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    Heya. Just finished season 1. It's a great show so far and I am looking forward watching more of it.

    One thing I wanted to point out though.

    I love shows where the style and personality of factions happen to flip when you look at their overall impact in the world. For example, the Jedi and Siths are in actions, Appollonians and Dyonisians, respectively (one side emphasize self disciple, the other side is about indulging your desires) .

    However, when you look at their systems of government and leadership, Jedi become Dyonisians and Siths are Appollonians (one side is about compromise and coexistence, the other are about tyranny and power centralization).

    I feel like the Rebellion/Horde power relationship is a complete mirror of Catra/She Ra.

    The Horde is basically a juggernaut. Except in certain circumstances, the Rebellion is usually completely outclassed by its military might and has to use stratagems and stealth to defeat it.

    Now look at She Ra vs Catra. She Ra completely outclasses the Force Captain at a degree that its not even funny. To compete against her, Catra has to distract her, stealth around, use delay tactics, etc..

    Just found that interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr View Post
    Heya. Just finished season 1. It's a great show so far and I am looking forward watching more of it.

    One thing I wanted to point out though.

    I love shows where the style and personality of factions happen to flip when you look at their overall impact in the world. For example, the Jedi and Siths are in actions, Appollonians and Dyonisians, respectively (one side emphasize self disciple, the other side is about indulging your desires) .

    However, when you look at their systems of government and leadership, Jedi become Dyonisians and Siths are Appollonians (one side is about compromise and coexistence, the other are about tyranny and power centralization).

    I feel like the Rebellion/Horde power relationship is a complete mirror of Catra/She Ra.

    The Horde is basically a juggernaut. Except in certain circumstances, the Rebellion is usually completely outclassed by its military might and has to use stratagems and stealth to defeat it.

    Now look at She Ra vs Catra. She Ra completely outclasses the Force Captain at a degree that its not even funny. To compete against her, Catra has to distract her, stealth around, use delay tactics, etc..

    Just found that interesting.
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    Wait what? I'm not sure you're flipped style looks right. Yes, Jedi are the strict discipline order supporting a system of freedom and diversity. However, Sith are only nominally about freedom, as the Sith whose the Master seems to put down a fairly heavy foot. You speak as if there's a lot of this sort of thing, but I don't think Jedi/Sith are the best, nor can I think of other examples, except all the times the villains or dictators convince the world they are the heroes and the saviors and the heroes are the dastardly evildoers. Misinformation aside, usually what you see on the inside is the affect you get on the outside.

    Also, while the Horde, by name and with its huge supply of robots, seems strong, but the princesses are actually personally stronger than most of the Horde's forces, with only Shadowweaver and Catra having the potential to go one-on-one. Bright Moon is said to be too strong, and we see from the final that when the Alliance comes together they are simply more powerful than what the Horde throws at them. The Alliance attacks plenty of times from a position of strength, as does the Horde. The Horde also doesn't have a monopoly on stealth. The group sneaks into the Fright Zone!

    I'd add Season 2 spoilers to support this, but you indicated you haven't watched that far. Suffice to say, I don't see a clear trend of either side favoring strength or stealth, although Catra has that underhanded villainess thing going on and Adora is certainly the naive straight fighting sort of Warrior (which doesn't mean she can't sneak around). These are just classic villain/hero tropes.

    There's a lot of interesting themes in this She-ra, but I'm pretty sure inverted external/internal styles is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    Tiny Bow will be avenged!

    Wait what? I'm not sure you're flipped style looks right. Yes, Jedi are the strict discipline order supporting a system of freedom and diversity. However, Sith are only nominally about freedom, as the Sith whose the Master seems to put down a fairly heavy foot.
    I am not going to argue this with you if you can't be bothered to properly read my post.

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    *cough* in your terms, yes Jedi are stylistically Appollonians supporting a more Dyonisian regime. However, Sith are only Dyonisian if you don't consider how authoritarian and manipulative Darth Sidious is. Also, Sith are all about giving into anger and other dark and violent impulses, but eh, that fits the Nietzschean duality you're giving (although I'm not sure it fits what you call Dyonisian).

