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    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    If we're going to fight Illithids, I do hope they don't copy D&D too closely, or else playing a fighter or another class without a good Wisdom save is going to be less than advisable.
    Isnt most Illithid stuff int saves though?

    For the trailer, I feel illithids are imho an odd choices but a believable group of villains. I assume there is a twist involved because it would be extremely boring narratively if the guys from the very first trailer where actually the only major villains.

    One thing I am asking myself though. We can see the logo of the Flaming Fist on the infected human's armor. This is shorthand to tell a) that the city is possibly under siege b) it IS Baldur's Gate in location. But does this also mean that it is linked to the Bhaalspawn saga? Because that is I think about 100 years in the past.

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    The typical format of BG1 & 2 included a large number of sidequests and several points where the main quest had no time pressure. This was one of the great parts about BG2.

    If they copy this in BG3, then either we start off with the Gate already invaded, and the party outside working their way in and under and around while helping survivors and dealing with feuds in the outlying lands... or we start with the Gate intact, and a chase after cultists and artifacts that escalates over time until the invasion is triggered; the party then suffers a major loss or is imprisoned and must work their way out, become more powerful, and close the portal/kill the elder brain/crash a Spelljammer into the Nautiloid.

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    If I were to make up something to justify Baldur's Gate 3 membership of the overall BG canon, maybe makeup the idea that the Ascendency of the Bhaalspawn has either :

    - changed the timeline and prevented the Gith rebellion, an now never-beaten future Illithids are invading
    - opened a rift in this world's transdimentional shielding (whatever) that allowed a new invading army of Illithids to pass through

    Make it relevant to the Bhaalspawn somehow..

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    Iím going to have to resist preordering but iím stoked!

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    I'm guessing I'll have to hold off on my planned playthrough of the first two games until after this is out to see how my Bhaalspawn's decisions impact the narrative of this new one.
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    Hmm, my only experience with this studio was Divinity: Original Sin 1, which was good but also had pretty goofy 4th-wall breaking writing, so hopefully they're also good at the more serious, immersive style that Baldur's Gate has. (Haven't played D:OS2, so no comment there)

    I'm also hoping they do as good a job writing companions as BG2 did. I hope they don't overuse references to the originals. As much as I love Minsc, he really doesn't need to be the coverboy for everything related to Baldur's Gate.

    I'm not sure how I'll like 5e rules in a videogame. Part of the reason I loved the orginal baldur's gate games was how breakable they were. I don't powergame in games with other people but in videogames I like to flex those muscles. And RPGs that flatten out power levels tend to kind of bore me as character building becomes less interesting.

    Otherwise, I'll be watching progress here with interest. No preorders of course. Never preorder.

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    Any chance for getting a link to the trailer, pl0x :P
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    @the linked interview: It says aims to do what no other RPG has, but I can't see what they're even referring to. Everything they actually say puts it as a relatively classic RPG design with more modern features, which isn't that uncommon.

    They also had "We're implementing Stadia fairly deep into the game, actually" which raises a lot of questions. If this is going to require Stadia then it is a non-starter for me, because the last thing I need or want is a streaming service for my games. Now if it just uses their networks for MP that is fine, but not "you have to subscribe to Stadia to play at all."

    Other than that, nothing in the interview sounded bad, and definitely worth following. It did make me give another look at Divinity: Original Sin. I'm sure it is no coincidence that those games just happen to be the Steam weekend deals, I might have to pick up the first one and see what they've done as a company.

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    Well, Larian made great turn-based combat in both D:OS games, so there's hope new BG will be turn based instead of realtime with pause like previous games. There's nothing wrong with that style, of course, but I prefer TB.

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    I'm not sure how I'll like 5e rules in a videogame. Part of the reason I loved the orginal baldur's gate games was how breakable they were. I don't powergame in games with other people but in videogames I like to flex those muscles. And RPGs that flatten out power levels tend to kind of bore me as character building becomes less interesting.
    If they implement the whole 5e rule set faithfully, the game will be breakable six ways from Sunday.

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    It's just that ..... I cannot imagine Larian's writers being good enough. They're decent enough, but highly memorable writing isn't what stands out about their previous games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxWilson View Post
    If they implement the whole 5e rule set faithfully, the game will be breakable six ways from Sunday.
    Not like BG is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CantigThimble View Post
    Not like BG is.
    Heh. Now you're making me curious. I may have to check those games out, or at least read a TVTropes article.

    To me the epitome of breakable-in-dozens-of-completely-different-ways fun is Master of Magic, with Dominions 5 as a close second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSCrankshaw View Post
    That's not a hard and fast rule in video games. Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Divinity: Original Sin, Neverwinter Nights. Though they take place in the same worlds, they all have different characters.

