OOTS #1163 - The Discussion Thread

[hamishspence]

Im joining Team Frost Dwarf!

They're Extraplanar (native to the Ice Wastes layer of the Abyss) but not Outsiders, or in possession of the [Evil] subtype, though they are listed as Always CE.

[Lord Torath]

...Also, does it makes sense to say "cousin's brother-in-law's niece"? If she's the niece of the husband of the sister of the cousin, then he could just say cousin's husband's niece, because the sister of the cousin is also a cousin. If on the other hand she's the niece of the brother of the wife of the cousin, then he could just say cousin's wife's niece, because the niece of the brother is also a niece. Hmmm...

Durkon's cousin has a spouse, who has a brother, who is married to someone whose sibling has a child. The niece is niece to the brother through marriage, but is not the niece of the spouse.

Grey Wolf

I always got funny looks when I told people my sister-in-law was getting married. But my wife's sister is my sister-in-law just as much as my brother's wife is.

Also, I guess we now know where Dark Helmet ended up.

There goes the planet.

[Anarion]

The comic title really does the trick to bring this one all together. Well done.

[Dion]

Who in the heck is that? EDIT: did they just toss a dwarf? I thought you weren't allowed to do that (LOTR)

It’s clearly Redcloak’s niece.

You’re allowed to toss goblins.

[ti'esar]

This was flat-out hilarious.

[Draconi Redfir]

They're Extraplanar (native to the Ice Wastes layer of the Abyss) but not Outsiders, or in possession of the [Evil] subtype, though they are listed as Always CE.

"Sometimes Good cannot defeat Evil. It must be pitied upon by a different KIND of evil."

-Some woman from some Riddick movie

"You are badguy. this does not mean you are bad guy!"

-Zangief


So even if he IS evil, he could still be a decent guy and help out

[Doug Lampert]

I always got funny looks when I told people my sister-in-law was getting married. But my wife's sister is my sister-in-law just as much as my brother's wife is.

I once had to come up with a way to describe my sister's husband's sister's husband. (I can't now remember why I had to have a term for him, he exists, but I'm not sure we've ever met.)

IIRC I just called him my brother-in-law's brother-in-law.

[Psyren]

I'm going to go with ... Totemist/Ironsoul ForgeMaster, given that he seems reasonably competent and the blue screams Incarnum. Totemist because no Soulborn has glowing blue eyes (they're yellow, green, red or black) and Incarnate has poor BAB.

All the BAB part needs is a multiclass though, and Incarnum is pretty friendly towards multiclassing. Fighter is a favored class for Dwarves, so I'm going with Fighter/Incarnate.

...That line was a joke about how useless Incarnum is*, so...

*"That leaves us a bushel of fortune cookies, an 18th-level Incarnum user, and a magic 8-ball" "Bring up the cookies, keep the 8-ball on standby".

To be fair, it might have been a commentary on how useless (or at least inscrutable) Incarnum would be for that specific situation (i.e. unearthing buried secrets in someone's mind.) Which it more or less is. Smashing an elemental is definitely within its purview however.

[hamishspence]

"Sometimes Good cannot defeat Evil. It must be pitied upon by a different KIND of evil."

-Some woman from some Riddick movie

"You are badguy. this does not mean you are bad guy!"

-Zangief


So even if he IS evil, he could still be a decent guy and help out

Indeed. Or, like V mentioned with dragons, he has free will, and chose to exercise it in the non-evil direction.

[understatement]

Wow, Redcloak's niece sure looked different than expected! Now the dwarves actually stand a chance...

On a side note, love Roy and Belkar's banter. Personally getting ready for some man-on-worm action.

[Draconi Redfir]

Indeed. Or, like V mentioned with dragons, he has free will, and chose to exercise it in the non-evil direction.

This is true! Maybe Durkon's cousin's brother-in-law's neice or whatever managed to make him change his ways with her beauty and charm!

[Fyraltari]

So even if he IS evil, he could still be a decent guy and help out

You can't be evil and decent, these are mutually exclusive. However, as the Giant doesn't like the "always evil race" trope, this might not be an issue.

[zimmerwald1915]

This is true! Maybe Durkon's cousin's brother-in-law's neice or whatever managed to make him change his ways with her beauty and charm!

Ugh. Could we not?

[schmunzel]

So has Celia...
I guess, we'll see more of Cbilnf. It feels too much like a deus ex machina to just have him being a part of the family... Plus he doesn't give his name...

I cant see this dwarf (beard) blue eyed armored bad ass Stone elemental beheading (fighter?) (at least level -- what?15?of what exactly?) as being Celia

PLUS
How would Celia now know of Durkons extended family tree and start dating his cousins' bother in law's niece??

Deus ex machina would be if the guy beat not only the golems, but also the evil death worm, then entered the council room and resolved the entire situation by himself.

As it is, he's just part of the reinforcements dealing with the secondary target that the reinforcements were already handling.

So much for Grey Wolf c expecting the order to steamroll the situation - some 3 threads ago?

sch

[Draconi Redfir]

You can't be evil and decent, these are mutually exclusive. However, as the Giant doesn't like the "always evil race" trope, this might not be an issue.

hey, just because a man has a secret basement where he plots out how to overthrow the empire, topple the nobility, and introduce his own goddess to the pantheon, DOESN'T MEAN he can't be a loving husband and father who takes his kids out camping, helps his neighbors build a shed, and donates to the local charities to help feed disaster victims.

