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    Oh and so the start is 10 years past base-start? okidoki.
    What's happened in those 10 years?
    How's the gates been fiddled with, what about exurgents? any more knowledge of the alien races that have come into contact with Transhumanity? etc. etc. All that important stuff. I doubt 'nothing' has happened in the last 10 years after all.


    Also will wait with charactersheet posting in the OOC until you give express permission, GM. Will answer the questionnaires then as well.
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    Alright, I have placeholders.

    Move your characters over there, with backstory and questions.

    I'm debating giving you guys Rez points for the questions, more over how much I want to give.
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    Also, as much as I'd like to have a book of what's happened in those 10 years. I just started this game a few weeks ago and I have a job. That'll be a work in progress as I come up with stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturnSolaris View Post
    Also, as much as I'd like to have a book of what's happened in those 10 years. I just started this game a few weeks ago and I have a job. That'll be a work in progress as I come up with stuff.
    So.... why not start the game at 10 AF as standard? or is that a secret? if so, then no more questions
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    Because, I needed time to progress. Look at the prologue.

    And, I will be adding information as we go. I'm kinda tired of the basic setting, since that's what I'm doing in my IRL group, and what I've done the last three times I ran. Thought this might be an interesting thought exercise.

    But, I'm likely not going to have a 2 - 300 page synopsis of everything that's changed or is new.
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    Sorry, I'll have to withdraw from this game, too many other commitments.

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    Ok, you can rejoin later on if you want. Seems to be that people drop like flies. I'll likely be re-recruiting periodically.
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    Hm, would you mind if I would include the questionaires in my PDF file?

    And I am not satisfied with the formating, if I have to be honest. The lack of enters in the questonaires makes it really hard to read (i have copied it all to my LibreOffice for editing, you know). I think that just a list, maybe in a single spoiler would be much more appreciated.

    But that is just my opinion, everyone is entitled to theirs :)

    EDIT: Two things

    1. It could take me some time to fill all these questions, how much time do we have?

    2. There is a questionaire slightly edited by me, if you will copy/paste the quotations, you will not encounter a "wall of text" :P :)
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    GM, I have posted charactersheet and answers to questionnaire, so let me know if there's anything I missed or something you want me to clarify on.
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    I set it up that way so it didn't take up half a page, or more. You can open a few tabs, close them, and then move on. And frankly, I didn't ask.

    On putting it on your PDF, sure, @spinningdice already did.

    You've got time, I have to put together a mission for my Shadowrun group. And do some other things for them. Like checking all their characters, cause 4 of the players are new and likely have no idea where to put points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemnon View Post
    GM, I have posted charactersheet and answers to questionnaire, so let me know if there's anything I missed or something you want me to clarify on.
    I mean, in the OOC of course.
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    My IRL group (one of them, atleast) dropped my Shadowrun game, they largely don't want to try anything new. They instead want to play a game that I have no real interest in.

    So, after doing all the work to outline a campaign for them and stating NPC's for the first two missions. I'm probably going to drop from the group. Since they wasted my time. Before telling me they weren't interested.

    In addition, my other Eclipse Phase is on hiatus, after one player moved out of the city, and another went to rehab.

    That means two things, I don't have another campaign to work on right now, since the other Eclipse Phase group has materials ready.

    Also, the time table should move up a bit, since now i only have this game to work on, at least for a couple of weeks.
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    I'll begin looking through characters, backstory and answers to the questionnaire later.

    I will be giving Rez Rewards, based on a combination of questions answered, and the quality of answers. People who do better work deserve better Rez, however, everyone get's Rez based on the questionnaire.

    I've had some minor blow back on the questionnaire. Both, on the format, and on the validity.

    I will be editing the questionnaire periodically, with time the format and questionnaire will be better. I have added spaces between SPOILER tags, based on input.

    The questionnaire shows commitment, gives potential plot/story hooks, and allows me to reward you for the work you've done.

