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2019-05-22, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-22, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-22, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
I thought it illustrated his ongoing confusion with dealing with emotions he never had before. He described what Durkon did as "emotioning" (not emoting) and I got the sense this was used a bit sarcastically. Also, his suggestion to the Spirit of Original Gontor to simply "Feel at {the vampire}" lacks a lot of nuance.
The vampire was specifically trying to impersonate Durkon, which muddled up the personality a bit. Durkon first had to make the vampire feel something that fit the hole in his heart the vampire was built for, then show him a particular memory about that, and then launch the memory dump -- specifically a lifetime of positive memories of love, affection, and cooperation. I wouldn't even say that Durkon relied on feeling at the vampire really hard, but rather inundated it with a lifetime of memories of a particular feeling - the feeling that made him Durkon in the first place.
Personally I don't care for such Power of Love tropes, but from reading the author's comments on it, there were some particulars in this one, and the Giant suggested it would be difficult to impossible for another trapped soul to pull off the same thing. I am not sure if we got another answer as to what would happen if another spirit spammed all their memory at their host at once.SpoilerI Am A: Chaotic Neutral Human Sorcerer (5th Level)
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2019-05-22, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-22, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-05-22, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-22, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
Last edited by Rrmcklin; 2019-05-22 at 04:29 PM.
I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2019-05-22, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
Ah - you are correct. That's what happens when I hurriedly look up rules I haven't used in years while getting ready for work.
So I guess it comes down to whether domain spells are considered to be on the cleric's "class list." Unless there's a definitive ruling someplace I haven't found, I could see the answer being "no," "yes, but only for your own domains," and "yes for all domains." It would take some rules-lawyering to justify "yes for all domains," but the Exarch seems like a rules-lawyery sort of guy, and that trait might well have been inherited from his living self.
The other possibility is that the Exarch's original deity and Hel both have water as one of their domains. But I like the rules lawyer explanation better. :)
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2019-05-22, 05:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
And vampire clerics trade in their old domains for two of death, destruction, evil, and trickery.
Maybe Gontor wasn't a cleric per se but some near variant that had more elemental spell lists (so lots of earth spells, perhaps some fire and water ones (horrid wilting!) but air would be an "opposed domain")?
For a stone priest to have the water spell is a muddy issue indeed.
Edit: The Unicorn Clan School for the Shugenja from OA has Horrid Wilting on its list. Wu Jen also have it. Could Gontor have been one of those?
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2019-05-22, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-22, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
Dwarf matriarch states here that they're pretty close to the surface.
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2019-05-22, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2019-05-22, 08:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2019-05-22, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-22, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
Good to know. I sometimes forget the continuity of this comic, and your correction on this issue is appreciated.
Thats a good point, though the only issue that needs addressing is the possibility of some vampires not having that spell prepared that day, or can't cast magic at all, or the idea that hel being stupidly evil commands the vampires to stand pat on the world, so she can take their dwarf souls as well, and the vampires revolt out of self preservation.
But thats needlessly over complicated and the vampires working together to ensure each others immortal souls wouldn't be much of a stretch.Vae Victus!
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2019-05-22, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
You might want to do what I did last weekend, and reread the Book 6 strips.
And the vampires don't need Gate, as they can just use Plane Shift.
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2019-05-22, 11:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
Poor Thad and Roy!
Roy so wants things to make sense.http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...6#post15476516
I know I'm stealing this from someone else. But it's SO FUNNY
Zweisteine quoting Razanir:
"I am a human sixtyfourthling! Fear my minimal halfling ancestry!"
From: Razanir
Bagnold could be one sixty-fourth halfling.
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2019-05-23, 12:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-23, 12:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
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The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2019-05-23, 12:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-23, 04:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
I just realized that every dwarf out there is fighting honorably right now, and as such aren't afraid of the instant horrible death that just almost befell around 15 of them. Just a bit of fridge horror.
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2019-05-23, 04:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-23, 04:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
I feel like we've seen enough to comfortably say that's not true, though. Like, they care about honor in death and will praise it, as makes sense for their circumstances, but we've seen plenty of instances of fear of death and wanting to continue living if possible.
Certain individuals certainly might have that mindset, but it's really not the kind of thing we have a reason to just assume of all dwarves.Last edited by Rrmcklin; 2019-05-23 at 04:52 AM.
I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2019-05-23, 05:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-23, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
They're not suicidal. They just want to be sure that when their end *does* come that they're in such an honourable position they don't get sent to Hel--they do that by living their entire lives in an honourable way. See the story Mr. Burlew posted about a group of elderly dwarves fighting through the snow in order to fetch food for their clan.
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2019-05-23, 06:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-23, 07:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1164 - The Discussion Thread
The vampires have a vague plan to plane shift before the world ends.
But in reality they will simply die like everything else, and Hel hasn’t bothered to tell them, and they haven’t had time to figure it out.