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2019-06-19, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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What is actually, mechanically puzzling, as far as Helm goes, is that Anomen can change alignment to Chaotic Neutral and change personality to "I spit on order!" and...remain a priest of Helm.
(Mechanically in BG2, of course, a priest of Helm is required to be Something Neutral, not Lawful Something--but aside from not making sense, that just means LG Anomen is the mechanical anomaly.)Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2019-06-19, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm going to take this as more evidence that Anomen is crap. Even his mechanics don't make sense! At least I'm willing to forgive Jaheira as she's calmed down from BG1, even if she's a little...Too intent on replacing Khalid.
More on topic, as someone who has not played Divinity Original Sin, how would fans of the series expect the love interests to be?For all of your completely and utterly honest needs. Zaydos made, Tiefling approved.
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At least in the second one, the romance was extremely quiet. There was one scene where you could pick a lover two thirds of the way through the game if they liked you enough (including, oddly, Fane the skeleton, as either the player or NPC) and then aside from a couple "I fully support you and everything you stand for" comments, it never really comes up again.
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2019-06-19, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-19, 11:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Apparently, they are considering doing some tweaking of the ranger class in BG3 (and possibly D&D in general).
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2019-06-20, 02:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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They did say they were going to modify the rules as needed and I'm glad they're willing to do it rather than try to faithfully translate the rules. Rangers are in particular need of it, because not only is the class a mess in general but their main shtick - wilderness survival - is difficult to make work in a video game.
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2019-06-20, 06:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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For me, "faithfully" adapting something is taking the essence of what made a work great, and try your best to adjust for its weaknesses.
For example, they could keep the Champion subclass without problem. But the Ranger did suck. And.. I am not sure how they could adapt the Cleric's "I summon my deity"
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2019-06-20, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, they're not wrong, Ranger is a hot mess, even the updated version really isn't that good, and its applicability in a video game setting is probably even worse unless you bake in the sorts of things that Rangers do (rolling to track or to survive in wilderness) which just seems more like 'character tax' to force the player to have a ranger hanging around just to deal with these things but is otherwise useless.
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2019-06-20, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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For the general Anomen discussion (): while my original comment was obviously sarcastic, I do actually like Anomen's writing, in which it's a character one likes to hate. It's much more preferable to Bioware's usual Generic Soldier Dude characters, for example.
Another example of a similar character is Durance from PoE1, in my opinion. You disagree with him, he irritates you, but he's pretty well-written (and well acted).Last edited by Cespenar; 2019-06-20 at 07:52 AM.
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2019-06-20, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm still just baffled how they thought an arrogant, pompous, moronic jerk was going to appeal to women. I do agree, he is well written, but he's so well written to be unlikable, that I have to wonder what was going on in people's heads to make him a romance option.
Also, his programming has an odd quirk that he can ask to 'spend a night' with the character in a graveyard. Good going there, hero.For all of your completely and utterly honest needs. Zaydos made, Tiefling approved.
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2019-06-20, 05:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-20, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Fixed that for you. Anomen is actually a competent melee character at all stages of the game and does grow as a person and partner, compared to Rasaad who ranges from "awful" to "barely passable" and who seems too woefully occupied with his loaded backstory catching up to him to actually meaningfully grow. Both characters have flaws in their personalities, but
Spoiler: romance spoilersAnomen can at least give you a happy marriage without getting you both killed by random mooks. If there's any fitting epitaph to the Monk class in BG2 is that Rasaad is an epic Monk who took part in near-cosmic events and yet can't win a fight with a former Bhaalspawn at his side.
That's right, Rasaad made me appreciate Anomen. I recommend Dorn for a prospective lover instead; I hear once you go half-orc, you're gonna need a wheelchair. Of course, Beamdog can't give us what we want and let us smash the Baeloth. My fist shakes angrily. With my usual panache, of course.
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2019-06-20, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd rather carry Rasaad useless butt over having to hear Anomen...ONE. MORE. TIME.
SpoilerAnd yeah, rather die with bald and handsome rather then live with the pompous jerk. Sort of Dorn eating a puppy repeatedly, I don't think ANYTHING could make me appreciate Anomen at all.
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2019-06-20, 06:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm disappointed that my half-elf lady couldn't get friendly with Aerie.
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2019-06-20, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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With NPC mods having gotten better (we came a long way since stuff like Chloe, although for every Isra or Fade there's a Saerileth or Shandra, I guess) and while figuring that EE stuff can be considered a bit of a fanfic, I suggest you give someone like Gavin or BG2-Xan a try for your heart.
