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    It's a good thing the worm doesn't have eyes (at least not visible ones), or I'd be wondering if it was a clue to the nature of the Monster in the Darkness.
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    Something just occurred to me. My D&D days are way behind me, but isn't Horrid Wilting a mage spell? Wouldn't that mean that the vampire cleric that used to be the exarch needed to put some skill points into Use Magic Device or something like that (3.x was never my strongpoint)?
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    I've been wondering about that too. Sure, it's a Water domain spell... but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a cleric of the Creed of Stone probably doesn't get the Water domain.
    It doesn't have to be on the Exarch's spell list. It just has to be on the spell list of the cleric who scribed the scroll. As long as the scroll was made by a cleric, it's a divine scroll usable by clerics.
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    Regular fights? What are those? Can they even exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dausuul View Post
    It doesn't have to be on the Exarch's spell list. It just has to be on the spell list of the cleric who scribed the scroll. As long as the scroll was made by a cleric, it's a divine scroll usable by clerics.
    The question is not, how the Ex-Exarch could cast that spell. The question is, why would the Exarch have this scroll with him.

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    Thank you Giant, I loved this strip. Chuckles abounded IRL, and a few people looked up to see what I was laughing about.

    "Hey, feelings are tricky things, you can't'-" was a great finisher to Belkar's set up ...

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    Durkon has always been in Belkar's "not worth killing" column.
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    Also had a realisation with what Belkar was attempting. Having learnt the Power of Introspection, he's now trying to wield it like a cudgel.
    'Yeah I could stab you... Or I could MAKE YOU PONDER! Eh? Eh? Why isn't it working on you!?'
    Heh, that seems more likely.
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    "did i ask you, giant death worm?"
    Yeah, the Belkster was on his game in this strip.
    Dude, are you even trying to have a climactic emotional catharsis?
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    Health & safety folks!
    I believe that's elfin safety, and Belkar's a halfling.
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    The question is not, how the Ex-Exarch could cast that spell. The question is, why would the Exarch have this scroll with him.
    Given that they killed a few clerics in the past few days: looting a corpse.
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    I loved the 2 panels in the middle where Belkar and the vamp just stare at each other.

    Whole comic is great, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannoire View Post
    The question is not, how the Ex-Exarch could cast that spell. The question is, why would the Exarch have this scroll with him.
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    He's a dwarf. Horrid Wilting does additional damage to plants. Case Closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannoire View Post
    The question is not, how the Ex-Exarch could cast that spell. The question is, why would the Exarch have this scroll with him.
    Maybe since it's not on his list, it's for covering a weakness in his currently-unknown actual spell-list
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannoire View Post
    The question is not, how the Ex-Exarch could cast that spell. The question is, why would the Exarch have this scroll with him.
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    Maybe since it's not on his list, it's for covering a weakness in his currently-unknown actual spell-list
    He is a cleric. His spell list is "everything". However, Gontor was aware he needed all his high-level spell slots devoted to shape stone spells so he could build the Goodsmoot temple. Since random encounters are a thing, some offensive scrolls are hardly that weird.

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    Wasn't Gontor part of security for the Godsmoot? Of course he'd have some high end spells on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dausuul View Post
    It doesn't have to be on the Exarch's spell list. It just has to be on the spell list of the cleric who scribed the scroll. As long as the scroll was made by a cleric, it's a divine scroll usable by clerics.
    Activating a scroll still requires the spell to be on the caster's spell list.

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    I think it was an awkward way of saying that as long as one cleric can cast it, any cleric can because clerics automatically learn every cleric spells (not counting domain spells).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    I think it was an awkward way of saying that as long as one cleric can cast it, any cleric can because clerics automatically learn every cleric spells (not counting domain spells).
    Horrid wilting is one of those domain spells.

