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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Huh. That's not how I read the quote at all. As I see it, what is being said is that while the person may say they "hates southeners", the quote is telling you that you can infer they must be standing in the North pole, because in fact they hate everyone. I.e. that is not racism, but general distrust of humanity as a whole.

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    I thought the inference was that dude can be inferred to be at the North Pole because he wants to be as far away from southerners as possible, since I don't read "southerners" as "people south of me," but rather "people from the south."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    I thought the inference was that dude can be inferred to be at the North Pole because he wants to be as far away from southerners as possible, since I don't read "southerners" as "people south of me," but rather "people from the south."
    The difference in that reading is what the joke is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Huh. That's not how I read the quote at all. As I see it, what is being said is that while the person may say they "hates southeners", the quote is telling you that you can infer they must be standing in the North pole, because in fact they hate everyone. I.e. that is not racism, but general distrust of humanity as a whole.

    In short, the quote is an assurance of the text that despite sounding racist, Shadwell is not racist. Just a curmudgeon. Oh, and the self-loathing is crucial: there is a difference between hating everyone because they aren't you, and hating everyone, including yourself, for not being as good as they could be.

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    Yes, I understand that the aim of the joke is ‘hates everyone equally’, the thing is if you stand at the North Pole, you are the only one not in the south.
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    I thought the inference was that dude can be inferred to be at the North Pole because he wants to be as far away from southerners as possible, since I don't read "southerners" as "people south of me," but rather "people from the south."
    In context it goes like ‘‘Shadwell hates people from the South, therefore wherever Shadwell is at the moment is the North Pole because he hates everybody’’. It helps that Shadwell keep calling all sorts of people Southerners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    I thought the inference was that dude can be inferred to be at the North Pole because he wants to be as far away from southerners as possible, since I don't read "southerners" as "people south of me," but rather "people from the south."
    I'm pretty sure the "by inference, was standing at the North Pole" thing was about the way Shadwell calls literally everyone he interacts with or thinks about "Southern bastard" or "Southern pillock," regardless of where they actually come from.
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    Judging by all the replies, that is the most important phrase, I'm guessing.
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    Judging by all the replies, that is the most important phrase, I'm guessing.
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    I find it amusing that Durkon's cousin's brother-in-law's neice's fiance told Durkon that but not his name.[...]
    Someone else might have pointed it out by now (sorry if so) but they had mentioned him speaking to his mother (off panel) all this time.

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    To the people who say that Roy rushing the worm is a bad idea: You do remember that he has the Spellsplinter maneuver, right? If he can only use that in melee range (which seems to be the case based on the last battle), then it makes sense to want to neutralize the worm's magic, especially if he's unaware of its other abilities.

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    I feel like we'll be seeing a recreation of Jonah and the Whale soon. Especially if Durkon pops a Death Ward on him.

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    To the people who say that Roy rushing the worm is a bad idea: You do remember that he has the Spellsplinter maneuver, right? If he can only use that in melee range (which seems to be the case based on the last battle), then it makes sense to want to neutralize the worm's magic, especially if he's unaware of its other abilities.
    Which may or may not work on spell-like abilities.
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    At this point I feel like I have to read the Prachett novels to improve my enjoyment of this forums. Well there goes my winter I guess.

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    At this point I feel like I have to read the Prachett novels to improve my enjoyment of this forums.
    Not to mention treatises on various branches of mathematics, obscure D&D splatbooks, histories of European royalty, philosophies both ancient and modern...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pampukin View Post
    At this point I feel like I have to read the Prachett novels to improve my enjoyment of this forums.
    It's spelled "everything, ever", not "forums".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    It's spelled "everything, ever", not "forums".
    The inverse is also true of course: Enjoyment of PTerry is enhanced by knowing all the stuff he's sending up (or quite often playing straight).

    On a completely different tangent, really enjoyed the way the characters in this strip add depth and colour to the scene: we know it's a pre- climax battle but there's still something new and fun going on.

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    Apologies if I missed it, but is it possible Darkhornmet is a dwarf paladin of some sort? I admit my guess isn't great; the Azure City paladins are probably the only paladins with the blue text bubbles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowplay View Post
    Apologies if I missed it, but is it possible Darkhornmet is a dwarf paladin of some sort? I admit my guess isn't great; the Azure City paladins are probably the only paladins with the blue text bubbles.
    Come again?