    As far as how long this game will last; who knows? I'll try to keep it alive as long as possible. That may involve re-recruiting, and/or rebooting the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturnSolaris View Post
    I'll begin looking through characters, backstory and answers to the questionnaire later.

    I will be giving Rez Rewards, based on a combination of questions answered, and the quality of answers. People who do better work deserve better Rez, however, everyone get's Rez based on the questionnaire.

    I've had some minor blow back on the questionnaire. Both, on the format, and on the validity.

    I will be editing the questionnaire periodically, with time the format and questionnaire will be better. I have added spaces between SPOILER tags, based on input.

    The questionnaire shows commitment, gives potential plot/story hooks, and allows me to reward you for the work you've done.

    As far as how long this game will last; who knows? I'll try to keep it alive as long as possible. That may involve re-recruiting, and/or rebooting the game.
    I only skipped the optional question cuz... well, I felt it'd be best to keep sexual opinions and whatnot, personal and private. I'd rather stay focused on my character's thoughts and such, rather than what IRL-me thinks.
    Also why I asked for a review of my answers to see if there's something that would be good if I detailed out further.
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    Hey SaturnSolaris

    What's project Ozma? something our characters would know about?
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    They're a thing in the setting, left deliberately up in the air except that they're... probably antagonistic to Firewall and probably a hypercorp/gerontocrat black projects operation.

    Since I've always considered EP to be "Transhuman Delta Green" (informal, illegal security group with a "nuke it from orbit to be safe mindset" and a cell structure) I've always basically seen them as "Transhuman Majestic 12" (a state-based black project that seeks to use the bad tech for the needs of its owners)

    But in-character, unless the 10-year jump changes the status quo, the impression I get from the game's narrative, we maybe have heard the name as some sort of bogeyman. There's actually a long side-section in the Firewall sourcebook that discusses like twelve different things they might actually be.

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    ALL of the questions (minus one) are directed at the character, by you as a proxy. That is to say, it would probably be best to answer them in first person, from the viewpoint of the character.
    If you don't feel like answering the optional questions, that's OK, that's one of the reasons I was considering leaving it out, as stated. Answering them, will not get you that many more points, so it's really up to you.
    The current rate, is about 1/5 to 1/4 of a point per question, give or take any extras for quality.
    Also @Hemnon, that's one of the reasons I'm going over the questions. If I feel like something should be fleshed out more, I'll let you know.

    Project Ozma is a rival organization that is backed by the Hypercorps, and Planetary Consortium. Anything outside of that is left up to the GM.

    So, to use an analogy similar to @jolinaxas. Firewall is all of the UFO groups out there (MUFON, CUFOS, etc.), Project OZMA is all the government conspiracy black-budget groups (Military, CIA, FBI, M-12, etc.), and TITANs, Exsurgents, and other "Aliens and Unknowns" are all of the alien conspiracy stuff (Black Lodge, MIBs, Grays, Reptilians, etc.)

    In this timeline, they've hunted 100's of Firewall agents, and destabilized the organization, before, it managed to get back on it's feet again. SO, for firewall agents they wouldn't be a secret. Whether or not any of the claims presented in the books are true, or not, they would not know.
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    I answered every question (except the last one) with a mentality of my character, as if someone was answering relaying answered given by my character. hence the third person of: SAM thinks politics is studpid/Sam is wholey Equal Rights for all, since It's an AGI itself, etc. etc.

    Ahh cool, thanks. never had it mentioned in prior games I was part in, and didn't wanna actually spoil it for myself if it was like a 'gm only' section.
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    @Hemnon, could you do me a favor and breakdown where you're getting your positive traits. It looks like you're well over the limit of 55.

    Nevermind, Connected Package is giving you Patron. That lowers it to 45.
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    P.S. That whole back section is A GM only section.

    I'll give more info with time. Not that I'll know if you've read it, till you start meta-gaming, and depending on how good you are, I might not notice that.
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    @Hemnon, could you do me a favor and breakdown where you're getting your positive traits. It looks like you're well over the limit of 55.4

    Nevermind, Connected Package is giving you Patron. That lowers it to 45.
    Hah, yeah, I should have made a mention that patron was from a package.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaturnSolaris View Post
    P.S. That whole back section is A GM only section.