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    Obviously Gontor is also a high-level Wizard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Obviously Gontor is also a high-level Wizard.
    Or has the Magic domain. Or has a bunch of Use Magic Device ranks. Or maybe all three!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    Or has the Magic domain. Or has a bunch of Use Magic Device ranks.
    My new theory is that Gontor is level 15+ in various classes, and is likely the most powerful character to date. Or to just be friends with.
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    The scary, giant Death Worm seems very balanced and in touch with its emotions. If only everyone was as nicely grounded as this summoned horror of murderous terror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basement Cat View Post
    The scary, giant Death Worm seems very balanced and in touch with its emotions. If only everyone was as nicely grounded as this summoned horror of murderous terror.
    When you're a giant death worm and you know it, it's easy to be zen about everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    Or has the Magic domain. Or has a bunch of Use Magic Device ranks. Or maybe all three!
    I believe we've already covered Gontor, the Expert who uses darkvisible scrolls/skinwritten scrolls before...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    When you're a giant death worm and you know it, it's easy to be zen about everything else.
    I think I read that on a daily affirmations calendar once....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    My new theory is that Gontor is level 15+ in various classes, and is likely the most powerful character to date.
    Hmm....Cleric 3/Wizard 3/Mystic Theurge 9 with the Magic domain....Casts as a level 12 wizard and a level 12 cleric, so lots of slots for stone shape (which appears on both spell lists); and activates scrolls/staffs as a level 18 wizard, thus doesn't need to make a caster level check for an arcane scroll of gate. Why, that's almost minimally plausible! Unless "actual wizard levels" is taken to exclude wizard casting advancement from prestige classes; the typical sort of core-book-wording scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannoire View Post
    The question is not, how the Ex-Exarch could cast that spell. The question is, why would the Exarch have this scroll with him.
    No, that was the question *I* asked. dmc did, indeed, ask how he could cast Horrid Wilting.

    (And I will accept Riftwolf's "anti-plant defence" as an answer. Plants' roots can crack stone, after all!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftwolf View Post
    Was it called? I seem to remember some hoo-ha over HD limits. An alternative theory was 'Gontor opened the gate conveniently next to Hel, she conveniently tossed LDW through, thereby avoiding HD limits'
    Somehow I'm doubting LDW will survive this encounter, likeable as it is.

    Also had a realisation with what Belkar was attempting. Having learnt the Power of Introspection, he's now trying to wield it like a cudgel.
    'Yeah I could stab you... Or I could MAKE YOU PONDER! Eh? Eh? Why isn't it working on you!?'
    The nightcrawler can be controlled by anyone who can open a gate. The spell has a minimum caster level of 17 (in the case of a scroll, this comes from the scroll, a level 1 cleric can use a scroll of gate and uses it at CL 17 or higher). CL 17 will control a 34 HD monster, and the nightcrawler is only 25 HD by default.

    Also, even if it is not controlled, but came through the gate on its own or at Hel's orders, it's still physically present rather than a summons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    Given that they killed a few clerics in the past few days: looting a corpse.
    Nope. "This body had a few scrolls on it when it died..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    "Foil your evil squirm"

    I don't get it. Is there a double meaning I'm missing?
    "evil squirm" -> "evil WORM". squirm rhymes with worm.

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    Hmm....Cleric 3/Wizard 3/Mystic Theurge 9 with the Magic domain....Casts as a level 12 wizard and a level 12 cleric, so lots of slots for stone shape (which appears on both spell lists); and activates scrolls/staffs as a level 18 wizard, thus doesn't need to make a caster level check for an arcane scroll of gate. Why, that's almost minimally plausible!
    "Minimally plausible"? Hold on there, Banana Moneybags, I can't afford minimally plausible, I'm going for over-the-top ridiculous! Besides, there's already been a notable MT already, and I doubt the Giant has the urge to put in another.
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    "evil squirm" -> "evil WORM". squirm rhymes with worm.
    "Foil your evil worm" doesn't make sense, though. Scheme fits much better.
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    I never thought I'd see Belkar trying to win a battle with the power of friendship. He's grown up so much. :')
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    I never thought I'd see Belkar trying to win a battle with the power of friendship. He's grown up so much. :')
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