    This specific duality you don't see in She-ra so I'm not sure why you decided to go Greek in the first place, and I don't see the strength/stealth duality being all that strong, let alone flipped in the way you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    I'd add Season 2 spoilers to support this, but you indicated you haven't watched that far. Suffice to say, I don't see a clear trend of either side favoring strength or stealth, although Catra has that underhanded villainess thing going on and Adora is certainly the naive straight fighting sort of Warrior (which doesn't mean she can't sneak around). These are just classic villain/hero tropes.
    I wouldn't quite call Adora the naive straight fighter.
    She's the naive gay fighter.

    But seriously, she's actually less naive than most of her companions because she seems to recognize the danger the Horde and Catra pose more than everyone else, at least in the Roll with it episode. And she's not a straight fighter either because she's got military experience and knows how to use it. She doesn't go around challenging people to a duel, even if she spends most of her time fighting against the bigger threats. She plans like a military tactician, strategizing what is best to do in a given situation. And it just so happens that what is usually best is for her to go in big to get everyone's attention so her allies can do what they do best without being focused.
    She's the party tank, basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    *cough* in your terms, yes Jedi are stylistically Appollonians supporting a more Dyonisian regime. However, Sith are only Dyonisian if you don't consider how authoritarian and manipulative Darth Sidious is.
    The only reason you would say that is if you purposely did not read the part where I expressedly wrote that their inclinations switch around when it comes to group organisations; since Siths are Tyrannical and Jedi are Democratic.

    I mean, that was the entire bloody argument. How the hell did you managed to just focus on the first two sentences and ignore everything else?! Are you so stuck up on correcting someone after half a paragraph you stop reading after?

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    This specific duality you don't see in She-ra so I'm not sure why you decided to go Greek in the first place, and I don't see the strength/stealth duality being all that strong, let alone flipped in the way you're talking about.
    I decided to "go Greek" only for the Jedi/Sith dichotomy. The point I was making, if you had tried to read it instead of skimming it, is that I like swapping thematics. The Greek thingy was the thematic basis for the Jedi/Sith, while for She-Ra it was entirely about Power/Subversion.

    It's not displayed any better than the season 1 finale. The Horde kicks ass everywhere She Ra isn't until the Princesses arrive. Cathra has to distract She Ra to win the fight. Swapping thematics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr View Post
    It's not displayed any better than the season 1 finale. The Horde kicks ass everywhere She Ra isn't until the Princesses arrive. Cathra has to distract She Ra to win the fight. Swapping thematics.
    Adora is too easily distracted. Put those eye blockers that coach-pulling horses have so she can tunnel vision on Catra.

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    Been corrupting my nice and nephew today by binging the series again. Still as good the second time around.



    Had a brief skim around for fanfic (since niece is sleeping in the front room, wherein the telly is). Looked at both Fanfic and Ao3 and there wasn't a single thing that looked appealing. Disappointingly, the usual gamut (with the vast majority of stories being Adora/Catra shipping). Was kinda hoping for something, y'know adventure-y, but not chance of that, seems like.
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    Bow's Dad's moustache makes me ask questions about his infatuation with Sea Hawk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Hall View Post
    Bow's Dad's moustache makes me ask questions about his infatuation with Sea Hawk.
    Seahaw is the action dad he never had, except he can kiss him and it's not weird. That's great!

    Also god I just thought of Seahawk meeting Bow's parents and it would be... basically awful, since I'm pretty sure Seahawk's gungho ADVENTAH! attitude is counter to Bow's parents completely.


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    Bow's Dad's moustache makes me ask questions about his infatuation with Sea Hawk.
    Well, according to Freudian psychology, everyone secretly wants to boop their parents and instinctively look for partners that are physically and/or mentally similar.



    Of course, Freud was a hack and got almost everything wrong, so take that with a grain of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestia View Post
    Well, according to Freudian psychology, everyone secretly wants to boop their parents and instinctively look for partners that are physically and/or mentally similar.



    Of course, Freud was a hack and got almost everything wrong, so take that with a grain of salt.
    Freud was wrong as **** but "Mom I can hug" and "Dad I can kiss" are two pretty relatable feelings, I think. Not from my part, but just a general pulse I'm feeling looking at the world and people in it.


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    Bow's Dad's moustache makes me ask questions about his infatuation with Sea Hawk.
    This could be true.

    Another thing it may be is one of Bow's dad's looks like Bow's 80 outfit appearance, same type of heart and everything. Instead of showering Bow's abs his dad's outfit has a different color there. That same dad also has an 80's How's mustache just like Sea Hawk does.
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