[Elvensilver]

This comic is another proof for the impact of the Thundershields on people. In just 50something years, Sigdi Thundershield turned a small family of 3 (Her, Durkon, Grandpa) into a small army, willing to come to fight in life-threatening situations if any of the members were in danger. Not only dwarves with a direct bound to her, but 3,4 degrees removed like cool new dwarf, who als knows of Durkon, showing how deeply integrated in this family he has become. Given how fast this extended familiy with its strong loyality to eachother grew, in just another 50years Sigdi will have become matriach of all dwarfed. After all, this looks like exponentiell growth, there are only 1milion dwarves, and who wouldn't like to be a part of this awesome familiy?

[gatemansgc]

Rich advertises his Champion class?

well that was really neat to read.

we'll likely have to wait for next comic to find out for sure.

[MReav]

Theory: This guy's actually not a Dwarf at all. Through a complex series of events, he's actually a Giant. A VERY SMALL Giant.

Does that make him a dwarf giant or a giant dwarf?

[Grey_Wolf_c]

If i got it right, The dark helmet guy actually made it more confusing than it needed to be, since referring to Durkon's "cousin's brother-in-law" is actually redundant. His "cousin's brother in law" would be the husband of his cousin's sister who in turn is also Durkon's cousin

No. Durkon's cousin's brother-in-law is the brother of Durkon's cousin's spouse. Not the same as the spouse of the cousin's sibling.

So much for Grey Wolf c expecting the order to steamroll the situation - some 3 threads ago?

sch

I did what now?

Grey Wolf

[hamishspence]

The Spiritual Weapon of a Lawful cleric is a longsword:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/spiritualWeapon.htm

As to why the blue text and glowing eyes - something Air related - perhaps an Elemental-centric prestige class?

[schmunzel]

No. Durkon's cousin's brother-in-law is the brother of Durkon's cousin's spouse. Not the same as the spouse of the cousin's sibling.



I did what now?

Grey Wolf

Sure I thought that was you.
Will try to look it up once I have some time

sch

[woweedd]

Gonna say he's a...half-Sladd, who was Planetouched by Air and, for good measure, is using Soulknives.

[schmunzel]

<snip>
I did what now?

Grey Wolf

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...&postcount=203

I apologize as it was Jasdoif

sch

[Lheticus]

Just thought I'd let you all know that I took the liberty of starting a character entry on TV Tropes for Durkon's Cousin's Brother-in-law's Niece's Fiancé: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...kNorthernLands (under "Thundershield Family and Friends)

Because I REALLY hope he's not just a one-shot character, I want to see more of this guy in the battle to come. It would make more sense to me if we did, anyway. There's a lot more head busting he could do.

[Rogar Demonblud]

This comic is another proof for the impact of the Thundershields on people. In just 50 something years, Sigdi Thundershield turned a small family of 3 (Her, Durkon, Grandpa) into a small army, willing to come to fight in life-threatening situations if any of the members were in danger. Not only dwarves with a direct bound to her, but 3,4 degrees removed like cool new dwarf, who also knows of Durkon, showing how deeply integrated in this family he has become. Given how fast this extended family with its strong loyalty to each other grew, in just another 50years Sigdi will have become matriarch of all dwarfed. After all, this looks like exponential growth, there are only 1 million dwarves, and who wouldn't like to be a part of this awesome family?

There are over ten million dwarves, according to the discussion at the Godsmoot.

[afnolte]

Who in the heck is that? And beheading a rock elemental, does that really kill them? I didn't think coup de tat or criticals affected elementals
EDIT: did they just toss a dwarf? I thought you weren't allowed to do that (LOTR)

It's fine as long as you don't tell the elf.

[hamishspence]

Main problem with the idea of his weapon being a Spiritual Weapon is that those are used at a distance, not melee.

Another possibility:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/flameBlade.htm

[Lheticus]

Who in the heck is that? And beheading a rock elemental, does that really kill them? I didn't think coup de tat or criticals affected elementals
EDIT: did they just toss a dwarf? I thought you weren't allowed to do that (LOTR)

I think you mean "coup de grace" here? A coup d'etat is the overthrowing of an established government. Like what Redcloak did to Azure City.

[Fyraltari]

hey, just because a man has a secret basement where he plots out how to overthrow the empire, topple the nobility, and introduce his own goddess to the pantheon, DOESN'T MEAN he can't be a loving husband and father who takes his kids out camping, helps his neighbors build a shed, and donates to the local charities to help feed disaster victims.

Leaving aside the fact that overthrowing empires, toppling nobilities and religious proselytism aren’t evil per se, in D&D, to be evil you need to be at least willing to murder innocents for personal gain. That immediately disqualified you from being a ‘decent guy’. A decent father, wife or cook, maybe. But not a decent person.

I think you mean "coup de grace" here? A coup d'etat is the overthrowing of an established government. Like what Redcloak did to Azure City.

What Redcloak did was foreign conquest, coups are internal affairs, if often backed by foreign powers. What Kubota was aiming for, that was a coup.

[hamishspence]

A coup d'etat is the overthrowing of an established government. Like what Redcloak did to Azure City.

No, that's conquest.

A coup d'état is internal - the overthrow of a ruler by their subordinates.

EDIT: Swordsaged.