious and cunning.

    In my mind, Ravenclaws are bookish by far, which puts Simmons firmly there.

    Hermione's definitely a scholar and a bookish nerd, but she has a grit, determination, and feistiness that also belongs in Gryffindor.

    Hermione was probably on the edge of Ravenclaw/Gryffindor; similar to how the Sorting Hat was going to put Harry Potter into Slytherin before he basically begged the hat to go into Gryffindor because his friends went there.
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    So now we know what happened to Deek.

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    I missed this on Friday, and just watched it now.

    Gah. Deke. Why did it have to be Deke? I was happier just imagining that he'd winked out of existence.



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    Mac’s expression as he towered over Deke in front of the Daisy-sim.

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    Really, everything to do with the alien bat going down Keller’s throat, and how they dealt with him thereafter. And everything leading up to that, too.

    First, why isn’t there at least one assistant with the doctor? The S.H.I.E.L.D. base is pretty well-staffed at this point, they shouldn’t have problems with finding a medical assistant.

    More importantly, why wasn’t Keller immediately put into isolation? Before that, why wasn’t Simcoe’s body put into isolation? And for that matter, why didn’t someone have the presence of mind to re-stab the alien bat once it started twitching?

    Things just got ludicrous from there. For a super-secret, world-saving spy agency, no one was acting remotely professional.


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    Sequoia’s post about Agent Khan, with Mac and Deke arguing in the background.

    There were some nice comic touches this time around, but taken together they ended up detracting from what should have been an alien-horror vibe.


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    They really don’t work out too well, do they?

    It was mildly poignant when Yo-Yo has to stab Keller, but the moment was robbed of its greater impact because of how avoidable it all was. Not to mention the overall silliness quotient, which wasn't helped by everything to do with Deke.


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    I have to wonder how much farther that simulation goes.


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    I missed this on Friday, and just watched it now.

    Gah. Deke. Why did it have to be Deke? I was happier just imagining that he'd winked out of existence.



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    Mac’s expression as he towered over Deke in front of the Daisy-sim.

    And Deke's expression as Mac towered over him.


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    Really, everything to do with the alien bat going down Keller’s throat, and how they dealt with him thereafter. And everything leading up to that, too.

    First, why isn’t there at least one assistant with the doctor? The S.H.I.E.L.D. base is pretty well-staffed at this point, they shouldn’t have problems with finding a medical assistant.

    More importantly, why wasn’t Keller immediately put into isolation? Before that, why wasn’t Simcoe’s body put into isolation? And for that matter, why didn’t someone have the presence of mind to re-stab the alien bat once it started twitching?

    Things just got ludicrous from there. For a super-secret, world-saving spy agency, no one was acting remotely professional.


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    Sequoia’s post about Agent Khan, with Mac and Deke arguing in the background.

    There were some nice comic touches this time around, but taken together they ended up detracting from what should have been an alien-horror vibe.


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    They really don’t work out too well, do they?

    It was mildly poignant when Yo-Yo has to stab Keller, but the moment was robbed of its greater impact because of how avoidable it all was. Not to mention the overall silliness quotient, which wasn't helped by everything to do with Deke.


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    I have to wonder how much farther that simulation goes.

    I also groaned at Deke but honesstly i like what they did with him. When he was introduced I was worried he was gonna be a Star-Lord clone but he wasnt. Turning him into a silicon valley butthead was pretty well done, though I thought he was an actor on "Agents of SWORD the TV show" until Boobs!Dasiy showed up.
    Also, its funny that he clearly has a type.

    The alien bat....
    Ugh.
    Yoyo has FREAKING SUPER SPEED.

    I do feel like it was two episodes together that shouldnt have been put together.
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    The alien bat....
    Ugh.
    Yoyo has FREAKING SUPER SPEED
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    And not just super-speed, but metal arms. We've seen Yo-Yo scout an entire floor in an eyeblink, so running after the bat, grabbing it, and crushing it shouldn't have taken even that long.

    As for Deke's type, "needy and not that bright" seems to cover it.

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    My reaction haven't changed since thew start of the season:

    Meah, whatever, boring, cool fight scene with May, boring, wtf was that, whatever...
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    My reaction haven't changed since thew start of the season:

    Meah, whatever, boring, cool fight scene with May, boring, wtf was that, whatever...
    Sounds like you should just wait for a May fight scene compilation to be put together after the season ends.
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    Default Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. VII: The Heart Beats On

    I too enjoy the exceptional May fight scenes.

    However, there is a recurring and annoying motif in this show.

    May- the supposed bad ass- gets into a cool, long fight with enemy agent. Which ends with another enemy showing up and "capturing" May or ends with the enemy pulling a cheap trick to win, or ends with the enemy escaping due to some unforeseen and lucky happenstance.

    No matter what, it ends with May losing.

    Meanwhile, one of the male characters, often Mac who was never supposed to be that great of a fighter (he is a mechanic), has a parallel fight that they unequivocally and easily win.

    This happens.

    Over.

    and Over.

    and Over.
    "The monk hits you a shattering blow in the kidneys, luckily this fixes a long standing alignment issue with your spine, gain +10 Move"

    "The evil wizard fireballs you, since the weather has been nasty you are now pleasantly warm, gain immunity from fear effects and cold and necrotic damage "

    "The drow cleric smashes you in the skull with an adamantine mace, this jogs your memory, regain all your used spell slots for the day"

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