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    Default Villainous Competition XXXIII: The Do Over

    Welcome to Round 33 of the Villainous Competition!



    Previous Competitions




    We're a little different than most of the optimization threads. We run on CR instead of ECL.



    Contestants:

    You will need to present a write-up of your build with at least one of the following points: 5 CR, 10 CR 15 CR, 20 CR, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20 CR build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:



    Secret Laboratory:

    Competitors will be free to use any official 1st party (WotC) 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon Compendium is allowed, but Dragon magazine is disallowed. Unearthed Arcana is allowed. Unupdated 3.0 materials, as well as web exclusives by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Item Familiars and Taint are also banned from the competition. Leadership and all similar abilities are banned for sanity reasons.

    Builds that are fully monstrous are allowed at no penalty. All class levels are to be added on as associated class levels.



    Elite array (15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8) is the assumed ability score generation method.

    Some monstrous characters can technically qualify for Epic feats as soon as their ECL is over 20. While regular Epic feats will be allowed, Epic Spellcasting and all other Epic feats that affect spells, psionic powers, or item creation are not permitted. Including these would give an unfair advantage over standard characters. For Incarnum characters, Epic Open Chakra feats are allowed; other Epic Incarnum feats are not. The Essentia Capacity increases for Epic capacity as described on p. 212. For all characters, please note that Racial Hit Dice do not count towards Epic Progression; use the regular progression even if the BAB ends up higher than 20.



    Deadlines:

    Contestants will have until 23:59 MST Saturday June 22nd to create their builds and PM them to the Supreme Chancellor. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 23:59 MST Saturday July 6th to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted. Deadlines are subject to extension as/if required.



    Judging:

    Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Build Elegance, Competence and Power, Memorable Villainy.

    Keep these questions in mind when judging each category:

    Originality - Is it unexpected?

    Build Elegance - Is it mechanically pretty?

    Competence and Power - Can it do what the concept asks of it? Is this a powerfully-built character?

    Memorable Villainy - Is this a villain with style? Will it be the BBEG players long to finally kill and then talk about for weeks?

    Unearthed Arcana can be penalized for elegance if the specific feature seems unnecessary or makes the playing field unfair (In this case, you can give a 1 if it makes the field unfair.)

    Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. As the Iron Chef competition states, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.

    You may not judge if you entered the contest, unless you withdraw your submission.



    Presentation:

    Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!



    Note:

    There is now a hard limit on two (2) entries per competitor.



    Using the table below, the easiest way to use it is to go to the top left of the private message, and click the little a/A icon. It allows you to see what you're writing.

    Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.

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    CR Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features
    1 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    2 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    3 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    4 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    5 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    6 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    7 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    8 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    9 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    10 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    11 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    12 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    13 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    14 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    15 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    16 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    17 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    18 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    19 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
    20 New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities

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    [th][B]CR[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Class[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Base Attack Bonus[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Fort Save[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Ref Save[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Will Save[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Skills[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Feats[/B][/th]

    [th][B]Class Features[/B][/th]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]1[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]2[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]3[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]4[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]5[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]6[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]7[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]8[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]9[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]10[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]11[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]12[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]13[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]14[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]15[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]16[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]17[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]18[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]19[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]20[/td]

    [td]New Class Level[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]+x[/td]

    [td]Skills[/td]

    [td]Feats[/td]

    [td]New Class Abilities[/td]

    [/tr]

    [/table]


    You can use the table below for Spells.

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    Spells per Day/Spells Known

    Spells per Day/Spells Known

    Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
    1st - - - - - - - - - -
    2nd - - - - - - - - - -
    3rd - - - - - - - - - -
    4th - - - - - - - - - -
    5th - - - - - - - - - -
    6th - - - - - - - - - -
    7th - - - - - - - - - -
    8th - - - - - - - - - -
    9th - - - - - - - - - -
    10th - - - - - - - - - -
    11th - - - - - - - - - -
    12th - - - - - - - - - -
    13th - - - - - - - - - -
    14th - - - - - - - - - -
    15th - - - - - - - - - -
    16th - - - - - - - - - -
    17th - - - - - - - - - -
    18th - - - - - - - - - -
    19th - - - - - - - - - -
    20th - - - - - - - - - -

