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2019-05-19, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
MitD knew her, and he might have told O-Chul about her.
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2019-05-19, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Use Vaaruvius' Greater Animal Messenger to send a message, and attach a physical letter as well for safety. Make sure to have the outside of the letter say it's from Gobbotopia Administration or something to guarentee Xykon won't want to read it but Redcloak will. Include honorifics too.
Praise be unto Tha Dark One, who stands as a hope to us all!
Praise be unto Redcloak, who bears tha Crimson Mantle!
Dear Redcloak,
Sorry aboot tha deception, but something big has come up in tha Outer Planes. Thor believes that Tha Dark One may be vital to saving tha world from tha Snarl. Cannae say much here, but Thor's willin' to talk an' listen if The Dark One is. Accordin' ta what he told me, it shouldn't be difficult, but does need cooperation.
If ye dinnae have a problem wit' diplomacy, please use enclosed scroll to send reply. Wit' any luck, this'll work, an' Tha Dark One will get full pantheon starting recognition.
Sincerely,
Durkon Thundershield, Priest o' Thor
Enclosed scroll could be any of the various 'send message to someone far away' spells, though most likely Sending. It shows that they're at least invested enough to pay his expenses.
Or, more on topic, here's a Sending-only version:
Thor reqeusts divine ceasefire. Willing to talk with The Dark One. Can save world and give goblins Pantheon. Is diplomacy a possibility on this matter?Currently looking for: Something crunchy
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2019-05-19, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
This to me looks the best so far, but I think more on the fact that for RedClock is a "win-win" situation:
- threat the old Gods with the snarl and negotiate better condition, or
- destroy the world and be part of the rebuilding process.
Now, the second is the one Thor discourage (because Dark one might not survive recreation time); But Dark One hasn't to threat them with a fully working portal: seems it is already worked. Red Clock has the equivalent of the nuclear deterrent. My message would be:
"North pantheon wants to discuss treaty with the Dark One, I'm their emissary, I've intelligence to share. Suspend hostility"
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2019-05-22, 05:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
The problem with these sorts of messages (practically all of what I"m seeing), is that it uses Redcloak as a way to try to reach the Dark One. That isn't the point. The Dark One is supposedly a lost cause. What Thor suggested is not that Durkon reaches out to Redcloak to convince the Dark One to alter his plans, but to reach out to Redcloak to convince Redcloak to abandon his path and contain the Snarl.
That's a good deal harder to do in 25 words than simply try to open a dialogue. By the way, from what we're told, any attempt to open a dialogue would be interpreted as a trick.
So in 25 words are less, instead of trying to start a parley, simply convinced Redcloak to abandon his god's purpose, stop what he's doing, reverse course completely, and contain the Snarl along with a complete stranger he only knows as his mortal enemy.
One last detail, Redcloak is the guy who is still has all of goblin-kind toady-ing to Xykon because of all the sunk costs there. This is a priest who has a history of choosing a path and a willingness to stick to it even if it means.Spoiler: Start of Darkness End Spoilerskilling his only family
I'm sure you'll find it a lot easier now that you know your task is to convince the most fanatic of the Dark One's followers to completely do a 180 on his whole divine mission thing, the mission he's already sacrificed so much to accomplish.The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2019-05-22, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Exactly. Redcloak would see any attempt at diplomacy as a trick, because
Spoiler: Start of Darkness SpoilersThe Dark One tried negotiating a non-violent solution before, only to be stabbed in the back for it.
Redcloak would likely view any attempt at "diplomacy" by Durkon in this light.
I think the ideal solution is to frame cooperation as a way to cut out Xykon; an argument that appeals to the good of Goblinkind will be seen as a trick, but one that presents the possibility of Xykon being taken out of the picture while still allowing room for The Plan's ultimate objective might be seen more favorably by Redcloak.Last edited by The Aboleth; 2019-05-22 at 12:10 PM.
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2019-05-22, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-05-22, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Or, on a perhaps more serious/comprehensible note, could you send in a mutually understood agglutinative language if any exist, like real-world Hungarian or Turkish? You can get single words that have as much density of meaning as a sentence in an isolating language like real-world English and OOTSverse common.
