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    For the longest time, I've been pretty down on black. As much as WotC insists that none of the colors are inherently evil, I saw very little of value in black's worldview. All the other colors have good values and ideals that are worth pursuing and preserving in balance, and adding black to any of them just seems to corrupt and debase them. White's concern for the good of all becomes narrow tribalism. Green's respect for fate and nature becomes cynical nihilism. Blue's pursuit of knowledge and truth becomes a tool for personal gain. And red's noble passion and love of liberty becomes selfish hedonism. All the supposed positive traits that black has are things that are in my opinion not positive at all (moral relativism, exaltation of the self) or traits that could just as easily be found in other colors (resourcefulness, drive).

    But taking stock of my character flaws, it does appear that many of them stem from a deficiency in the classically black traits. Complacency, indecisiveness, self-hate, lack of ambition. It seems that a big part of my growth would be learning to embrace the black side of human existence more, rather than rejecting it entirely as I have done. Even if I want to pursue a life for the sake of others rather than for my own self-interest, it's important for me to have a firm sense of self and drive to fulfill my own desires. I don't think I'll ever agree with black's core philosophy, but I might have to acknowledge it as a worthy color that's as important as the others in its own way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Ghost View Post
    For the longest time, I've been pretty down on black. As much as WotC insists that none of the colors are inherently evil, I saw very little of value in black's worldview. All the other colors have good values and ideals that are worth pursuing and preserving in balance, and adding black to any of them just seems to corrupt and debase them. White's concern for the good of all becomes narrow tribalism. Green's respect for fate and nature becomes cynical nihilism. Blue's pursuit of knowledge and truth becomes a tool for personal gain. And red's noble passion and love of liberty becomes selfish hedonism. All the supposed positive traits that black has are things that are in my opinion not positive at all (moral relativism, exaltation of the self) or traits that could just as easily be found in other colors (resourcefulness, drive).

    But taking stock of my character flaws, it does appear that many of them stem from a deficiency in the classically black traits. Complacency, indecisiveness, self-hate, lack of ambition. It seems that a big part of my growth would be learning to embrace the black side of human existence more, rather than rejecting it entirely as I have done. Even if I want to pursue a life for the sake of others rather than for my own self-interest, it's important for me to have a firm sense of self and drive to fulfill my own desires. I don't think I'll ever agree with black's core philosophy, but I might have to acknowledge it as a worthy color that's as important as the others in its own way.
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    I like that I can get a guild logo on a cup now.
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    I like that I can get a guild logo on a cup now.
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    | White: 291 | Blue: 470 | Black: 225 | Red: 297 | Green: 175 |

    I took the longest version as well, after reading the thread. Interesting, I don't know what I expected, but this doesn't feel right. I think it's the marked difference between black and white/red and the major lagging behind of green. But I can get behind Jeskai, thinking on it white does fit reasonably well with the Izzet in me, sort of tempering the red...

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    | White: 291 | Blue: 470 | Black: 225 | Red: 297 | Green: 175 |

    I took the longest version as well, after reading the thread. Interesting, I don't know what I expected, but this doesn't feel right. I think it's the marked difference between black and white/red and the major lagging behind of green. But I can get behind Jeskai, thinking on it white does fit reasonably well with the Izzet in me, sort of tempering the red...
    That looks mono blue to me.
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    Are you being served, sir?
    That cup a little bit up the page has the “lawful evil” logo on it.
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    That cup a little bit up the page has the “lawful evil” logo on it.
    No, that's the Esper logo. Esper is not inherently LE, though it tends to be, and LE is not inherently Esper either.

    It's also extremely unofficial.
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    No, that's the Esper logo. Esper is not inherently LE, though it tends to be, and LE is not inherently Esper either.

    It's also extremely unofficial.
    Fair enough. I mostly just wanted Red Fel to see the cup.
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    On the 150-question quiz:
    | White: 161 | Blue: 464 | Black: 161 | Red: 249 | Green: 166 |

    Mono blue, but with a bit of red mixed in. I think that's fairly close to how I think of myself. I'm very perfectionistic and academical, but I sometimes get emotional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyingbooks42 View Post
    On the 150-question quiz:
    | White: 161 | Blue: 464 | Black: 161 | Red: 249 | Green: 166 |

    Mono blue, but with a bit of red mixed in. I think that's fairly close to how I think of myself. I'm very perfectionistic and academical, but I sometimes get emotional.
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    Fair enough. I mostly just wanted Red Fel to see the cup.
    Meh. Not my kind of cup. I prefer this one.