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    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]

    [B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]

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    [tr]

    [th][B]Level[/B][/th]

    [th][B]0lvl[/B][/th]

    [th][B]1st[/B][/th]

    [th][B]2nd[/B][/th]

    [th][B]3rd[/B][/th]

    [th][B]4th[/B][/th]

    [th][B]5th[/B][/th]

    [th][B]6th[/B][/th]

    [th][B]7th[/B][/th]

    [th][B]8th[/B][/th]

    [th][B]9th[/B][/th]

    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]1st[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

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    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]2nd[/td]

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    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]3rd[/td]

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    [td]4th[/td]

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    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]5th[/td]

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    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]6th[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

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    [td]-[/td]

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    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]7th[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

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    [td]-[/td]

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    [td]-[/td]

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    [td]-[/td]

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    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]8th[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

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    [/tr]

    [tr]

    [td]9th[/td]

    [td]-[/td]

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    [tr]

    [td]10th[/td]

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    [td]11th[/td]

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    [td]12th[/td]

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    [td]13th[/td]

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    [td]14th[/td]

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    [td]15th[/td]

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    [td]16th[/td]

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    [td]17th[/td]

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    [td]18th[/td]

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    [td]19th[/td]

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    [td]20th[/td]

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    [td]-[/td]

    [/tr]

    [/table]




    Speculation:

    Please don’t post or speculate on possible builds until the reveal, in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.

    Once builds are revealed, please do not comment on errors or rules issues on entries unless you are a judge. If you have such a comment, wait until the final reveal to post it.



    Get ready to share those Evil thoughts. This edition’s villain is:



    The Do Over!








    Have you ever had an idea but just couldn't make it fit ALL the limitations? Now's your chance to make it up!

    Limitations





    • Pick any previous round of VC as your Theme
    • Remove 1 Limitation from that round, and create a build
    • Whichever round you choose must still have at least 1 Limitation left to the original list after you remove one
    • You CANNOT remove an alignment restriction
      and to clarify, if the round only has 1 limitation (such as in the first several rounds) you cannot remove that original limitation and only have an alignment as your sole restriction
    • Use the Current Build rules from THIS round to create your entry




    We will award 1st through 3rd places, and a possible Honorable Mention.

    So, start your evil plotting!



    Submission:

    To standardize Entries, please use this format when sending it in:



    PM: Jdizzlean

    Subject: Villainous Competition 33, Name of your Entry

    For Revisions and disputes, do the same thing. It makes it easier for me finding the entries in my mail box.

    More questions? PM me with Villainous Competition 32 Questions in the header.



    Tips for submitting your entry, provided by Weaselguy:
    - Use capitalization and punctuation, correctly.
    - Make good use of Spoilers, for cleanliness.
    - Don't forget your sources. If it's something that can be found in the contents section, then book title seems to be fine. Obscure stuff, may want to include page number too.
    - DeviantArt has about 9 billion pictures that you can reference, I can almost guarantee you can find one there to fit your character.
    - Make good use of tables. In addition to the Build table and the Spells table, I like doing on e for my Ability Scores, just to keep it neat.
    - Do a build stub at the top of your Build Table, something like Wizard 2/Fighter 3/Abjurant Champion 5/Eldritch Knight 10






    As always: let's keep it nice.



    I'll mention that again - LET'S KEEP IT NICE! Bickering, name calling and nasty comments on the entries or other forum members are not tolerated.




    New competition rule: if I feel an individual has been overly disruptive during the course of competition discussion, I will not be accepting and revealing any entries from that individual, and they will also not be allowed to judge. Any judging they enter will not be taken into account for the final tally.



