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    Default [3.5] Easy-Entry Divine PrCs

    Hi - looking for some "easy entry" PrCs for divine casters. Full casting progression only please.

    The less feat reqs, the better. Also, the less special or skill reqs, the better too.

    Things like Ruathar are the gold standard, where you basically qualify automatically at a certain level.

    I'm aware of Troacctid's spreadsheet, but I'd rather just get some suggestions directly.

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    Default Re: [3.5] Easy-Entry Divine PrCs

    Divine Exorcist is the first that comes to mind. Two Skills you're probably going to have, plus one of two spells, which are probably going to be your signature spells anyway if you're entering it.

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    Ruathar, Contemplative, Divine Oracle, Loremaster, Sacred Exorcist, Paragnostic Apostle
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    The great thing about Sacred Exorcist is that the Dispel Evil SLA you get at level 4 auto-qualifies you for the PrC, so you can re-train the spell you used for entry without fear of any repercussions.

    Loremaster seems a little feat-intensive.

    Contemplative, Divine Oracle and especially Paragnostic Apostle are good options, as is Ruathar.

    Moonspeaker is also OK, but locks you into a specific race.
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    Church Inquisitor
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    Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 4 ranks , Knowledge (religion) 4 ranks , Spellcraft 4 ranks

    Base Save Bonus: Will +3.
    Spells: Able to cast zone of truth as a divine spell.
    Special: Must be a member of a lawful good church or religious order, and must have already uncovered some corruption within that organization.

    Seeker of the Misty Isle dip (Not worth precisely aiming for I guess, but doesn't hurt to dip it for the Travel Domain if you're already an elf or half-elf)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Loremaster seems a little feat-intensive.
    I tend to regard the metamagic feats as "free" since you'll likely pick them up anyways. The Skill Focus is satisfied by entry to Divine Oracle and can be free via Frog God's Fane. The bonus feat you pick up potentially makes Loremaster a -1 feat tax, although it works better on an Int based caster.
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    I'd put up Runecaster for Archivist entry if not Cleric. Archivist 5 naturally qualifies on the spellcasting requirements, and given Archivist has INT as the primary stat the INT 13 prereq for Runecaster won't be an impost. It takes one feat to qualify - Inscribe Rune, an item creation feat.

    You have to have 8 skill ranks in Craft which is otherwise pretty useless, but with Guidance of the Avatar you possibly never have to invest another skill point in it again after that.

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    Most of the obvious ones are already listed.

    Magic of Faerun has the Mystic Wanderer which gets a familiar and Charisma as a sacred or profane bonus to AC when not wearing armor. Few weird skills to get in and Iron will, but magical locations were already mentioned so the O. Pit can get you that feat for cheap.

    Sacred Exorcist was already listed, but a good character with alternative Turning types (Destroy Undead, Turn Energy, etc.) that count for Divine Metamagic can pick up plan on vanilla Turn undead for an additional turning pool.

    For laughs I would suggest Spelldancer. That is quite the feat investment.

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    I'd argue that Dweomerkeeper is pretty easy for entry on the divine side. 8 ranks in a couple of skills that are pretty useful, ability to cast arcane and divine (can be done via a feat if you're level-starved afaik) and one of your domains need to be magic, and you must have made a magic item, which doesn't necessarily mean you have the feat to do it- you can participate in someone else's crafting by supplying the spells for it.

    The only sticking point for clerics from what I can see is choosing a god who has Magic as one of their domains or could be considered to have it as a minor domain, or accessing extra domains somehow. ... would chugging a domain draught before levelling count? Kind of a fun idea that- a cleri-wizard who is chemically dependant on this one rare magic moonshine or they lose their Dweomerkeeper powers.
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    Thaumaturgist; one feat (that you probably want if you want to be summoning things anyway), and the appropriate casting level, and you're in.

    Radiant Servant of Pelor (assuming you worship Pelor). Extra Turning is something Clerics tend to get (whether or not they take the PrC) just to fuel Divine Metamagic. Add a couple of skills (Know Religion and Heal) that most Clerics will put ranks in anyway.

    Knight of the Raven. The prereqs consist of being Good, staying up all night once, and having enough BAB. (Ravenloft-specific, though). Not quite full casting (9/10), but it gives an awful lot of goodies. (One of the rare full-BAB PrCs that a Cleric might take, plus access to the Sun domain).

    Bone Knight. Ride is cross-class, but you can qualify starting at level 9. Otherwise, Craft and Knowledge (Religion), plus appropriate BAB. Again, only 9/10 casting, but it's close to full and gives a ton of interesting abilities for the Cleric who's looking to build an undead army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malphegor View Post
    I'd argue that Dweomerkeeper is pretty easy for entry on the divine side. 8 ranks in a couple of skills that are pretty useful, ability to cast arcane and divine (can be done via a feat if you're level-starved afaik) and one of your domains need to be magic, and you must have made a magic item, which doesn't necessarily mean you have the feat to do it- you can participate in someone else's crafting by supplying the spells for it.

