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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmerwald1915 View Post
    Eh, not really, particularly where, as here, one's family is conceived of as an extension of oneself, or one's property.
    While some people may view their family as little more than extensions of themselves, I'm not convinced Vaarsuvius does. I'd also like an explanation of how it's 'particularly' unjustified when someone makes a deal with fiends to save their family for that reason. The original point was be that there can be cases where it could be justified.
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    While some people may view their family as little more than extensions of themselves, I'm not convinced Vaarsuvius does. I'd also like an explanation of how it's 'particularly' unjustified when someone makes a deal with fiends to save their family for that reason. The original point was be that there can be cases where it could be justified.
    Yeah, V can be a bit empathic, callous, and generally terse, but they do seem to love their family. Including loving them enough to recognize when they're making things worse. It's one of the many parallels between them and Laurain: A willingness to do awful things if it means keeping their family safe.

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    While some people may view their family as little more than extensions of themselves, I'm not convinced Vaarsuvius does.
    I think it would be fair to say that V derives a lot of value from them and attacking them is by proxy, attacking him, especially in this context. That doesn't mean V doesn't love them, just very possessive and prideful.

    I don't think Xykon is a dumb as he pretends to be, he just doesn't like to waste time on things he deems pointless. He doesn't care about planning the siege of azure city, because it's all a big distraction anyway. Why should he sweat the details when he doesn't care if they win? He is pretty sure he's powerful enough to defeat the sapphire guard when he sneaks into the throne room. That's enough planning for him.
    Xykon would rather watch the TeeVo or whatever than plan an assault because he gets nothing from the planning, whereas he is mildly amused by the TeeVo.
    What was that joke about jokes? "Tragedy is when I stub my toe, comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die"?

    Xykon has some really excellent lines, and I totally agree this is one of them. Ironically the power that really mattered there was friendship. The MITD determined whether O-Chul and V lived there.
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    Ironically the power that really mattered there was friendship. The MITD determined whether O-Chul and V lived there.
    Vaarsuvius had interacted with neither O-Chul nor the Thing in the Shadows prior to that point.
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    Little did people notice, but V turned back to the room after hearing what Xykon is planning to do to O-Chul. This was the point of Xykon's boast.
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    Personal theory: either there's two variants of the Sending spell making the rounds in the OOTS world, or casting as a prepared spell takes 10 minutes, casting from a scroll is instantaneous (or nearly so), and we don't see the scroll Vampire Durkon used in #1109 because of some reason or another.
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    Not in OotS. But sending is indeed ten minutes. Which means this page took a really long time (or is it quicker from scrolls?).

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    And all of this is irrevlant because Durkon was not, in fact, at the fleet.

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    And all of this is irrevlant because Durkon was not, in fact, at the fleet.
    So? We're not even discussing a hypothetical here per se, but the actual rules of this universe. "How do scrolls work" is pretty relevant to the question, "How do scrolls work".
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    Quote Originally Posted by hroşila View Post
    So? We're not even discussing a hypothetical here per se, but the actual rules of this universe. "How do scrolls work" is pretty relevant to the question, "How do scrolls work".
    The question is "Would the Fiends' plan work" and casting time is not the relevant objection.

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    The question is "Would the Fiends' plan work" and casting time is not the relevant objection.
    That was not the question anymore for the people who wanted to talk about the specifics of casting from scrolls. Come on, threads go in all sorts of different directions all the time.
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    And all of this is irrevlant because Durkon was not, in fact, at the fleet.
    On the contrary, what is irrelevant is this comment, since I was asking about Nale's use of sending through scrolls.

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    I would say that's the dumbest theory Grey Wolf's heard, but, let's be honest: It's Grey Wolf. They've probably heard dumber theories today. Point is, neat idea, but it's a real stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterio12 View Post
    And as you grow older, you learn that fun is something that demands a certain amount of planning. Just blasting your load right away loses its luster pretty fast.

    So in this case instead of shooting his stuff as fast as possible with no foreplay, Xykon went through the trouble of carving insanity glyphs in a bouncy ball for that extra fun.
    Well, this thread took an unexpectedly R-rated turn.

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    Well, this thread took an unexpectedly R-rated turn.
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    If you don't know what he means, I can't tell you.

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