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    I find Tweedle's reaction here one the last panel disturbing. It's the reaction of a person who sulfured long term abused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandofShadows View Post
    I find Tweedle's reaction here one the last panel disturbing. It's the reaction of a person who sulfured long term abused.
    Keep in mind the family Martellus grew up in. Of COURSE he suffered long term abuse. They all did. That's why they almost all hate each other...

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    Martellus as the voice of reason? How did that happen?
    My takeaway from this strip is that Gil and Tarvek are being typical sparks. By which they are getting monofocus blinders on -- 'here is a thing, and it has been tampered with. We must find a way to un-tamper it.' It takes an outsider (any outsider, in this case Martellus) to point out that out-of-box thinking is what is required in this situation. Not unlike in Oots when Haley needs to point out that con pullers try to make you think there are rules to be followed. I'm not sure why Martellus is the one to see this fact (he is a spark as well), but perhaps that means that it isn't a statement on Sparks, so much as people who have gotten too used to being on 'team Agatha' which of course Lucrezia-Agatha would be able to con.

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    I think it's also that he's coming to the problem fresh, so to speak. Gil and Tarvek have been working on this for a while.

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    Martellus is also, I daresay, growing genre-savvy as well. Survival rate just went up a notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandofShadows View Post
    I find Tweedle's reaction here one the last panel disturbing. It's the reaction of a person who sulfured long term abused.
    Probably more a response to the fact that the other two punched him hard in the face the last time he was talking to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eee View Post
    Keep in mind the family Martellus grew up in. Of COURSE he suffered long term abuse. They all did. That's why they almost all hate each other...
    ... and abuse each other. Yay for perpetual violence...
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    To be all pedantic, it's been stated twice in the comic that he's a Moldavian Puff.
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    Martellus is also, I daresay, growing genre-savvy as well. Survival rate just went up a notch.
    Is this where Tweedle becomes sympathetic, we forget he's a murderer, and like Tarvek joins team "Good"? If Martellus was destined to remain evil instead of comic relief he would have prepared a defense against the attack from 2 foes he's tried to kill for so long instead of a cringe...
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    Is this where Tweedle becomes sympathetic, we forget he's a murderer, and like Tarvek joins team "Good"? If Martellus was destined to remain evil instead of comic relief he would have prepared a defense against the attack from 2 foes he's tried to kill for so long instead of a cringe...
    I foresee him becoming probably not "good" per se, but more on a tier of "useful minion". The kind which you tolerate because the alternatives are much worse and he's kinda useful sometimes and he probably prefers you to the alternative as well.

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    As the Not-Brothers well know, Tweedle will be quite useful for anything involving keeping Agatha safe.

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    I don't see Tweedle becoming "good" per se, or even regarded as as such. But I do see him as being prepared to go up against The Other at any cost - he did say as as much to Agatha, and I don't think he was trying to impress her at the time.

    That's what he is doing now. And I'm sure that the benefits of not having Lucrezia in Agatha's head really haven't entered his mind. At all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Knight View Post
    Is this where Tweedle becomes sympathetic, we forget he's a murderer, and like Tarvek joins team "Good"? If Martellus was destined to remain evil instead of comic relief he would have prepared a defense against the attack from 2 foes he's tried to kill for so long instead of a cringe...
    More sympathetic? Perhaps. But I doubt he'd ever be "good." More of a necessary evil. He's basically won the storm crown, so now has no real need to capture Agatha anymore. And like Agatha and crew, he now has a vested interest in taking down the Other.

    But for example, I wouldn't be surprised if Tweedle slipped an ace up his sleeve when he dosed Oggie with his special brew.

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    Ohhh... with Albia gone, Agatha is no longer restrained. But who is in control of the body? Agatha because she wants to know what this Lucrezia is, or Lucrezia who doesn't want a copy of herself destroyed?

    This oddly enough, looks like an Agatha expression.

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    Agatha may not want that Lu to be destroyed since she is even more useful to Albia than the copy in her head. And they don't have to build a transfer device. Just a wipe device.
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    Oh, and Gil, Tarvek and Martellus are too busy looking at the machine to remember about Agatha? This sort of thing does tend to irritate me about Phil's writing, he too often has seriously smart people act like absolute morons in service of the plot.

