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    Quote Originally Posted by knag View Post
    Does V know Stone to Flesh?
    When Haley got stoned by Z, V said they didn't have that spell prepared, not that they didn't know it. So yeah, probably, and it's not a super high level spell either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    And yet when I suggested this very development some strips ago people screamed at me for being unrealistic.

    Also, I am only accepting apologies in the form of apfelkuchen.
    Was I one of said people? If so, I'll be happy to provide this apple thing of yours, but I warn you: I'm not sure it'd be edible, given I have no recipe or understanding of what I'd be making, and every recipe I am googling seems to be written in some kind of undecipherable script. Or German. But I repeat myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    Or just finish the vote.
    True, this specific case of petrification comes with the clause that it only lasts as long as the meeting does.

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    I just noticed: Durkon collapsing the ancient voting place would also be a nice take on the destruction part of his prophecy.

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    My congratulations go out to the members of the Church of the Sudden Skylight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myta View Post
    I just noticed: Durkon collapsing the ancient voting place would also be a nice take on the destruction part of his prophecy.
    Indeed. We can add it to the list with Odin's Meeting Hal, and the outer chamber of this place. The Historical Preservation society is going to be wanting his blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor West View Post
    My congratulations go out to the members of the Church of the Sudden Skylight.
    I think there'll be more than a skylight in a moment. But yes, congratulations to all ye faithful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malphegor View Post
    I feel bad for Durkon, he's spent so much of the past few stories immobilsed, hahaha.

    On the plus side, petrification is probably easy to fix at their levels. Stone salves, turn stone to flesh, remove curse.
    This petrification should automatically end after the meeting is adjorned.

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    Tsk, the exarch has so little appreciation for the dramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    But it does highlight that the usual votes are so insignificant that the domination didn't really concern them before now. It seems it would usually not matter that half the council was under vampire domination, if all they were doing was voting on flower arrangements for some festival or the like.

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    ...I sure hope whatever Durkon has in mind, it doesn't end up killing everyone in the room. I guess that most of them are wealthy enough for their families raise them, though.
    Incredible how the ability to reverse death makes loads of people more comfortable with collateral murder.


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    On the plus side, petrification is probably easy to fix at their levels. Stone salves, turn stone to flesh, remove curse.
    Yeah, we just need to wait a day and Durkon can prepare...crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold View Post
    Yeah, we just need to wait a day and Durkon can prepare...crap.
    If only there were more than one spell caster in the vicinity not turned to stone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold View Post
    I doubt that flower arrangements would be important enough for their patron demigod to convene a vote, and most of their non-divine votes probably have something to do with dwarven laws or other things that matter under the earth.
    A discussion about who deserved an apple once sparked a war. Flower arrangements that come to a vote could most definitely affect the clans. Say, if it'd mean re-decorating temples all round the dwarven lands to match. Those 30 coppers per temple aren't going to mine themselves

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    Returning hammer collapses ceiling looks likely, but another possibility is Sigdi takes out a mirror and shines that sunlight on everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostik View Post
    Tsk, the exarch has so little appreciation for the dramatic.
    He's lucky Durkon appreciates it too- Durkon concievably could have shoved the Exarch (without attacking him), thus removing him from the area he gets protection in. Then Durkon and Sigidi could wail away at him. That said, that would take several rounds, and what's needed here is a 1-3 round solution.

    So Exarch burns as the ceiling crumbles, and Durkon is stoned forever unless the meeting is formally adjourned.
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    A. Nice to see SOME of The Council are functional. Lawful Good represent. I’m Neutral Good, but I have immense respect for the Lawful Good. Anyone who can balance TWO codes of ethics like that is impressive.

    B. Two possibilities here: either the felling collapses on Gontor, or Sidgi tears that vampire limb-from-limb, possibly going down herself in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Was I one of said people? If so, I'll be happy to provide this apple thing of yours, but I warn you: I'm not sure it'd be edible, given I have no recipe or understanding of what I'd be making, and every recipe I am googling seems to be written in some kind of undecipherable script. Or German. But I repeat myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    If only there were more than one spell caster in the vicinity not turned to stone!
    But V can't reach the room. Orange barrier, keeping the elf out.