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    It's sad that it had to come to this, but here's a list of permanently banned (from this Villainous Competition) members:



    Novolin

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    DruidGuy

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    Default Re: Villainous Competition XXXIII: The Do Over

    Clarifications

    Unearthed Arcana variant rules are limited: The variant character options (such as Wildshape Ranger and Thug Fighter) should not be penalized. Flaws and traits may be penalized by judges, whereas item familiars, gestalt, alternate skill systems, alternate magic systems, alternate crafting rules, generic base classes, LA buyoff, fractional saves/BAB, and bloodlines are banned. Anything not mentioned here is up to individual judges.

    d20 Rokugan is not allowed material.

    The Dragon Magazine update for Oriental Adventures is in use.

    Leadership is banned. Any material that grants you leadership without you specifically taking it should be ignored and may not be traded away for another feat or ACF. Undead Leadership and Dragon Cohort are likewise banned. Wild Cohort and Obtain Familiar are allowed. If you are not sure if a specific feat violates the 'no leadership' rule, err on the side of caution, or ask me.

    However, Leadership may be taken to qualify for another feat or class (such as the Great Captain feat or Legendary Leader prestige class), though a character still doesn't get its usual benefit in those cases. This is to allow characters to access unproblematic material that'd otherwise be made unavailable because of the Leadership ban.

    On the subject of messaging the chair (me), a few guidelines:

    - I am not here to give critiques on your build or guess how the judges might score it!

    - For entries, please keep the entry to no more than 2 message, if at all possible.

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    Man, this is amazing! So many previous comps where I ran out of time, or was the chair...my time is very limited, but I really hope to get an entry in!

    Saying that someone reading RAW differently than you is "home brewing or house ruling, but that's fine" doesn't make you right, it just makes you seem pompous.

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    I just used a bunch of things that were relevant to ideas for previous rounds crapping the bed in the most recent competition, but I leave so many ideas unfinished for these competitions that I ought to be able to dredge something up.

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    Well um... Yea I'm in. You got me with this one.
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    This is ideal, I had an idea for a previous round that got scuppered by one particular limit, so this should work out nicely.

    I guess we should include which contest we're referring to in the entry somewhere?
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    Okay, this is crazy enough.

    Oh, by the way, 3 entries maximum?
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    Okay, this is crazy enough.

    Oh, by the way, 3 entries maximum?
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    There is now a hard limit on two (2) entries per competitor.
    That was a limit I brought in, when we were getting a buckletload of entries, and scaring judges away...

    Saying that someone reading RAW differently than you is "home brewing or house ruling, but that's fine" doesn't make you right, it just makes you seem pompous.

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    That was a limit I brought in, when we were getting a buckletload of entries, and scaring judges away...
    Oh, guess I'll have to trim down my ideas a bit.

    mumble mumble...

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    I'll also be doing a build for great fun

    glad everyone seems to like this "theme"

    definitely link the original round in your sources/stub, make sure to state which limitation you're removing as well

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    OK, you did it, gotta hand it to you.

    Thats just about the perfect setup.

    Now I "Only" have to find all my old Ideas, check them ALL for "would they work without X limited" and decide.

    I am saying it ahead of time, this one is going to take TIME.

    I hope work will allow me to do over ^^
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    OK, you did it, gotta hand it to you.

    Thats just about the perfect setup.

    Now I "Only" have to find all my old Ideas, check them ALL for "would they work without X limited" and decide.

    I am saying it ahead of time, this one is going to take TIME.

    I hope work will allow me to do over ^^
    The only problem most will have is the fact we usually reveal our stubs after the round ends.

    Though if I hadn't revealed mine I'd be scratching my eyeballs out thinking which two to build.

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    Well, I dont always reveal mine, but yeah, my 2 forr this round at elast will be out. Not bad though, one was overtly complicated, the other a one trick pony anyway. ^^
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    Well then. I really have a lot of thinking to do. I’m assuming that we have access to all of the previous 32 themes, even if we were not around for those themes?
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    This could be interesting...I'll have to look through past entries and see what sounds interesting, of course.

    Part of me considered re-submitting Lenadel Sere and removing the "misunderstood ice queen" thing, but the build didn't violate that rule in any but the most annoyingly literal sense and I figured it would be funnier to say that here than to resubmit an old build.
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    Well then. I really have a lot of thinking to do. I’m assuming that we have access to all of the previous 32 themes, even if we were not around for those themes?
    That seems to be the rule.

