How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?

**understatement** · 2019-05-02, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)

If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, jump to bottom*

With that brand of title established, I'd just sprinkle in some RP for flavor:

you are a LG dwarf ~~cleric~~student of Thor. You've been tasked by your teacher~~Thor~~ to write a 25-word thesis to a fellow student to persuade him of the secrets of the Dark One and the Snarl in an endeavor to save the world. Your classmate happens to be a LE goblin cleric. You are sending to him because a) Sending is a lower spell level for clerics than for wizards, so you can prepare it more and b) you're the one with firsthand knowledge of what exactly the Snarl entails.

What you know about him:
He's LE (or Evil, at the very least) and sacked Azure City
He is Xykon's right-hand goblin
He one-shotted Hinjo
He doesn't know what you know from your god
He has access to the ritual that can transport the Snarl

What he knows about you:
he's probably only seen you once in this strip
he practically only recognizes Greenhilt as the face of the OOTS; the rest he couldn't care less

What you don't know about him:
his sunk-cost fallacy mindset
Team Evil's contentious relationship
he and Xykon are at very different goals

What he doesn't know about you:
your meaty development with the rest of the Order

Grading rubric includes:
Dark One
Snarl
4-color quiddity
TDO won't survive to the next cycle from the belief/worshipper/dedication pyramid
Enough to hook in a response

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*In short, how would you, as Durkon, send a Sending(s) to Redcloak to agree on some form of alliance for sealing the rift?

**KorvinStarmast** · 2019-05-02, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)

Your title is asking for a thesis, but the question asks for either an abstract (usually 200 words) or even 'a sales pitch' given that the limit is 25 words. Also "an elevator pitch" in terms of constraints.

I can help you and the Dark One. The gate is not what it seems. Let's work together, or the world and your deity end.

That's 25 words.

If nothing else, it probably gets his interest up. Quiddity is advanced material, and the topic of a later sending.

**Grey_Wolf_c** · 2019-05-02, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)

The gods voted to destroy the world to stop the Snarl. If they do, yours will starve before the next world is ready. Let’s meet

**Jasdoif** · 2019-05-02, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)

"Tired of us fighting? Let us meet to show how only YOU can prevent Snarl-mageddon; and then save the world and the Dark One, too."

**Peelee** · 2019-05-02, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)

Deities hate him! Find out how this dwarven cleric figured out how to get them to cooperate with The Dark One with one simple trick!

**Riftwolf** · 2019-05-02, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

Deities hate him! Find out how this dwarven cleric figured out how to get them to cooperate with The Dark One with one simple trick!

Would the buzzfeed link count as one word for Sending?

**The_Weirdo** · 2019-05-02, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)

Hi, Redcloak. Ever since I saw you, with your green skin and your fangs, it was a critical hit in my feels. Let's meet.

**Peelee** · 2019-05-02, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by The_Weirdo

Hi, Redcloak. Ever since I saw you, with your green skin and your fangs, it was a critical hit in my feels. Let's meet.

Redcloak's reply: Local singles are available in your area! Sendings available for only one hundred gold for the first scroll, and seventy gold for every additional scroll!

**The Pilgrim** · 2019-05-02, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)

We destroyed Xykon. Collaborate with me or eat lightning hammer. Perhaps next bearer of Crimson Mantle will be more reasonable. I have five words left.

**Peelee** · 2019-05-02, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by The Pilgrim

We destroyed Xykon. Collaborate with me or eat lightning hammer. Perhaps next bearer of Crimson Mantle will be more reasonable. I have five words left.

Spoiler: Redcloak's reply:

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**CriticalFailure** · 2019-05-02, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)

"Snarl destroyed millions of worlds. Dark One won't survive recreation time if Snarl gets loose. Cannot permanently trap Snarl without him. Thor requests negotiations."

**The Pilgrim** · 2019-05-03, 02:11 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

Spoiler: Redcloak's reply:

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It's difficult to word a reply when you have a Hammer of Thunderbolts stuck in your mouth.

**Lvl45DM!** · 2019-05-03, 03:14 AM (ISO 8601)

The Dark One and the other gods can save the world from the Snarl, Thor wants to deal and thinks his name is totally metal.

OR

Thor likes the Dark One and wants to be friends does he like him please tick yes or no

**Wizard_Lizard** · 2019-05-03, 03:34 AM (ISO 8601)

You can make sending lnger by neglecting soaces.
make everything one word.

**Peelee** · 2019-05-03, 07:04 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by The Pilgrim

It's difficult to word a reply when you have a Hammer of Thunderbolts stuck in your mouth.

I don't quite think the Sending would be necessary in that instance....

**The Pilgrim** · 2019-05-03, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

I don't quite think the Sending would be necessary in that instance....

Dwarves are practical people. A proper dwarf shouldn't waste resources in a sending spell for an enemy unless he makes damn sure the receiver is going to Listen.

**Fyraltari** · 2019-05-03, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by The Pilgrim

It's difficult to word a reply when you have a Hammer of Thunderbolts stuck in your mouth.

Spoiler: Redcloak's reply

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He's what, half a dozen levels above Durkon?

**hamishspence** · 2019-05-03, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)

4 levels. He recently turned 17th level, and Durkon is now 13th level.

That said, he may have levelled since then, in Monster Hollow.

**Kish** · 2019-05-03, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)

I am bemused that the Pilgrim is pushing "forget the whole diplomacy thing, just beat the greenskin into submission or death" so hard.