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    To be fair, it's implied in most sparks, the more they are in the madness place, the less common sense they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doran View Post
    To be fair, it's implied in most sparks, the more they are in the madness place, the less common sense they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doran View Post
    To be fair, it's implied in most sparks, the more they are in the madness place, the less common sense they have.
    Not some much lack of common sense but utter focus on what they are doing to the exclusion of everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HandofShadows View Post
    Not some much lack of common sense but utter focus on what they are doing to the exclusion of everything else.
    Yep. Plus in this case they're trusting in their allies to handle everything else while they get the machine completely rebuilt from scratch in a matter of minutes.

    By the way, did anyone else notice Oggie's unusual toes? Three toes, two of which having two toe-nails. Almost like they were merged.

    That's an interesting design. I wonder if that's normal or a result of Tweedle's potion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xroads View Post
    Yep. Plus in this case they're trusting in their allies to handle everything else while they get the machine completely rebuilt from scratch in a matter of minutes.

    By the way, did anyone else notice Oggies unusual toes? Three toes, two of which having two toe-nails. Almost like they were merged.

    That's an interesting design. I wonder if that's normal or a result of Tweedle's potion.
    His feet have always been like that.

    And yeah, if this is Lu and not Agatha.. sigh.. this is three times now they've let her wander around unsupervised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoduck View Post
    His feet have always been like that.

    And yeah, if this is Lu and not Agatha.. sigh.. this is three times now they've let her wander around unsupervised.
    Yeah. I'm surprised Violetta hasn't tranqed her yet. But then again, maybe all of the fighters and sneaky types are currently under the thrall of Lu's magic voice. With the Mad Boyz occupied with Science!, that leaves only Oggie to handle the Lu clones. At least til reinforcements arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xroads View Post
    Yeah. I'm surprised Violetta hasn't tranqed her yet. But then again, maybe all of the fighters and sneaky types are currently under the thrall of Lu's magic voice. With the Mad Boyz occupied with Science!, that leaves only Oggie to handle the Lu clones. At least til reinforcements arrive.
    For control purposes they need to be wasped first. Unless they have been wasped off-screen we know that at the very least Violetta was never wasped (Agatha!Lucrezia was surprised to find that out), and the others have shown no signs of being wasped when commanded by Agatha!Lucrezia.

    There is the general effect of someone with the spark, but that looks to be a Spark/Minion thing, and we have really only seen it in play in Mechanicsberg, which Carson explicitly described as a town of Minions directly built up around the Hetrodynes.

    The random troops? Looks like they have been subverted by Albia.

    Oggie? Well, I think Agatha!Lucrezia is going to try and play Agatha to fool him, and find out that like Dimo he has become a little smarter than the average Jager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manga Shoggoth View Post
    For control purposes they need to be wasped first. Unless they have been wasped off-screen we know that at the very least Violetta was never wasped (Agatha!Lucrezia was surprised to find that out), and the others have shown no signs of being wasped when commanded by Agatha!Lucrezia.

    There is the general effect of someone with the spark, but that looks to be a Spark/Minion thing, and we have really only seen it in play in Mechanicsberg, which Carson explicitly described as a town of Minions directly built up around the Hetrodynes.

    The random troops? Looks like they have been subverted by Albia.

    Oggie? Well, I think Agatha!Lucrezia is going to try and play Agatha to fool him, and find out that like Dimo he has become a little smarter than the average Jager.
    I imagine xroads was referring to the scream that incapacitated Zeetha, not any waspings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoduck View Post
    I imagine xroads was referring to the scream that incapacitated Zeetha, not any waspings.
    Fair 'nough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Oh, and Gil, Tarvek and Martellus are too busy looking at the machine to remember about Agatha? This sort of thing does tend to irritate me about Phil's writing, he too often has seriously smart people act like absolute morons in service of the plot.
    I think someone brought that up when she was restrained by energy restraints. And I agree. They might be focused now but when albia restrained her someone should have done that.

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    Please let this arc end with Agatha's brain fixed. Please let this arc end with Agatha's brain fixed.

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    Sigh... this could not possibly happen, if von Zinzer was around.
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