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    Quick rundown:
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    World bad
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    Lost technology waiting to be reclaimed
    Gestalt? Perhaps, perhaps not
    Starting level: Probably 3, open to discussion
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    Current character concept: Caliban Imachinist.

    If we do Gestalt, I'll probably request Connoisseur as the other half, since it's a self contained, Kellus-made jack-of-all-trades class which almost perfectly captures the whole Caliban ethos of eating dangerous monsters/honoured ancestors/mighty foes in order to take their strength for the tribe.

    The Imacination end of things starts out as cloaking devices (think the Predators from Alien vs. Predator) and glamour-y disguises and eventually evolves into more complicated and esoteric stuff. (Imachination can do some really nifty things at higher levels, including computers, GUIs, holodecks and of course just making people fall over dead from fright.) Not sure what I'd take for non-specialist stuff, likely just fill in party gaps with those.

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    Let there be posts!
    You can post, if there was hesitation seeing only reserved ones.

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    Hallo \o

    So what stuff is allowed? Are we doing any of the homebrew stuff we talked about, or are we sticking to core?
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    Right, so I'm not the best DM in the world, and doubly so for things that involve gramarie. I've had a couple issues before with not quite understanding some things, so if you're planning something crazy or esoteric, run it by me - not so I can veto it, just so I know what the heck is going on when you start working toward it.

    Grek: That's probably fine. I won't have time to fully take in every class feature of every class people will take if we do end up in gestalt, but I'm not going to veto much, except maybe Teramach from the Mythos homebrew. The longer we can avoid turning the game into rocket tag, the more fun it'll be in combat.
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    Hallo \o

    So what stuff is allowed? Are we doing any of the homebrew stuff we talked about, or are we sticking to core?
    Homebrew is a go, but I like the idea of the "primary" (Kellus) disciplines being what's in the world, and cracking open Arks to get access to new ones and extra-advanced technology, so my only caveat is gonna be don't specialize in a non-kellus discipline. If your 10-levels-in-the-future character concept relies on doing so, talk to me about it in PMs, we'll work something out.
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    Currently thinking of specializing in YGGD

    Would the Stargazer from Tome of Radiance be allowed if we do gestalt? I like how the Barriers and such mesh with the concept of planar shennanigans
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    If gestalt, level 3 sounds perfect.
    If not gestalt, I would like to start at level 8, since my level adjustment (if the Innovated-Gramaric Creature template is allowed) would put me at level 6.

    I tend to get Crit'd and die at early levels, but I don't think I can handle anything above Baccaleurate level principles at the beginning of the game; I will have to learn and explore how the system works as we go, but I don't want to start off with fewer than like, 25 or 30 HP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irrelephant View Post
    Currently thinking of specializing in YGGD

    Would the Stargazer from Tome of Radiance be allowed if we do gestalt? I like how the Barriers and such mesh with the concept of planar shennanigans
    I know I said not one post ago that I probably won't veto stuff, but tonally, it doesn't seem like Magical Girls fit at all in a dark setting like this. Plus I don't like the archetype. Personal bias aside, I'm not familiar at all with the source material, just had a quick skim to see what it was. If we can fluff it away from Magical Girldom it might be more appropriate. I can see some potential in the stars, or through the Dream or the Arks in the sky, perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinotaurWarblad View Post
    If gestalt, level 3 sounds perfect.
    If not gestalt, I would like to start at level 8, since my level adjustment (if the Innovated-Gramaric Creature template is allowed) will put me at level 6.

    I tend to get Crit'd and die at early levels, but I don't think I can handle anything above Baccaleurate level principles at the beginning of the game; I will have to learn and explore how the system works as we go, but I don't want to start off with fewerthan like, 25 or 30 HP.
    It'll probably be gestalt, but even if it's not, I'm not going higher than 7 to start. I'm not super familiar with gramarie, and want to explore how it works too as we go.
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    It'll probably be gestalt, but even if it's not, I'm not going higher than 7 to start. I'm not super familiar with gramarie, and want to explore how it works too as we go.
    Okay, fantastic! Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiantnight View Post
    I know I said not one post ago that I probably won't veto stuff, but tonally, it doesn't seem like Magical Girls fit at all in a dark setting like this. Plus I don't like the archetype. Personal bias aside, I'm not familiar at all with the source material, just had a quick skim to see what it was. If we can fluff it away from Magical Girldom it might be more appropriate. I can see some potential in the stars, or through the Dream or the Arks in the sky, perhaps.
    Oh yeah, was definitely not planning to play an actual magical girl/boy

