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2019-07-15, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
Uncertain. It simply seems unlikely that Rich would bring the character in for one spell and a throwaway gag, especially one with so much unfinished narrative business. Hilgya’s whole shtick is her grudge against her clan; it’s hard to imagine she won’t come into play during a meeting of said clans.
What form the gambit takes, I don’t know. Maybe Loki told her to walk once the gate was breached, so she could return when the guards’ focus was elsewhere. Maybe she’s secretly going to use her plane shift to rescue the not-Thad guy, but doesn’t want anybody to know what she’s up to.The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-07-15, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
That said, while we know that the strip won't end with the end of the world by Hel, Hilgya does not; she may well be truly focusing on the needs of her child, here, no? And, then, after she finds out she does not need to Plane Shift out of there, she can settle things.
Mind, I don't think the Firehelm clan can afford the trip right now - with herself as the sole exception...
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2019-07-15, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
Most people aren't good at tactical planning and scheming while murderously angry. All her simple first plan hints at is that she's not good at keeping her emotions under control. That, and a certain fondness for fire, which makes sense, seeing as it seems to be Loki's element.
@Fish: Hmm, I had forgotten about not-Thad guy. She might be Haley-esque levels of paranoid ... I couldn't think of any other reason why she wouldn't want his own friends and allies to know what she's up to.
Still, I'd think it more in character for her to first get Kudzu, and then, perhaps, return to battle. If she's anything like Haley, she wouldn't trust others to keep him safe, especially not from the impending apocalypse. (I can't imagine Haley's father would have let anyone babysit her. Not even to go save the world.)
That's an interesting point.
She might be planning to go to the meeting to represent her clan. Can she change locations via planeshift?Last edited by Themrys; 2019-07-15 at 02:26 PM.
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2019-07-15, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
No, the world/material plan gets reset. That's not the entire universe; the outer planes specifically still exist.
Anyway, I see no reason to think that Hilgya has a gambit of any kind. Forget whether she's intelligent or cunning enough, she's shown a distinct lack of interest this entire time. Her really just deciding "Eh, done with this." fits perfectly with literally everything she's said of the matter.Last edited by Rrmcklin; 2019-07-15 at 02:33 PM.
I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2019-07-15, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
Her schtick is her immediate, extreme, shortsighted reactions to every perceived slight. On that score, we can at least credit her race trick as a gambit worthy of a priestess of Loki, while trying to poison her husband really was not -- at least that is a kind of character growth, I suppose.
She seems to have adequately screwed over her own clan sufficiently that there is no reason to expect trouble from that direction.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2019-07-15, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
Apparently her crabapple cobbler tastes like a Poison Spell, so humans probably wouldn't find it appetizing.
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2019-07-15, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
His face when he says it it great too.
He looks like someone who just managed to arrange some epic prank or scam.
Unfortunatly that's now. While Hilgya certainly Held up Loki's ideal, she still acted against against his interest here.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's some (minor?) consequences for this.
Maybe a few days without access to spells or being target to a Loki-brand prank?"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
Ronkong Coma "the way of the bookhunter" III Catacombium
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2019-07-15, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 03:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
It's Loki. Being a target of his pranks is about as bad as things can get*.
Best case scenario, all fire spells cast around Hilgya hit her instead of the intended target.
*Admittedly, it isn't a worst case scenario like Asmodeus himself wanting to murder you dead, but it definitely is up there."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
Ronkong Coma "the way of the bookhunter" III Catacombium
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2019-07-15, 04:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
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Our battles don’t hit theheadlines or shake the earth
But they are few, can’t be everywhere, and we, many
So, when the world or universe needs saving, they come
But when people needs saving, we are the ones to appear
We're underdogs, but we rise up to the challenge to be heroes.
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2019-07-15, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
Ronkong Coma "the way of the bookhunter" III Catacombium
(Walter Moers "Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher")
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2019-07-15, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
No, this is my assessment of her remaining narrative value and speculating on the most efficient method of exhausting it. All things being equal, “Hilgya stays and has it out with a Firehelm clan leader and/or speaks as the Firehelm clan leader” is more efficient than “Hilgya shows up, does very little, wanders away, shows up again for no reason, and talks with her clan leader at a later time.”
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2019-07-15, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
""Jeez, this dress! i look like a dominatrix""
(self-loathing): ""Actually , you look like a sorceress or something""
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2019-07-15, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
Kudzu was the important character in this book..
Hilgya only showed up because she’s the walking half of the Kudzu-Hilgya Master-Blaster combo.
I doubt Kudzu’s story is complete. By extension, Hilgya’s story isn’t complete because she’s connected to Kudzu.
But Hilgya’s stupid squabble with the firehelm clan are so unimportant to me that I’m...Last edited by Dion; 2019-07-15 at 04:57 PM.
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2019-07-15, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
It's hard to be a hypocrite when your guiding philosophy is "Do whatever's best for you"
Oh my Loki. So true!
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2019-07-15, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
Did everyone including Logann forget that there's an easy way to dispel magic effects nearby?
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2019-07-15, 06:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
"Fine with me. Hardly any of these are mine anyway" doesn't sound like an autowin for the non-Hel side. It sounds like Loki doesn't care enough to demand Hel actually engage with the topic, so they stay exactly where they are.
He needs to get through a bunch of dominated guards, and possibly a vampire or two, to get there.Last edited by Reboot; 2019-07-15 at 06:03 PM.
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2019-07-15, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
I wasn't expecting Hilgya to do that, but in hindsight I guess it makes sense that she leave now.
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2019-07-15, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
False. It was Durkon. </dwight>
Hilgya showed up because her story is intertwined with Durkon, who, you may recall, proposed to her not that many strips ago.
But Hilgya’s stupid squabble with the firehelm clan are so unimportant to me that I’m...The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-07-15, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-07-15, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1171 - The Discussion Thread
I care what happens to Hilgya the same way I care what happens to Grubwiggler.
Things I will not say: “Oh boy! I wonder how Grubwiggler will work out his conflict with the thieves guild! And I sure do hope the Firehelms scrape together enough money to keep their cave! I hope there’s a couple strips devoted to both those things at the end of the book!”Last edited by Dion; 2019-07-15 at 06:48 PM.