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    "Oh, THAT spear that's impaling me. What about it?"
    - Brackham Durok, Dwarf Meat Shield

    Meat Shields are powerful, slow moving warriors that wear about 2 suits of armor at a time, have sacks of hit points, and wield weapons that weigh more that they do.

    Becoming a Meat Shield

    ENTRY REQUIREMENTS
    Base Attack Bonus +5
    Feats Great Fortitude, Improved Toughness
    Armor Proficiency Must be proficient with at least 1 kind of heavy armor.

    Class Skills
    Skills Points at Each Level: 4 + int
    Intimidate, Ride, Survival, Jump, Swim, Climb, Concentration, Craft, Diplomacy, Knowledge (dungeoneering), Profession, Sense Motive, Spot.

    Hit Dice: d12

    {table=head]Level|BAB|Fort Save|Reflex Save|Will Save|Special
    1st|+1|+2|+2|+2|Bodyguard, Speed Bump 1/Encounter
    2nd|+2|+3|+3|+3|Die Hard, Extreme Hardiness
    3rd|+3|+3|+3|+3|Speed Bump 2/Encounter
    4th|+4|+4|+4|+4|Heavy Armor Damage Reduction
    5th|+5|+4|+4|+4|Speed Bump 3/Encounter
    6th|+6/+1|+5|+5|+5|Make it Last, Supernatural Hardiness, Improved Heavy Armor Damage Reduction
    7th|+7/+2|+5|+5|+5|Speed Bump 4/Encounter
    8th|+8/+3|+6|+6|+6|Shield Other
    9th|+9/+4|+6|+6|+6|Speed Bump 5/Encounter
    10th|+10/+5|+7|+7|+7|Epic Toughness, Greater Heavy Armor Damage Reduction[/table]

    Bodyguard (EX)
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    You gain the ability to absorb a portion of the damage done to an adjacent ally, when an adjacent ally takes damage you may choose to reduce that damage by half but take damage equal to the damage reduced.


    Speed Bump (EX)
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    Once per encounter after taking damage you may choose to reduce that damage by a number equal to your constitution score.


    Make it last (SU)
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    You may add half your constitution score to the number of HP you regain when healed by magical means.


    Die hard (EX)
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    You gain the Die hard feat weather or not you qualify, if you already have the feat you instead gain the toughness feat.


    Extreme Hardiness (EX)
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    You gain immunity to all non-magical disease and poison


    Supernatural hardiness(SU)
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    You gain immunity to all magical disease and poison


    Heavy armor damage reduction (EX)
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    While in heavy armor you gain damage reduction /- equal to your constitution modifier.


    Epic toughness (EX)
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    You gain the Epic toughness feat (+30 hp) weather you qualify or not.


    Improved heavy armor damage reduction (EX)
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    Replaces Heavy armor damage reduction, Improved heavy armor damage reduction works the same but the total DR is improved by 2.


    Greater heavy armor damage reduction (EX)
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    Replaces Improved heavy armor damage reduction, Greater heavy armor damage reduction works like Heavy armor damage reduction but the total DR is improved by 4.


    Shield other (SP)
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    You can use the Shield other spell a number of times per day equal to your constitution modifier.
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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (Incomplete)

    Sounds interesting, but I very highly doubt players will be eagerly asking their DMs and bragging about being a Meat Shield. You must re-name it to sound more epic and appealing to possible players.

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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (Incomplete)

    I know it fits the flavour of the class, but get rid of toughness, NOW!

    Toughness is.......Bleh. Just bleh.
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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (Incomplete)

    Improved Toughness counts as toughness for prerequisites and is found in Complete Warror, Libris Mortis and one of the monster manuals (I think). That feat is actually half-decent.
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    Is it overpowered?

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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (now complete)

    Also how is the DR overcome or is it /-
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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (now complete)

    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    Also how is the DR overcome or is it /-
    The DR is /-.

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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (now complete)

    No. It's actually pretty weak. The hardiness abilities suck. They should be molded together and given earlier. Disease is generally a non-issue in most games. Bodyguard is quite good, and the DR ability is decent. The other stuff is decidedly weak. The bodyguard ability is good though so this is a viable one level dip, but I'd take only that level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloi View Post
    Sounds interesting, but I very highly doubt players will be eagerly asking their DMs and bragging about being a Meat Shield. You must re-name it to sound more epic and appealing to possible players.
    Cmon' I would play one!

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    Fixed!!!!!!!!

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    I was highly disappointed by the lack of a special ability that lets you wear two suits of armor at once.
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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (now complete)

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I was highly disappointed by the lack of a special ability that lets you wear two suits of armor at once.
    That was a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josha View Post
    That was a joke.
    It doesn't have to be.

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    An effective meatshield needs to do two things.

    1. Take attacks. Class gets bonus hp and damage reduction, but no boost to AC, so something like a dwarven defender is going to be better against normal attacks. Because it has two poor saves and no special abilities, it's not going to be as effective at taking magical attacks as, say, a monk.