My main issue with Rasaad is that as a literal demigod I find it a hard bargain to try and fall in love with someone so bad.
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2019-06-20, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-20, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Neutral Good Priest of Lathander. Bit of a humble virtuous good boy kinda guy with a strong sense of duty and not much of an adventuring bone until he gets tossed into the fray. Won't romance assassins, bounty hunters and necromancers because of this. His brothers from an alternate universe both got Law degrees.
I'm not usually a fan of NPC mods and don't fancy installing them, so most of what I'd recommend is stuff that generally stays in its own lane, both power- and personality-wise. That generally means no overpowered (or woefully underpowered) statlines and a rather healthy limit to hogging the player's time with interactions. I remember Kelsey (another male NPC romancable by female characters) being one of the earliest attempts at treading these waters.
Though, of course, I figure it's actually easier to find a bisexual / lesbian NPC companion with mods nowadays than it is to find a male companion. Incidentally, aforementioned Fade (tiefling shadow thief) and Isra (female paladin of Sune) both fit the bill, and are rather decently written, too.
Incidentally, I just realized that all of these fem-romancable NPCs are actually written by women, so apparently the woeful shortchanging female players have experienced didn't go unnoticed.
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2019-06-20, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-20, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Having played through the game many times, Anomen is probably my favorite of the 4 NPC romance options. He actually grows and develops from an arrogant brat to a disciplined and confident man who has faced inner darkness, overcome it, and learned from his mistakes. Jaheira has angst and the Harpers, Aerie just wants comfort (except when she doesn't), and Viconia is the only other one who has much opportunity to learn and grow and change.
For me, the characters who grow up or change are always the most interesting, like Londo and G'Kar in Babylon 5.
Haer'Dalis can just go soak his entropic head in a bucket. He's annoying and too squishy.Last edited by J-H; 2019-06-20 at 07:29 PM.
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2019-06-20, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually a candidate for one of the best tanks in the game due to the specifics of how tanking ends up working out in the BG Saga. He does kinda suck when he's at 30~ HP when you first join him, I suppose.
Spoiler: explanationPlate classes have a hard time getting either Armor Class or percentage damage reduction to high values and have to itemize for it whereas Haer'dalis easily reaches the hard cap on AC and simply turns on a couple of spells that make him immune to damage for a few turns when needed. On Insane difficulty in particular, pure Fighters end up going splat without Hardiness, Defender of Easthaven, and/or massive lifesteal.
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2019-06-20, 11:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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While we're talking about the most handsome devils, anyone else notice that Edwin gets used more as a forum avatar on the internet than any other BG character?
There's something about Edwin.
Lots of people know it and want that mug as their personal profile representation.
An Edwin romance should have been in the game! Instead he only flirts with Viconia.Last edited by Kyutaru; 2019-06-20 at 11:22 PM.
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2019-06-21, 12:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-06-21, 12:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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The one thing that particularly sticks out (negatively) to me about the added romance options in the BG Enhanced Editions is this: not only are all of the added same-sex options Evil-aligned, all of the added Evil-aligned characters are same-sex romance options, which I feel brings it even further into the 'unfortunate implications' territory. (Neera in particular makes me ask "why did they think we needed another exclusive M/F romance option when that's the only combination we had several of in the original version?")
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2019-06-21, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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I get what you're saying, but just to clarify, Dorn is bisexual (or, to expand the notion further, he seems to be utterly uninhibited in his "conquests"). I'm also not sure about the implications that both Evil NPCs are coded as struggling with racial prejudice (or at least Dorn is), but that's a wee bit too far into politics talk and likely a stretch.
I'm going to also guess that they wanted to avoid the idea that everyone is bi, for whatever reason, most likely because the writing might make it sound that the NPCs are all just magically playersexual.
Spoiler: spoileriffic ramblingA thing that annoys me is that every single one of the new romance interests is immune to the Bodhi kidnapping. Even if the kidnapping scene could be interpretted as being too much of a damsel moment, it still really sticks out when you compare it to vanilla behavior. The way esp. Dorn's kidnapping fails reads as a playground-style "nuh-uh, my laser is 2x BIGGER!" argument, and also sort of helps paint Bodhi as incompetent. And also further cements Rasaad as being unable to do anything outside of a cutscene.
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2019-06-21, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Eh, my general stance on RPG romances is that it leaves one way more content when one sees it as bonus (added) material, rather than a requisite.