    I'll give more info with time. Not that I'll know if you've read it, till you start meta-gaming, and depending on how good you are, I might not notice that.
    Goodie, will stay away from that bit.
    Only parts I remember is that there's not really more than a basic-canon thing about what promethians and the TITANS are, etc. but also a 'well they could also be this, or this or this'. Which is a cool way to ensure even if you know the basic plot concept, you can still be surprised to learn that the Promethians might be the ACTUAL TITANS, that neither the TITANS nor the promethians actually exists or ever existed. The exsurgent Virus is what caused everything, but there were no seed AI going crazy. it's all conspiracy, etc. etc. etc.
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    The bold tag for Hardware: Electronics should be fixed.

    I think you should pick a more narrow specialization for Psychiatry. Something like, Biological Psychiatry, Cognition, Neuropsychiatry, or Social Psychiatry, but I'm a Psychology Nerd. My main problem is that "providing psychological Aid" covers most of what that skill does, in one way, or another. So, more specific wording would also work.

    The tags for Networking (Firewall), and Networking (Criminal) should be fixed. Firewall is I-Rep, Criminal is G-Rep.

    I think it's weird that you have Networking (Criminal), but no G-Rep. I also thought you were supposed to have some tie-in to the Hypercorps, but, I can see why you wouldn't have Networking or Rep, since it's more something you don't know about.

    You should look at your age, and timeline and fix it. It's 20 AF, you're older.

    Things to maybe expand on, Markov, Creator, When/Why did you join Firewall?, and/or What precipitated you joining Firewall?, Do you have any specific contacts not listed?, and anything else you might feel like expanding on.

    P.S. Did you read the text in the tabs or just answer the headers? There's a couple of questions, (like the personality typing question,) that kinda look like you just answered the header.

    And there is logic to religion. Maybe not all the internal workings, but there have been plenty of studies on why people have superstitious beliefs, and want to be a part of, and worship in religions.

    You can approach why people worship, from a logical standpoint.

    With the skills you have, you would understand that.
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    @bc56

    You don't have to buy blue-prints, with the open source nature of multiple factions, and, the co-operation between Firewall and the Argonauts. Blueprints are easy to get, and I'm probably going to say you have an open source catalog of blue-prints from Firewall, including most basic equipment. Some of the more expensive, rare, and illegal blueprints may be missing, however. I will eventually, provide a list of all of those blueprints.

    Outside of that, I don't really have anything else, after my initial look. Is there anything you want to expand on?

    (Other than the spoiler tag that got broken)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturnSolaris View Post
    @bc56

    You don't have to buy blue-prints, with the open source nature of multiple factions, and, the co-operation between Firewall and the Argonauts. Blueprints are easy to get, and I'm probably going to say you have an open source catalog of blue-prints from Firewall, including most basic equipment. Some of the more expensive, rare, and illegal blueprints may be missing, however. I will eventually, provide a list of all of those blueprints.
    Good to know. I'll wait to see the list before figuring out what blueprints I can get rid of and what I can keep.
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    Nothing upon initial look. Anything you want to expand on?
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    Anything you feel needs expansion in particular?

    Also, in the interest of full disclosure, I've read everything in most of the books, as I've GM'd this game quite a bit. But I like to think I can keep that sort of thing partitioned off. But if you decide to run one of the pre-genned adventures, I can bow out if requested.

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    @Hemnon

    The bold tag for Hardware: Electronics should be fixed.

    I think you should pick a more narrow specialization for Psychiatry. Something like, Biological Psychiatry, Cognition, Neuropsychiatry, or Social Psychiatry, but I'm a Psychology Nerd. My main problem is that "providing psychological Aid" covers most of what that skill does, in one way, or another. So, more specific wording would also work.

    The tags for Networking (Firewall), and Networking (Criminal) should be fixed. Firewall is I-Rep, Criminal is G-Rep.