    2. Draw attacks. Bodyguard does this a bit, but it glues your allies to you, rather than gluing the enemy to you. If the enemy is using something with a status effect, not going to be effective.

    Speed Bump is an effective ability, but simply getting more uses per day is a bit boring. I think it would be better suited as a once per encounter ability, becoming twice per encounter at higher level.

    Skill list and points are a bit harsh.

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    It can't meatshield effectively. It can stop HP damage and that's it, and that requires your allies to all be hindered by your terrible move speed, making any quick hitters or anybody who prefers flight screwed.

    It's... eh. I wouldn't take it, because I become weaker at hitting things and take two bad feats in order to... force my allies to be near me to gain minor benefits against direct damage. Blech.

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    Speed Bump actually has a fair amount of synergism with the Bodyguard and damage reduction class features, which is nice, but as pointed out the pre-requisites are awful and being limited to being next to an ally is... restrictive, to say the least.

    I would definitely change Speed Bump to per encounter uses. This could work as is if you simple expanded Bodyguard's range to something beyond adjacent (like 15' + 5'/class level, just to give an example). A more complicated solution might look something like the mechanic I've used here.

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    Epic Toughness gives +30 HP, not +20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bendraesar View Post
    Epic Toughness gives +30 HP, not +20
    I fixed epic toughness.
    I also added better saves.
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    Thematically, this is a great class, and the name is funny. Mechanically, you have considerable opportunity to add/improve powers before you need to worry about becoming overpowered.

    Some suggestions to consider:
    1. Change base attack requirement to +5. This class isn't powerful enough to justify delaying entry until level 7.
    2. Change Feat Requirements to: Great Fortitude, Improved Toughness. These are similar to, but more effective than, the feats you're currently requiring.
    3. Increase skills per level to 4. You need to be able to do more stuff.
    4. Add Concentration, Craft, Diplomacy, Knowledge (dungeoneering), Profession, Sense Motive and Spot to the list of class skills. The Meat Shield is an all-around bodyguard, which means he's wary for ambushes or dirty tricks, and can sometimes talk his way out of trouble. He's also handy with the skills required for many martial maneuvers, as many Meat Shields are warblades or crusaders.
    5. Replace bodyguard with the ability to use Shield Other as an at-will ability.
    6. The phrase you're looking for is "speed bump".
    7. Implement some method of forcing monsters to attack you, penalizing them when they attack others, and making it difficult for them to move away from you.
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    Added better skills.

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    Is it now overpowered?

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    Here's a table for you; copy, paste, & enjoy:

    {table=head]Level|BAB|Fort Save|Reflex Save|Will Save|Special
    1st|+1|+2|+2|+2|Bodyguard, Speed Bump 1/Encounter
    2nd|+2|+3|+3|+3|Die Hard, Extreme Hardiness
    3rd|+3|+3|+3|+3|Speed Bump 2/Encounter
    4th|+4|+4|+4|+4|Heavy Armor Damage Reduction
    5th|+5|+4|+4|+4|Speed Bump 3/Encounter
    6th|+6/+1|+5|+5|+5|Make it Last, Supernatural Hardiness, Improved Heavy Armor Damage Reduction
    7th|+7/+2|+5|+5|+5|Speed Bump 4/Encounter
    8th|+8/+3|+6|+6|+6|Shield Other
    9th|+9/+4|+6|+6|+6|Speed Bump 5/Encounter
    10th|+10/+5|+7|+7|+7|Epic Toughness, Greater Heavy Armor Damage Reduction[/table]

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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (now complete and fixed)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta Kai View Post
    Here's a table for you; copy, paste, & enjoy:

    {table=head]Level|BAB|Fort Save|Reflex Save|Will Save|Special
    1st|+1|+2|+2|+2|Bodyguard, Speed Bump 1/Encounter
    2nd|+2|+3|+3|+3|Die Hard, Extreme Hardiness
    3rd|+3|+3|+3|+3|Speed Bump 2/Encounter
    4th|+4|+4|+4|+4|Heavy Armor Damage Reduction
    5th|+5|+4|+4|+4|Speed Bump 3/Encounter
    6th|+6/+1|+5|+5|+5|Make it Last, Supernatural Hardiness, Improved Heavy Armor Damage Reduction
    7th|+7/+2|+5|+5|+5|Speed Bump 4/Encounter
    8th|+8/+3|+6|+6|+6|Shield Other
    9th|+9/+4|+6|+6|+6|Speed Bump 5/Encounter
    10th|+10/+5|+7|+7|+7|Epic Toughness, Greater Heavy Armor Damage Reduction[/table]
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    Quote Originally Posted by josha View Post
    Meat Shields are powerful, slow moving warriors that wear about 2 suits of armor at a time, have sacks of hit points, and wield weapons that weigh more that they do.
    I agree we the others, we want the ability to wear 2 suits of heavy armor and wield oversized weapons

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    Default Re: Meat Shield (a 3.5 prestige class)!!! (now complete and fixed)

    Quote Originally Posted by Obamarama View Post
    I agree we the others, we want the ability to wear 2 suits of heavy armor and wield oversized weapons
    How would I go about doing that?

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