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2019-05-22, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
I may be dating myself here, but that reminds me of this commercial:
https://youtu.be/9JxhTnWrKYs
As for if Sending would allow that, I feel like there's some sort of "stupid God rule" (as Thor would say) preventing that. As a DM...I'd allow it once for comedic reasons and then ban it after.Last edited by The Aboleth; 2019-05-22 at 10:47 PM.
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2019-05-23, 04:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
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2019-05-23, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
I think the person who responded to you was basically agreeing with your point, but instead of neglecting spaces they posited that perhaps another language could be used because certain ones have extremely long words that convey entire ideas/meanings. I'm not an expert on languages, so I could be wrong, but that's what I took away from the post.
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2019-05-23, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Unfortunately, the people who designed the rules for D&D seem to assume that all foreign languages are just English, with different words in a slightly different order, and maybe a different way of writing.
Spoiler: Hat Tip Tom Scott Language Files
I understand that in the translation of the rules to other languages, the translators effectively throw up their hands in the air and say, for spells such as Command, that it's up to the DM to choose whether to allow the spell to be completely broken in the local language, or to enforce "magic speaks English" rules.
Grey WolfLast edited by Grey_Wolf_c; 2019-05-23 at 11:20 AM.
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2019-05-23, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-05-23, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Just change it from e.g. "25 words" to "significantly smaller number of noun phrases and/or main verbs". Problem solved after some balancing, plus you have everyone at the table doing syntactic analysis, so it's win-win.
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2019-05-23, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
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2019-05-24, 03:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-25, 10:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Heeeeeyyyyyyy....
The universe is like, still really big right? (I think aliens are mostly a non-issue though given the Gods focus on this one)
But, in theory, the Snarl cannot travel at faster than light speed without a destination (implied or otherwise) and will not actively seek out a specific source of life, just things in general (maybe just sources of Deific energy?). Therefore, by moving it to the outermost area of the Outer Planes, the Snarl will spend its time devouring everything in the Outer Planes before moving onto the Material Plane, meaning that there is plenty of time for RC and everyone else to live, grow old, and die before the Snarl gets there. Problem solved!
...10 points if you manage to convince me that's the ultimate Neutral action instead of the ultimate Evil one.Last edited by Squire Doodad; 2019-05-25 at 10:36 PM.
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2019-05-26, 02:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-26, 05:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
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2019-05-26, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-26, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-26, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Here’s my attempt. Requires three Sendings, and for the Order to talk the gods into being willing to offer a lot more than they’re currently offering. Assumes (possibly incorrectly) that Durkon is somewhat aware of Redcloak’s grievances.
Gods are aware of Plan to threaten to release Snarl on Outer Planes. Threats are not necessary to gain goblinoid equality.
Gods are willing to make major concessions in return for Dark One’s assistance in containing Snarl. If world is destroyed, the Dark One won’t survive.
Meet to discuss?Last edited by LadyEowyn; 2019-05-26 at 08:20 AM.
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2019-05-26, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Speaking of OotS religion and Snarl, don't forget the infernal trio running their own plot to seemingly destroy all good gods (and maybe all the gods).
Which also raises the question if the infernals (and angels and whatnot) are also aware of the whole "zillion worlds destroyed".
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2019-05-26, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
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2019-05-26, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
They still know about the snarl which they shouldn't, so their memories either weren't wiped properly or they've found about it through other means. One way or the other, they may be aware of the zillion destructions as well now.
This is, if Thor is willing to share that intel with Durkon, certainly some evil god could've spilled the beans to some villain.
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2019-05-26, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-26, 01:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
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2019-05-26, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
However they found out about the world-within in-between appearances when Sabine did not, so they have a second source of intel.
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2019-05-26, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
They've been watching V.
On topic, if we assume that RC is rational and that RC could convince TDO if given sufficient information and a proper pitch, I'd just say that I have more information about the gates that might complicate the plan, and meet to parley. Of course, if that tactic had a chance of working, some god would just send a messenger to RC directly and cut out the need for Durkon.
As it stands, with TDO being understandably paranoid and RC having a massive sunk cost fallacy going on, something's going to have to break him first.
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2019-05-26, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-27, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How would you, as a religious cleric, write your thesis?
Contrast the Directors' reaction to Sabine's.
Though I guess, it is possibleb they just eavesdropped on Blackwing and V.Forum Wisdom
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