    I think it's weird that you have Networking (Criminal), but no G-Rep. I also thought you were supposed to have some tie-in to the Hypercorps, but, I can see why you wouldn't have Networking or Rep, since it's more something you don't know about.

    You should look at your age, and timeline and fix it. It's 20 AF, you're older.

    Things to maybe expand on, Markov, Creator, When/Why did you join Firewall?, and/or What precipitated you joining Firewall?, Do you have any specific contacts not listed?, and anything else you might feel like expanding on.

    P.S. Did you read the text in the tabs or just answer the headers? There's a couple of questions, (like the personality typing question,) that kinda look like you just answered the header.

    And there is logic to religion. Maybe not all the internal workings, but there have been plenty of studies on why people have superstitious beliefs, and want to be a part of, and worship in religions.

    You can approach why people worship, from a logical standpoint.

    With the skills you have, you would understand that.
    Fixed it.

    I mean, it's as narrow-choiced as going with Assault Rifles for Kinetic Weapons, or Dogs for Animal Handling. Or what about Psychosurgery? I can pick Psychotherapy for it as a specialization which is a core function of using it to help remove phobias, mental damages, etc. The specialization isn't active if my character would try to use the Psychology skill to build a psychological profile, ascertain someone's psychological condition, etc. It's only actual for when used as part of the roll to help heal stress and insanity-points and such. What'd be more narrow, compared to other skills? All the other skills are about as narrowed as my choice is.... So, I don't see what the issue is, but that's primarily because it's an irritation that there's no active examples for the Knowledge Skills.
    Would geriatric psychiatrist be a fitting specialization? As in works with dealing with mental disorders and help people avoid developing them through preventive treatments and such.

    Fixed it.

    Yeah, I sorta just didn't want to be connected with the Hypercorps. Backstory is a bit different from original mindset. The reason why my character got the networking for Criminals, is because SAM knows a little bit about HOW to come into contact with the criminal elements, but doesn't have any rep with them, because SAM haven't any active reputation with them.... yet.

    Fixed it.

    Markov is a canon station in the Kuiper Belt already. It's an Argonaut-run station. Page 109 in core rules.
    Didn't really wish to over-detail my character's Creator, since I'd like to leave details and such up to you, in terms of possible plothook-use and such. If you want me to detail my character's creator out further, I can do so, sure.
    Ahh, good question, as for the when my character joined Firewall... I should really detail out on that.
    You want me to list contacts? I mean, it's that what a mix of rep and networking is meant to represent? as in 'I know a guy' *Rolls* 'oh he is not available atm'?

    Yes I did indeed read the spoilers to see what specifically the question contained. Did I not do so somewhere? I just didn't want to overspam with too much, since overdetailing stuff can mean you write yourself into a corner.... which sucks.
    Could you point out the specific questions that seem lackluster? like question 11a, or question 14g, etc?

    Aw come on, are you really gonna critique my character's choice of not seeing logic in religion? SAM just doesn't see the logic that will make a religion functional, since there's so many holes and lack of evidence that makes almost all religions... faulty.

    Oh yeah, of course. It's part of psychology. Some people have a need to believe in something more, a reason for living, some higher power to explain why we must live in a flawed world, etc. etc. There can be a logical reason for why a person would worship something. But your question in the questionnaire was if my character was religious. and hence why i answered no and detailed out why.
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    You've got Medicine: Psychiatry
    Psychosurgery
    Academics: Neuroscience
    Academics: Psychology
    And, Profession: Psychotherapy

    Usually, Psychiatry covers Psychiatric Medicine and Psychotherapy (without getting into different specializations in the field). However, Psychotherapy is it's own skill.

    With complementary skills, you're getting bonuses on most uses of Psychiatry.

    But, that's the problem, most of those uses would go under a different skill. And most of the uses for Psychiatry that I've seen in the book involve rendering aid.

    It's not as specific as going ARs for kinetic weapons, because there's at least 5 other weapons in that category. It's not covering 80% of the skill.