    Where does Miko, Hinjo, Lien, O-Chul, or Thahn have a blue text bubble?
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    So has Celia...
    I guess, we'll see more of Cbilnf. It feels too much like a deus ex machina to just have him being a part of the family... Plus he doesn't give his name...
    What are the chances of Thad also being related to Celia in some way? I think Elan would approve.

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    Not to mention treatises on various branches of mathematics, obscure D&D splatbooks, histories of European royalty, philosophies both ancient and modern...
    I think you spelled "The Star Wars Expanded Universe" wrong...

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    What are the chances of Thad also being related to Celia in some way? I think Elan would approve.
    Likely 0.

    NotThad, on the other hand...

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    What kind of a sword does this guy have anyway? Looks like some kind of ghost sword...
    Also, did the sword cut down the elemental, or did the new guy just smash it with his horns?

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    At this point I feel like I have to read the Prachett novels to improve my enjoyment of this forums. Well there goes my winter I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyraltari View Post
    It's spelled "everything, ever", not "forums".
    Or, TP could be a popular hack whose writings are irrelevant to the vast bulk of humanity.

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    Or, TP could be a popular hack whose writings are irrelevant to the vast bulk of humanity.
    This is certainly true.

    But it is true for every author, ever, seeing as the vast bulk of humanity had better things to do than read, given that written language hadn't been invented, and they were at constant danger of starvation, sickness, hypothermia and being mauled by other predators, amongst other considerations.

    Limiting it to living people today, still probably true for every author ever, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    This is certainly true.

    But it is true for every author, ever, seeing as the vast bulk of humanity had better things to do than read, given that written language hadn't been invented, and they were at constant danger of starvation, sickness, hypothermia and being mauled by other predators, amongst other considerations.

    Limiting it to living people today, still probably true for every author ever, though.

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    For his sake, I do hope that he's better than L Ron Hubbard, one of whose novels I read back in the 1980's. (One of the Battlefield Earth books, vol 1 or 2 that I picked up at a garage sale). Didn't make the same mistake twice. If he's better than Terry Goodkind that would be nice. Wizard's First Rule was all I could stomach of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    For his sake, I do hope that he's better than L Ron Hubbard, one of whose novels I read back in the 1980's. (One of the Battlefield Earth books, vol 1 or 2 that I picked up at a garage sale). Didn't make the same mistake twice. If he's better than Terry Goodkind that would be nice. Wizard's First Rule was all I could stomach of that.
    Well, if all you're going to give me is bars to jump over so low that earthworms can pass them without surfacing, that is certainly an easy answer. Yes, Pratchett is better than Hubbard, and probably better than Goodkind, from all I've heard of them.

    That said, you do need to remember you are about to read parody, satire and humour. It's not really directly comparable to either of those. I prefer Pratchett to, say, Douglas Adams, though.

    (also, I'd hope there is a middle ground between "Hubbard" and "writings are relevant to the vast bulk of humanity")

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    Or, TP could be a popular hack whose writings are irrelevant to the vast bulk of humanity.

    (I do have on my list for Summer Reading Guards, Guards).
    He'd be the first to admit it...
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    I'm pretty sure the "by inference, was standing at the North Pole" thing was about the way Shadwell calls literally everyone he interacts with or thinks about "Southern bastard" or "Southern pillock," regardless of where they actually come from.
    It would seem to be along the lines of Linus van Pelt's infamous "I love humanity, it's just people I can't stand" comic strip. (One of Shulz's more wry comics).
    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    That said, you do need to remember you are about to read parody, satire and humour.
    It's not really directly comparable to either of those. I prefer Pratchett to, say, Douglas Adams, though.
    I read HHGttG (in 1981) but could not get more than a chapter or two into book two before I had to put it down. My brother heard most of the series in the medium for which I suspect it was intended: on radio. He loved it.
    I'd hope there is a middle ground between "Hubbard" and "writings are relevant to the vast bulk of humanity"
    Wait, Dyanetics isn't non fiction? I kid

    Parody and Satire are hard to do well - I think I may be old enough to sort out the kinds of allusions TP will make, but I am sure I'll miss some due to being on the wrong side of the pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    Parody and Satire are hard to do well - I think I may be old enough to sort out the kinds of allusions TP will make, but I am sure I'll miss some due to being on the wrong side of the pond.
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    Would the writings of Terry Pratchett be of at least equal quality to say, the majority of Shakespeare's plays, Homer's epics, Dante's Divine Comedy, or Tolkien's Legendarium? Also, feel free to add other works to this list of Greats. What I suppose I'm getting at, is Pratchett a member of the greatest writers of all time (or at least scince 5000 B.C.E)?

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