    Additionally, you can take away one single requirement, which might just let you do a build you could because the round was too restrictive (the recent round 31, for example).

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    Okay, so another question that will theoretically change my build idea a little bit.

    If a round’s rules disallows more than one build option in a single Limitation (like banning more than one class, PrC, or a subset of different monsters), would getting rid of said Limitation put all of those options back on the table, or just one of them?
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    Okay, so another question that will theoretically change my build idea a little bit.

    If a round’s rules disallows more than one build option in a single Limitation (like banning more than one class, PrC, or a subset of different monsters), would getting rid of said Limitation put all of those options back on the table, or just one of them?
    pm me with it. in this case since my answering here would be both speculation, and possibly ruin it for your entry, I'll answer it in private.

    then just quote me in your builds explanation.

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    pm me with it. in this case since my answering here would be both speculation, and possibly ruin it for your entry, I'll answer it in private.

    then just quote me in your builds explanation.
    I think you'll be receiving quite a few of these ruling questions this time around. I'll likely ask one soon as well. Maybe tomorrow or Saturday.

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    Hmmm, indeed. I think I just had an inspiration. ^^

    So just to make sure: regarding overall Build Rules this comp takes precedence (so say, no 32pts pointbuy as some old Comps had), but we can remove a certain limitation of a foregone Comp if we follow that comps theme only?
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    Hmmm, indeed. I think I just had an inspiration. ^^

    So just to make sure: regarding overall Build Rules this comp takes precedence (so say, no 32pts pointbuy as some old Comps had), but we can remove a certain limitation of a foregone Comp if we follow that comps theme only?
    yes, whatever round you're picking is your theme, but creation rules are based off current standards.

    you're only removing 1 limitation, not a creation standard.

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    Welp, I've already thought of one idea that I can't get to work well (mechanically) and one that's worth submitting. I'll describe the former once the submission period is over, and the latter...well, you'll see.
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    Turns out the build I was hyped for is illegal because the [REDACTED] is [REDACTED], instead of [REDACTED].

    Well, back to the drawing board it is.

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    So I don't think I need blanket approval on that Limitation after all. I might PM just in case my build idea hits another potential snag, but I'm playing around with different entries in any case. I do have another question, though (I guess this would be for the whole comp's ruling, not just the Judges).

    For Originality, are we taking into account the entries already submitted for the theme we're applying for? For instance, if I make a build for a theme that only had 1-2 arguably less 'out there' entries, is it fair to judge that as more original than one of those builds? Or is Originality going to be, as usual, looking at the uniqueness of the build on its own merits?
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    yes, whatever round you're picking is your theme, but creation rules are based off current standards.

    you're only removing 1 limitation, not a creation standard.
    That's relevant, because otherwise I would remove the rule about taint, and re-submit one of my favorite entries.

    Saying that someone reading RAW differently than you is "home brewing or house ruling, but that's fine" doesn't make you right, it just makes you seem pompous.

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    I'll throw my hat in the ring, I suppose. I'll deploy one I've been sitting on for awhile. Should be interesting.
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    For Originality, are we taking into account the entries already submitted for the theme we're applying for? For instance, if I make a build for a theme that only had 1-2 arguably less 'out there' entries, is it fair to judge that as more original than one of those builds? Or is Originality going to be, as usual, looking at the uniqueness of the build on its own merits?
    if i were judging, i would base it simply of how original it is for the original theme, within the context of this round.

    going back and comparing an entry vs a few hundred builds is not something i would entertain personally, but I'm not judging, so of course that could happen.

    we trust folks to either not plagiarize, or to list something as a tribute. if that doesn't cover what you're thinking, i would say you have nothing to worry about.

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    Spent the whole day today trying to get the build stub done while I still have time. It was pretty much ready, and then I realized [REDACTED] was [REDACTED], and now the whole build doesn't work because [REDACTED].

    This idea is harder than I thought.

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    Any chance that Kaws is planning to share his [REDACTED] with the class once the submission window closes?
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