    Crunch-wise, the only aspects of the class really tied to that trope is a redemption mechanic/ability, maybe their ability to deal nonlethal damage. Otherwise it's basically a warlock variant with an emphasis on extraplanar "light"

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    Oh yeah, was definitely not planning to play an actual magical girl/boy

    Crunch-wise, the only aspects of the class really tied to that trope is a redemption mechanic/ability, maybe their ability to deal nonlethal damage. Otherwise it's basically a warlock variant with an emphasis on extraplanar "light"
    Oh. Fair enough then, would be an interesting dynamic. There's no sun in Nevermorph, but the skin of the world is a lush and diverse biosphere rife with bioluminescence, and the light of the arks above can sometimes provide a light almost akin to an early sunrise when they converge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiantnight View Post
    Homebrew is a go, but I like the idea of the "primary" (Kellus) disciplines being what's in the world, and cracking open Arks to get access to new ones and extra-advanced technology, so my only caveat is gonna be don't specialize in a non-kellus discipline. If your 10-levels-in-the-future character concept relies on doing so, talk to me about it in PMs, we'll work something out.
    I was hoping to play a Transevolutionist if we went gestalt, which would require me to specialize in Transvolution.

    I was kinda thinking my character could be a test subject or something from one of the wrecked Arks who survived the crash.

    I do have a couple backup plans if you don't like the sound of that, though.
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    If gestalt, I need to look more into Biollurgical chassis stuff. It may be necessary/helpful for me to gestalt Biollurgical chassis on one side and gramarist on the other. Plus, at later levels I might get to do BOTH perpetual student AND gramarie-lord. That would be nice. I think?

    Edit: Or maybe I should do non-Gramarie stuff on one side and stick with what I know, but... This seems a good chance to go full-dive and test my creativity and inventiveness. Plus, if I do perpetual student AND gramarie-lord, I could assist anyone else in the party by making their preparation go faster, right? So I could be a decent support/assistant for the geniuses and also help with experimentation directly while the geniuses hide behind a sturdy blast shield.
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    @Stevesciguy: Transvolution is one of the ones I'm not so familiar with. What's the game plan for a baccalaureate level TRNV specialist? Some sort of chimeral attack shark-dog-hawk-turtle? Giving yourself claws and fast healing? Spirited charger with a flying fire breathing shark unicorn? What sorts of things would be useful as a side discipline there?

    @MinotaurWarblad: Biollurgical chassis is a race, not a class, so the LA for it would apply to both sides of the gestalt. But you wouldn't have to keep taking levels in it, so double classing gramarie could totally work. Especially if you end up going Gramarie Lord - one of my concerns with Connoisseur is whether there would be enough people in the setting with spells to learn via Swallowed Spell. (Don't worry, I only need a drop of blood! It'll heal right up!)

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    Yeah, at this level it would largely consist of making minor augmentation to myself, and creating some nice guard creatures.

    A good side discipline is either Biollurgy or Alchemetry, because I'll eventually be able to merge myself or any creatures I create with Biollurgical chassis to give myself or the creatures benefits of some of the fancier materials we can make.

    The end game, however, is to craft a super fancy body using several other disciplines, then merge myself with it to turn myself into a super soldier. Not sure how effective that will be, but it sounds fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grek View Post
    @MinotaurWarblad: Biollurgical chassis is a race, not a class, so the LA for it would apply to both sides of the gestalt. But you wouldn't have to keep taking levels in it, so double classing gramarie could totally work. Especially if you end up going Gramarie Lord - one of my concerns with Connoisseur is whether there would be enough people in the setting with spells to learn via Swallowed Spell. (Don't worry, I only need a drop of blood! It'll heal right up!)
    That depends on the GM. Most of the gestalt games I've been in had a rule that allowed LA to only apply to one side of the gestalt.
    Since I am not obligated to take racial hit dice, I want to nab levels in spherecasting classes from Spheres of Power until I could take prestige levels in gramarie stuff.
    I have been inspired with new ideas after reading through Gramarie all the way. I'm thinking less "power armor" and more "mutant cyborg".
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    Kymon is one of the monstrosities created by Nevermorph, BUT the other monsters hunted him from the moment he woke up, for unknown reasons. Cue him running away from all sorts of bio-nightmares and ends up saved by a group of Caliban. While eternally grateful they didn't kill him, he thinks that trying to live in harmony with nature is a stupid idea. Before joining up with the other members of the party, he was (kind of) kidnapped by a group of Nalan researchers as a guinea pig, since they got to test the effects of various drugs, weapons, etc. on a Nevermorph monster. After they realized he was sentient and wasn't going to hurt anything that didn't directly try to hurt him, they started paying him for his involvement and allowed him escorted exploration of the city; their reasons why didn't matter to him (he was just happy to be treated like a person again), but technically they only started doing that to avoid potential legal trouble. As part of both the experimentation and payment, he has received in-depth schooling on the workings of gramarie, which he excels at.
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    What kind of point buy, items, etc. are we looking at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinotaurWarblad View Post
    What kind of point buy, items, etc. are we looking at?
    32 point buy OR roll 4d6 and drop the lowest (I'll make a separate rolls thread here in a minute).
    If you choose one, you do not get the other. There will be no rerolls. 32 point buy is safer and has a higher statistical average, but if you're the gambling type or are feeling lucky, the rolls are an option. If you post a 4d6 roll in the rolling thread, you're rolling all six attributes, either dive in or don't dip your toes.