    But I appreciate the logo. I dig it. Sinister vibe.
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    I took the brand archetype quiz for my tutoring business. My tutoring business is a Sage-Ruler-Magician.

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    One word: Control. The Ruler wants to create a prosperous and successful family, company, or community. Brands that enhance or promote power, help people become and stay organized, or promise safety and stability in a chaotic world are easily identified as Ruler archetypes.

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    Interesting Concept of Color philosophy, and interesting article/test. I got Blue/White, leaning towards blue.

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    Interesting Concept of Color philosophy, and interesting article/test. I got Blue/White, leaning towards blue.
    Sounds like me when I was younger before I got wise and shifted slowly to blue/black.
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    I haven't played MTG for over 20 years, though I do still have all my cards stored away in a box somewhere. I doubt I'd really recognise much of the game as it is now. I do seem to recall that when I did play, it was mostly white, white/green or green/red.

    My results come up with blue dominant (around 290), with white/green/red all around 215 and black way back at about 150. Makes sense.

    I like knowledge, learning and understanding, often just for the enjoyment of finding out knew things. Combined that with w/g/r gives what I'd like things to be, but might but just a little too idealistic for this world - freedom and creativity, harmony and peace, truth and heroism. Basically the freedom to be what you want, to do what you want, as long as it is working towards improving the lives of others and remains within the structures of the community. There have to be some laws or things descend into anarchy after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Ghost View Post
    For the longest time, I've been pretty down on black. As much as WotC insists that none of the colors are inherently evil, I saw very little of value in black's worldview. All the other colors have good values and ideals that are worth pursuing and preserving in balance, and adding black to any of them just seems to corrupt and debase them. White's concern for the good of all becomes narrow tribalism. Green's respect for fate and nature becomes cynical nihilism. Blue's pursuit of knowledge and truth becomes a tool for personal gain. And red's noble passion and love of liberty becomes selfish hedonism. All the supposed positive traits that black has are things that are in my opinion not positive at all (moral relativism, exaltation of the self) or traits that could just as easily be found in other colors (resourcefulness, drive).

    But taking stock of my character flaws, it does appear that many of them stem from a deficiency in the classically black traits. Complacency, indecisiveness, self-hate, lack of ambition. It seems that a big part of my growth would be learning to embrace the black side of human existence more, rather than rejecting it entirely as I have done. Even if I want to pursue a life for the sake of others rather than for my own self-interest, it's important for me to have a firm sense of self and drive to fulfill my own desires. I don't think I'll ever agree with black's core philosophy, but I might have to acknowledge it as a worthy color that's as important as the others in its own way.
    I have a quote that probably counts as either Black-centered Golgari or mono-Black, yet is still (relatively) morally-sound advice (at least IMO):

    "I never understood the 'duel.' If you are at war, use every tool at your disposal; if not, let things lie."
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    From the linked test: Blue 322, Green 192, Red 168, White 128, Black 122.

    Mono blue planeswalker, apparently.

    Interesting, since I always gravitated toward Red and Green in the game itself.
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    I got blue / white; | White: 256 | Blue: 321 | Black: 212 | Red: 102 | Green: 191 |

    For what's it's worth I didn't know what I really expected. But the first sentence of the result description really resonated.

    A Blue/White Planeswalker asks the question how do we know what's right and good? The whole concept of a "rationality technique" is extremely white/blue, the idea that we might create carefully defined, algorithmic heuristics for doing things better according to some outside standard is not one that other color combinations are likely to produce.
    What's good is something that I ask myself quite a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethird View Post
    I got blue / white; | White: 256 | Blue: 321 | Black: 212 | Red: 102 | Green: 191 |

    For what's it's worth I didn't know what I really expected. But the first sentence of the result description really resonated.



    What's good is something that I ask myself quite a lot.
    I struggled with “what’s good” for years. The answer according to my painstaking research is “good” is relative to what pleases the most powerful person or group of people in a given society. I have since been on a quest to obtain that power.
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