    The only sticking point for clerics from what I can see is choosing a god who has Magic as one of their domains or could be considered to have it as a minor domain, or accessing extra domains somehow. ... would chugging a domain draught before levelling count? Kind of a fun idea that- a cleri-wizard who is chemically dependant on this one rare magic moonshine or they lose their Dweomerkeeper powers.
    A cleric taking the Magic and Spell domains while using Substitute Domain[Rune] can qualify without feats or level loss. Mystra and Thoth in FR have all three while a a good argument exists for Boccob, Vecna, Wee Jas, and Zagyg in Greyhawk.

    But this imposes constraints around class, patron deity, and domains which may not be desirable.
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    Default Re: [3.5] Easy-Entry Divine PrCs

    IIRC there's an ACF in Dragon Magazine that trades turn undead for Scribe Scroll. There's your item creation feat. Planning domain gives you the metamagic feat. Add in Magical Training and bada-bing, bada-boom.

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    It looks like no one suggested divine disciple; the entry requirements don't seem very hard to fulfill (Diplomacy 5 ranks , Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, 4th level spells), it's full-casting and has some decent abilities.

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    Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

    • Bone Knight - not bad, main "issue" is 9/10 casting.
    • Church Inquisitor - this one's good, but is quite alignment driven.
    • Divine Disciple - hadn't heard of this one before, but it's pretty perfect for what I'm looking for!
    • Dweomerkeeper - two feats + ability to cast arcane spells...
    • Knight of the Raven - one of my favourites; only "issue" is 9/10 casting.
    • Mystic Wanderer - one feat a bunch if skills; not too bad.
    • Radiant Servant of Pelor - one feat, a specific domain, and tied to a particular god...the good news is that KotR grants Sun domain.
    • Runecaster - one feat...not bad.
    • Seeker of the Misty Isle - 8 ranks in Survival (Ruathar?) and must be elf or half-elf; first 4 levels are full casting.
    • Thaumaturgist - one feat and a specific spell, but great if your focusing on summoning.
    • Visionary Seeker - another one that requires Survial, and 1/2 casting, but OK for a 1 level dip, I guess.

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    Sovereign Speaker is easy to entry. It loses two caster levels but grants 10 extra bonus domains.
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    The arcane casting requirement of Dweomerkeeper is best fulfilled by the Magical Training feat. And the item creation feat can be supplied by either the Planning or Rune domain.

    Alienist is pretty easy to get into. Especially if you have the Dragon Below domain, which gives Augment Summoning as a bonus feat.

    An Archivist wouldn't have too much trouble getting into Geometer.

    Earth Dreamer is probably fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurbane View Post
    Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

    • Bone Knight - not bad, main "issue" is 9/10 casting.
    • Church Inquisitor - this one's good, but is quite alignment driven.
    • Divine Disciple - hadn't heard of this one before, but it's pretty perfect for what I'm looking for!
    • Dweomerkeeper - two feats + ability to cast arcane spells...
    • Knight of the Raven - one of my favourites; only "issue" is 9/10 casting.
    • Mystic Wanderer - one feat a bunch if skills; not too bad.
    • Radiant Servant of Pelor - one feat, a specific domain, and tied to a particular god...the good news is that KotR grants Sun domain.
    • Runecaster - one feat...not bad.
    • Seeker of the Misty Isle - 8 ranks in Survival (Ruathar?) and must be elf or half-elf; first 4 levels are full casting.
    • Thaumaturgist - one feat and a specific spell, but great if your focusing on summoning.
    • Visionary Seeker - another one that requires Survial, and 1/2 casting, but OK for a 1 level dip, I guess.
    This list needs Paragnostic Apostle and Ordained Champion.

    There's a 'wild monk' variant with survival, which eats up your caster levels, but puts those cleric monk prcs on the table.

    Lawful neutral half elf opens an option for about 7 domains and 9th level spells on a dweomerkeeper.

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    I should also underline for clarity: Runecaster requires one feat and two skills to get in. One of the skills is Spellcraft which would likely be getting optimised anyway, and the other is Craft, whose only useful feature is that it's a class skill to pretty much everyone in existence.

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    Wasn't the Hathran in FRCS easy enty?
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    Wasn't the Hathran in FRCS easy enty?
    something like
    Human feat: Magical Training
    1st lvl feat: Precocious Apprentice
    +3 lvls of Cleric
    then you are gooD to enter the PrC? Cohort at lvl 4?
    The class has been updated in 3.5; now it requires 4th level casting, leadership and ethran at the 1st level feat. Still not impossible to qualify for, but for sure something you have to plan specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleph View Post
    The class has been updated in 3.5; now it requires 4th level casting, leadership and ethran at the 1st level feat. Still not impossible to qualify for, but for sure something you have to plan specifically.
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