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Thread: Days of the Week
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2019-07-15, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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It is attested as sæterndæg in Old English (note the <n>), but I'm unclear to what extent we're being serious or talking about in-universe philology only.
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2019-07-15, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Again: OotS isn't real life. If the question is "why is a day of the week in OotS called saturday, when there isn't and has never been a god named Saturn", then my answer is "because it is not named after a non-existing god, but after an existing one called Surtur".
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2019-07-15, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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This may raise the question "then why does Surtur get a day, when most of the others don't? He's just a minor demigod!" and the answer is "Iunno, they drew straws or something."
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2019-07-15, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hence what I said about not being sure everybody was on the same page as to what the discussion is about. Anyway, I think positing it comes from "Surtur" just adds an unnecessary complication. It's probably just a random name in-universe. These things can't be made sense of once you strip them of their etymology and phonological history, which by necessity are specific to our world.
In fact, I'm going to posit there's no link between "Wednesday" and "Odin" in the OotS world, and Wednesday is Odin's day entirely by coincidence.Last edited by hroțila; 2019-07-15 at 10:36 AM.
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My bet is that Odin's day is Wednesday because Happy Hour on Wednesdays is a long standing tradition, and he wanted to get credit for all of the happiness during happy hour.
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Fun fact:
In portuguese, the days of the week (from monday to friday) are named "segunda-feira", "terça-feira", "quarta-feira", "quinta-feira" and "sexta-feira", meaning something like "second day", "third day", etc until the "sixth day".
Sunday is Domingo, as in spanish, meaning "Day of the Lord", and Saturday is Sábado, which is related to hebraic Shabbat.Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
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Yes, Sunna voted yes.
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Each one of us, alone, is but a drop in the sea
Our powers pale compared with the great heroes
Our battles dont hit theheadlines or shake the earth
But they are few, cant be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
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2019-08-09, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Same in Mandarin: 星期一, 星期二, 星期三, etc.
Theres no use overthinking this. OOTS is a self-aware world based on D&D, either implicitly or explicitly, based on the introduction of Dale Arneson, Gary Gygax, version changes, references to specific rules, etc. In turn, D&D follows in the footsteps of Tolkien. Tolkien wrote in On Fairy Stories that the Secondary World is satisfying inasmuch as it is familiar to the Primary World where the reader lives. Bilbo Baggins has a great many familiar things in his tale that the reader will recognize, despite there being no in-world economic or logical reasons for them to exist (a clock on the mantelpiece that operates on a recognizable Earth timekeeping system, names of months and weekdays, a liquid economy, pocket handkerchiefs, good silverware for company, bound books, etc). Bilbos home is that of a 19th-century English gentleman in order to give a jumping-off point for like-minded readers.
In other words, its possible to build a world from first principles where everything is internally consistent and the characters really do speak Common and the biology is inhuman and the weapons are alien and the timekeeping is different.* Its just not advisable to change too much.
*Weeks are 60 days long and the days are called Mugday, Thugday, Bugday, and Glugday, and they repeat, so there are 15 Glugdays per week.Last edited by Fish; 2019-08-09 at 10:46 AM.
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2019-08-09, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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It should be noted that because Tolkien was Tolkien, the Appendixes of LotR expalins that there is a good deal of translation convention going on regarding the names of the months, days and people in Middle-Earth.
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
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2019-08-09, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-08-09, 03:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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It always bugged me how many small details in Tolkien's languages only worked as English calques. They should have taken his conlanging license.
I just can't get mad at the Baranduin/Branda-nîn/Bralda-hîm/Brandywine/[insert language of translation] joke though.Last edited by hroțila; 2019-08-09 at 03:40 PM.
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Also, "hey, let's state in the Appendixes that the hobbit version of Westron lost its T-V distinction but unlike english it lost the formal form, not the informal AND that no other form of Westron had lost it at the time meaning that to everybody who is not a hobbit sound weirdly bold and disrepectful by addressing complete strangers (raoyaly even) as if they were friends. And then, let's absolutely NOT reflect that in the dialog I wrote".
What a great idea...
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Oh, the thing with the lack of T-V distinction in the hobbit dialect was a stroke of genius.
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