    I'm not too sure on the items. Considering the nature of the setting (and gramarie in general), I think it'll be fine to grab a weapon and some armor, and we'll figure the rest out from there.
    Nonmagical.

    Are we all agreed on level 3? That'll decide some of the leniency for starting items. We've got someone that wants to work towards a mech, as well as transvolution as a main, and above level 1, so I'm thinking the first order of business is going to be that the party cracks open an Ark.
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    Rolls thread up, check first post.
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    Level 3 sounds fine to me.

    As far as equipment goes, the three 'big' things I can imagine my character wanting would be:
    • Masterwork tools (those early +2s are important) and general supplies (I imagine we can't afford a silver transformer, but some wood, nails, leather, etc. would be handy)
    • Some principle preparation time (having 2-3 hours to make a basic invisibility cloak using Imachination would simplify scouting enormously)
    • Flesh/blood samples. Favourite Feast can be used with ordinary animal meat (or blood sausages in my case), but Swallowed Spell and Swallowed Skill both require intelligent (Int 3+) creatures with the skills/spells I want to acquire. The donor doesn't need to be dead (or even seriously injured - a little blood suffices here), but I can imagine people being wary of selling their blood to weird pointy toothed strangers. (Keeping track of samples is no hassle, and will become a total non-issue if we ever get access to specialist HORT blueprints.)
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    Awesome! Now my next question:
    Do I use the normal stats for a biollurgical chassis (Con 14, Str + Dex = Con x2 [Ex. Str 12, Dex 16], Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 10), or do I use that as a base and derive racial stat boosts from that (Con +4, Str + Dex = +8 [Ex. Str +6, Dex +2], Int +0, Wis +0, Cha +0)?
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    I know the biollurgical chassis normally uses a Heal result of 10, but the minimum level in Heal to learn the biollurgy principles to make a sentient chassis is 7th and it requires a specialist principle. A biollurgy specialist, whether an NPC or not, should put max ranks in Heal. So I assumed an average Heal result of 20, instead of 10. Would this cost a higher LA? I'm looking at +3 LA in total already.....


    As far as equipment goes, Kymon just needs a couple gramaric guns and maybe some mediocre armor.
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    Alright, I'm gonna roll stats because I'm dumb and I like rolling dice. Let's see what I get

    Holy ****:

    (4d6b3)[8]
    (4d6b3)[15]
    (4d6b3)[12]
    (4d6b3)[11]
    (4d6b3)[3]
    (4d6b3)[10]

    Hooo, boy, this'll be a rough start. Guess I better start thinking about where I'll put that 3
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    It occurs to me that I should ask @thethird about Caliban traits. Does pinging someone work on giant? Either way, thrilled to find out what you have in mind for them!

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    It occurs to me that I should ask @thethird about Caliban traits. Does pinging someone work on giant? Either way, thrilled to find out what you have in mind for them!
    They are incarnum based, I'll throw them your way as soon as I get access to my old notes.

    One of the design ideas behind the different races was to make the standard subsystems more available.

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    Alright, I'm gonna roll stats because I'm dumb and I like rolling dice. Let's see what I get

    Holy ****:

    (4d6b3)[8]
    (4d6b3)[15]
    (4d6b3)[12]
    (4d6b3)[11]
    (4d6b3)[3]
    (4d6b3)[10]
    Those look like undead stats to me. Anyway you probably qualify for a reroll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethird View Post
    Those look like undead stats to me. Anyway you probably qualify for a reroll.
    Unfortunately not

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    There will be no rerolls.
    It's not the end of the world though, actually. Specializing in Transvolution means that I can bump up my stats by hybridizing with creatures with better stats. This is relatively fixable.
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    New art for Kymon, since I like it better than his old art.

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