There are lots of people on this forum I would have expected that from, but not previously him.

**The Pilgrim** · 2019-05-03, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Fyraltari

Spoiler: Redcloak's reply

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He's what, half a dozen levels above Durkon?

Redcloak is a primary spellcaster cleric, he is zero focused in melee. Durkon is the opposite. O-Chul managed to overpower him naked and with nothing but an improvised weapon, by catching him by surprise*. A Durkon backed by the rest of the Order would be able to overpower him easily.

Of course the scenario of "the Order destroys Xykon then overpowers Redcloak and forces him to listen" doesn't makes for a great story (the one that would is Durkon's proposal driving a wedge in the already measly alliance between Redcloak and Xykon). But if we are discussing what would hypotetically be Durkon's best scenario, in my oppinion this one is it. Specially taking into considetation that, from the Order's perspective, Redcloak is nothing but Xykon's subdued lackey (see the fight at the dream sequence).

* By the way, it is interesting that Redcloak is now drawn wearing heavy armor, until now he had been wearking just a robe. Perhaps after the affair with O-Chul he has decided to invest more in physical protection.

**Fyraltari** · 2019-05-03, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by The Pilgrim

Redcloak is a primary spellcaster cleric, he is zero focused in melee. Durkon is the opposite. O-Chul managed to overpower him naked and with nothing but an improvised weapon, by catching him by surprise*. A Durkon backed by the rest of the Order would be able to overpower him easily.

Of course the scenario of "the Order destroys Xykon then overpowers Redcloak and forces him to listen" doesn't makes for a great story (the one that would is Durkon's proposal driving a wedge in the already measly alliance between Redcloak and Xykon). But if we are discussing what would hypotetically be Durkon's best scenario, in my oppinion this one is it.

* By the way, it is interesting that Redcloak is now drawn wearing heavy armor, until now he had been wearking just a robe. Perhaps after the affair with O-Chul he has decided to invest more in physical protection.

Redcloak has always been wearing armor. He mentions it back in Start of Darkness.

**Tvtyrant** · 2019-05-03, 02:15 PM (ISO 8601)

Use German or Dutch, make the 25 words a few hundred characters long by combining all of the nouns. TheDarkOneHopeoftheWorldduetoHisQualia needs to help stop the Snarltrappedbythedifferentiatedqualiaofdivinepanth eons.

**Grey_Wolf_c** · 2019-05-03, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by The Pilgrim

Redcloak is now drawn wearing heavy armor, until now he had been wearing just a robe.

He might have been wearing a robe because he was in a secure tower, in the middle of his city, on a regular day, and armour is uncomfortable as daily wear. Druids-jumping-from-potted-plants notwithstanding.

Grey Wolf

**The Pilgrim** · 2019-05-03, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Kish

I am bemused that the Pilgrim is pushing "forget the whole diplomacy thing, just beat the greenskin into submission or death" so hard.

There are lots of people on this forum I would have expected that from, but not previously him.

"To a ~~man~~ dwarf with a hammer, all problems looks like nails."

**hamishspence** · 2019-05-03, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c

He might have been wearing a robe because he was in a secure tower, in the middle of his city, on a regular day, and armour is uncomfortable as daily wear. Druids-jumping-from-potted-plants notwithstanding.

In SoD, Redcloak, when asked "why are you called that" responds sarcastically "because I wear black armour" and he looks exactly as he does in all the books prior to this one.

It might be lighter than his current suit though. Leather rather than plate.

**The Pilgrim** · 2019-05-03, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by hamishspence

In SoD, Redcloak, when asked "why are you called that" responds sarcastically "because I wear black armour" and he looks exactly as he does in all the books prior to this one.

It might be lighter than his current suit though. Leather rather than plate.

Didn't noticed that before. Well, hooray for the Art Upgrade.

**Grey_Wolf_c** · 2019-05-03, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by hamishspence

In SoD, Redcloak, when asked "why are you called that" responds sarcastically "because I wear black armour" and he looks exactly as he does in all the books prior to this one.

It might be lighter than his current suit though. Leather rather than plate.

Yes, I don't disagree. I'm just saying O-Chul might have caught him in a day when he was really just wearing robes because he wasn't kitted out for adventure.

Grey Wolf

**understatement** · 2019-05-03, 03:38 PM (ISO 8601)

I think he -- along with Xykon -- is not given any melee attributes because you'd want your biggest, baddest villains to be somewhat detached from the thick of the conflict. (previously the comic also has had its share of melee villains) You're not going to get Xykon attempting to use paralyzing touch at every turn; as a BBEG he's flying and throwing down spells. Same with Redcloak. You want the heroes to reach the villains through whatever they throw at you, not the other away around.

For my hypothetical Sending:

Spoiler

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Cleric of Thor of Order of the Stick. Have info on Dark One and the Snarl's rifts. Dark One won't survive this world destruction. Coordinate?

**CriticalFailure** · 2019-05-03, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)

Pretty sure he was wearing his usual outfit (armor, though the shoulder pads aren't there in the old art) when O-Chul stabbed him.

I wonder if it would occur to said dwarf cleric to mention how there have been many worlds. Redcloak would be likely to believe the other gods conspired to hide it and it's convincing evidence that there is more going on than TDO understands.

**Goblin_Priest** · 2019-05-03, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)

Roses are red
violets are blue
your plan will end up with the dark one dead
I want to save goblins and you do too.

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