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    For me, blue has felt like the neutral color to me. Take Jeskai vs Boros for instance—assuming the colors are weighted equally, both seem to be essentially freedom fighters.
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    White feels left out if you go:

    Blue vs Red - Reaction vs Action
    Green vs Black - Preservation vs Exploitation


    Blue feels left out without a nemesis if you go:

    White vs Red - Order vs Chaos
    Green vs Black - Life vs Death


    Black feels left out if you go:

    White vs Red - Restraint vs Emotion
    Green vs Blue - Body vs Mind


    Red feels left out if you go:

    White vs Black - Group vs Individual
    Green vs Blue - Tradition vs Innovation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhentarim View Post
    For me, blue has felt like the neutral color to me. Take Jeskai vs Boros for instance—assuming the colors are weighted equally, both seem to be essentially freedom fighters.
    The Boros Legion are definitely not freedom fighters.
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    The Boros Legion are definitely not freedom fighters.
    Yeah at best they're cowboy cops. They enforce the law, but either don't always follow procedure, or they get real zealous and passionate about enforcing it and go overboard, with justice sometimes becoming revenge or whatever. basically they're an entire guild of buddy cop shows.
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    So depending on y'alls thoughts, this may go into the overall MtG thread..

    I've been looking at building three color decks recently, and it bothers me because it seems like certain two-color pairs dominate regardless of the third.

    I dislike Golgari. Nothing personal, but I don't like graveyard effects, they seem too dangerous/unstable for me. But regardless if you go BUG, WBG or BRG, most commanders (not all, I admit) are graveyard players.

    I've noticed the same for Izzet. I enjoy Boros, but put together a Narset Jeskai deck, and it will without a doubt be a spellslinger. Same case for BUR.

    There could be a mechanical reason they don't want to build Angels w/ scry or a Merfolk Hybrid that adapts w/ discard **sorry, side note, but how great would that be? Adapt 3, but instead of 5 mana, discard 3 cards?**

    Anyway, do you think this is a mechanical reason or a philosophical one? Do you think that w/ three-color builds, there are specific two-color parts that always shine stronger?

    I am a RUG myself, but practically mono-red. So in my case, the Simic pairing is actually weaker than the 3rd element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karnitis View Post
    I dislike Golgari. Nothing personal, but I don't like graveyard effects, they seem too dangerous/unstable for me. But regardless if you go BUG, WBG or BRG, most commanders (not all, I admit) are graveyard players.
    Out of the 16 Jund commanders, while a lot have dying synergy, only 3 have actual graveyard synergy.

    Out of the 11 Sultai commanders, only four have graveyard synergy.

    Out of the 7 Abzan commanders, three have graveyard synergy.


    I've noticed the same for Izzet. I enjoy Boros, but put together a Narset Jeskai deck, and it will without a doubt be a spellslinger. Same case for BUR.
    Jeskai have a lot of spellslingers, being 5 out of 9.

    However, out of 18 grixis commanders, 2 are spellslingers.


    Jeskai is the only one of these where you might have a point.

    There could be a mechanical reason they don't want to build Angels w/ scry or a Merfolk Hybrid that adapts w/ discard **sorry, side note, but how great would that be? Adapt 3, but instead of 5 mana, discard 3 cards?**
    An angel that scries isn't Jeskai, and a merfolk that requires discard to adapt isn't Sultai.


    Anyway, do you think this is a mechanical reason or a philosophical one? Do you think that w/ three-color builds, there are specific two-color parts that always shine stronger?
    Out of the 5 spellslinger Jeskai commanders, 2 are from Tarkir block, and two are from a commander precon build around flashback to enable that deck. Also, 4 out of the 5 are from Tarkir, so it makes sense that they care about spells since Jeskai care about spells. I think that explains a lot of it.
    Edit: And if they work off noncreature spells instead of only instant and sorceries that is the white part, because white cares about artifacts and enchantments.

    I am a RUG myself, but practically mono-red. So in my case, the Simic pairing is actually weaker than the 3rd element.
    Out of the 7 Temur commanders, not a single one is primarily UG.
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    Ha, okay, **** me then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Raziere View Post
    Yeah at best they're cowboy cops. They enforce the law, but either don't always follow procedure, or they get real zealous and passionate about enforcing it and go overboard, with justice sometimes becoming revenge or whatever. basically they're an entire guild of buddy cop shows.
    I was giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were at least trying to beat back their oppressors and establish their own foothold—or even more basically, holding to a general ideal that everybody should be free. I suppose that’s what blue adds to red/white?

    Speaking of, I found this gem:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190105...gged/alignment

    This is also a good link:
    http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...ith-More-Green!
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    Those are all super cool. I really like the idea, and the execution, of alignment charts from different values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjaman View Post
    Those are all super cool. I really like the idea, and the execution, of alignment charts from different values.
    I feel like it could be expanded upon, as well.
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