    Anyway, there's more information in this interview.
    True, but itís the expectation established for Baldurís Gate, with 2 being a direct sequel of 1, and there being other games (Dark Alliance) with the Baldurís Gate name not part of the main arc. I have no problem with this being called Baldurís Gate, but with the Bhaalspawn saga having been so prominent in 1 and 2 it feels dishonest to call it 3. Perhaps BG was unusual in having 2 be a direct sequel of 1, but that makes it even more notable that it was and thus established a pattern for this series.

    Edit: the interview really does nothing but support my irritation at this decision. Asked about what attracted them to the Baldurís Gate licence, they talk about Dungeons and Dragons more widely. No mention of the epic scale of the Bhaalspawn saga or anything like that. It feels like they donít see that story, which I loved so much, as an important factor of the series, that they donít remember how 2 followed on from 1.

    Understand that Baldurís Gate was a formative experience for me. My username is my PC from that game. My signature is a quote from Minsc. Again, I have no problem with using the name Baldurís Gate, but with it being called 3 it feels tied to the old saga in ways the game wonít be. It should be itís own thing, Baldurís Gate: interesting subtitle. Then if itís successful they could choose to carry on this new story, in which case we get Baldurís Gate: interesting subtitle 2, or they do a new game in the same vein, in which case itís Baldurís Gate: brand new subtitle. Just not 3. It shouldnít be 3.
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    Any chance for getting a link to the trailer, pl0x :P
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    Descent into Avernus might already be the first wotc adventure I will buy and now this? I'm stoked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CantigThimble View Post
    I'm not sure how I'll like 5e rules in a videogame. Part of the reason I loved the orginal baldur's gate games was how breakable they were.
    Well, you might find some tidbits here of interest:
    https://www.pcgamer.com/au/baldurs-g...d-5th-edition/

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    It's just that ..... I cannot imagine Larian's writers being good enough. They're decent enough, but highly memorable writing isn't what stands out about their previous games.
    Unfortunately, this is the most valid point on my mind at the moment as well. I know good RPG writing isn't limited to Obsidian et al, but Baldur's Gate can't get on with simply okay writing.
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    Yes, I can't say I was too impressed by the writing in Divinity 2 and DOS2. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't outstanding either. And it leans a bit too much towards the absurd. Both in terms of humour and the general... high-concept weird plot elements, like the tower in Divinity 2. Where you had to choose which people would serve you and which would die.
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    ...Technically, one might criticize the technicality that since this game's story is completely separate from the original Baldur's Gate series, the game's name should be something else than "Baldur's Gate 3", because it's not a sequel to the original story.

    But not me. I honestly don't care.

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    Do we know what platforms it will be on? Will it be ported to Android like the others were?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr View Post
    If I were to make up something to justify Baldur's Gate 3 membership of the overall BG canon, maybe makeup the idea that the Ascendency of the Bhaalspawn has either :

    - changed the timeline and prevented the Gith rebellion, an now never-beaten future Illithids are invading
    - opened a rift in this world's transdimentional shielding (whatever) that allowed a new invading army of Illithids to pass through

    Make it relevant to the Bhaalspawn somehow..
    Because people dying with Illithid larvae inside their heads don't die but become enslaved and live on millenia? It's not murder if the person continues to live with a parasite, right? So a god of murder miiiight loose its divine spark even though I assume there is more than enough actual murder going around.

    My cynical self assumes that Larian's writers just asked Wizards: "What are the most tentacly sticky things unique to Faerun that we can use as villains." and their response was Aboleths and Mindflayers.

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    Thirded, I'm afraid. Hopefully the weirdness of Divinity's plots were because they wanted it to be odd, not that they couldn't do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickl_2000 View Post
    Do we know what platforms it will be on? Will it be ported to Android like the others were?
    Well.... PC is obviously one. Divinity 2 was eventually brought to PS4 and XB1.

    And the Enhanced Editions of Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, etc are all coming to consoles in September (including Switch).

    So.... I mean... I expect PC release first with a possible release on XB1, PS4 and maybe Switch within a year of the PC launch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaappleton View Post
    Well.... PC is obviously one.
    Yeah, they confirmed PC and Stadia as release platforms at least, and for PC they specified that they will be on both GOG and Steam.

    And for the grander reveal, I am PUMPED! So glad that we'll finally get a proper 5e video game, and Larian did a great game with DOS1/2, so I have great faith in them. This is going to be AMAZING! :D

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    Do we have an estimated release date?
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    Do we have an estimated release date?
    Christmas 2019. But that's just my estimate, and I have no idea. ;p
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    They live in the Underdark, and we only saw Athlaklan sewers in BG2, so the connection there is kinda weak ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptin Keen View Post
    It's just that ..... I cannot imagine Larian's writers being good enough. They're decent enough, but highly memorable writing isn't what stands out about their previous games.
    Yeah that's fair. They come up with good ideas, but their characters never really feel alive to me, and I can't say that their overarching plots really drive investment either. I do think they make good games but that's because of the gameplay rather than the writing.

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