    Now say you take pistols, and then only ever use pistols, then we get another problem. Where you're using the specialization 100% of the time.

    Add to that whoever (plural) put together the rules for this system, gave no examples for medicine specializations. And, obviously kinda just had a basic understanding of psychology, or was told to keep it simple. All kinds of problems arise.

    So, let's say that providing psychological aid, involves any uses for Psychotherapy. Now your getting both complementary and specialization bonuses for that use.

    Which I guess isn't that bad. But if I were to say to do something about it.

    Just specialize in psychiatric medicine.
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    And on the religion thing, I know what the question asks, I know what I intended to ask. Some of the questions need some wording changes, or some tag on questions.

    It's not really that big of a problem. Given what the questionnaire asked. It just came off as hurr Durr religions dumb, which doesn't seem like it would fit your character. Which is why I said something.

    The only one I have a real problem with is that the Astronomy question wasn't just about Astronomy, it was about personality typing in general.

    Transhuman introduced a mechanism to have people sit at the table and write down some contacts. So asking about contacts isn't out of left field. It gives you a few more fleshed out contacts the player has dealt with, while still allowing for, "oh, I know a guy," scenarios.

    I'll have to look back through on what you've said about your creator, I'm looking more for who you see them as, to get the ball rolling on my end.

    And, I'm looking for more info on your time on Markov, than about the station itself. Though I should have been more specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaturnSolaris View Post
    @Hemnon

    You've got Medicine: Psychiatry
    Psychosurgery
    Academics: Neuroscience
    Academics: Psychology
    And, Profession: Psychotherapy

    Usually, Psychiatry covers Psychiatric Medicine and Psychotherapy (without getting into different specializations in the field). However, Psychotherapy is it's own skill.

    With complementary skills, you're getting bonuses on most uses of Psychiatry.

    But, that's the problem, most of those uses would go under a different skill. And most of the uses for Psychiatry that I've seen in the book involve rendering aid.

    It's not as specific as going ARs for kinetic weapons, because there's at least 5 other weapons in that category. It's not covering 80% of the skill.

    Now say you take pistols, and then only ever use pistols, then we get another problem. Where you're using the specialization 100% of the time.

    Add to that whoever (plural) put together the rules for this system, gave no examples for medicine specializations. And, obviously kinda just had a basic understanding of psychology. All kinds of problems arise.

    So, let's say that providing psychological aid, involves any uses for Psychotherapy. Now your getting both complementary and specialization bonuses for that use.

    Which I guess isn't that bad. But if I were to say to do something about it.

    Just specialize in psychiatric medicine.
    It was why I'd like to ask for specific examples that'd be 'as appropriate to the chosen field'. Because I cannot see what else Psychiatry can cover besides. I'd like something that deals specifically with the act of healing the mind. Like 'practical psychiatry', not the theoretical stuff. But the act of aiding in the healing of the mind, be they AGI, Animal Uplift or Transhuman. The cognitive functionality is fairly similar in all, since AIs are on some basis created on the template of a human mind, even the most menial fabrication-controller AIs still have a memory software designed on what is a known concept: the human mind. Uplifted Animals are fairly close to it as well, albeit with a higher differential in their own unique background and instinctual leftovers.

    So PSychiatric Medicine is acceptable? as in the practice and use of it?


    Quote Originally Posted by SaturnSolaris View Post
    And on the religion thing, I know what the question asks, I know what I intended to ask. Some of the questions need some wording changes, or some tag on questions.

    It's not really that big of a problem. Given what the questionnaire asked. It just came off as hurr Durr religions dumb, which doesn't seem like it would fit your character. Which is why I said something.
    Well the concept of believing in something that requires you to take it 'on faith' is something that is alien to SAM. the concept of doing it. Not the act or need to do it, that's something SAM can understand. it's merely the personal outlook on it. And yes it mirrors my own view on it, but that's got nothing to do with Roleplaying faith. I love to Roleplay stuff like being a Cleric or Paladin or a cultist of something.
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