    Okay, if you got enough helper, you might be able to carry him out (and maybe the orange barrier will dispel the effect) but this is not a simple and fast solution.

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    I have it on very good authority that within 20 years, everyone will be speaking German. Or a German-Chinese hybrid.
    That seems to be working on the same kind of sliding time frame that will give us fusion power and self-driving vehicles.

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    We can safely assume that Durkon knew the dwarven law well and thus expected to get petrified. The returning hammer is an expected but, imo, too obvious twist, i doubt it will be enough to collapse the whole ceiling.

    I am most curious about Sigdi's role. I wonder if she could,in some way, get a vote in the council. A stalemate in a vote to solve a stalemate in another vote could be hilarious.
    The chance is slim, given that Sigdi's clan is far from rich and powerful but we don't know the dwarven law. A lesser clan could -for example- get a seat in the absence of a greater clan; and we know that most -not all- clan representatives are in place.

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    Just noting that we already know that Haley and V are airborne, and could easily fire through that hole any spell that V has prepared, which could be any spell that V has.

    However, this could be an interesting opportunity for something more... special effect-y. Durkon just threw an electric hammer up into the sky. If this were a movie, I would expect a huge lightning bolt to hit it right now, possibly vaporizing one or more vampires.
    Second theory: Durkon hits the ceiling and collapses it, but all of the Vamps have already voted. However, the vote becomes invalid since it must take place inside the council chambers, and the council chambers no longer exist, or at least are no longer "inside".
    Otherwise, maybe when/if the ceiling collapses, it won't hit any dwarves, but will destroy the vamps, which will release the domination?

    Clearly Durkon's plan does not just involve killing Gontor, since he isn't in any way necessary to the actual vote anyway...

    Edit: That said, the dwarf saying, "If the vampires are voting one way, that's good enough for me to vote the other way." has a solid point, but is forgetting to filibuster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenstep View Post
    Returning hammer collapses ceiling looks likely, but another possibility is Sigdi takes out a mirror and shines that sunlight on everyone.
    Also a decent possibility. There probably isn't a law against having mirrors in the sun in the council chamber, if only because no one would ever expect that to be a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogan View Post
    But V can't reach the room. Orange barrier, keeping the elf out.
    The barrier only seems to cover the entrance, not the new skylight.
    V could just fly in.
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    A couple of things to note...

    I love the really muted morning sun. Is that due to them being so far north, or is this maybe some sort of Misty Mountain situation?

    I also really like the idea that the elders hear the question and discuss it instead of just going yea or nay.
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    Anticipation is killing me, but each new strip only makes it worse.

    Damn, this is good storytelling! I will be sad when this arc comes to an end.

    Plus, skylighters and stoners got it right. This leaves the 'Sigdi has to fix it' crowd looking good too.

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    Incredible how the ability to reverse death makes loads of people more comfortable with collateral murder.
    Well, it's not exactly ideal, but one of the biggest problems with murder is that in our world, it can't be reverted. It's. It's still not that great, but it's not as bad, I guess.
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    If the Dwarves vote for the destruction of the world despite themselves all going to Hel because of "dying without honor" in order to save the souls of other species, wouldn't that be the honorable thing and cancel out the dishonor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2D8HP View Post
    If the Dwarves vote for the destruction of the world despite themselves all going to Hel because of "dying without honor" in order to save the souls of other species, wouldn't that be the honorable thing and cancel out the dishonor?
    For the voters, maybe. And I'm not even sure of that.
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    That was a Hel of a Knowledge (Astronomy) check on Durkon's part. To know exactly where the sun was in the sky (and how the underground chamber is oriented with respect to the surface world), and do the math on the fly to spear the ex-exarch dead-on with a ray of sunlight.

    Unless, of course, that was all just dramatic coincidence, and the hammer throw was for another purpose altogether...

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    Incredible how the ability to reverse death makes loads of people more comfortable with collateral murder.
    Um, the reason why we consider murder to be so bad is because it isn't reversible.

    So what would actually be interesting is if people's opinions about it didn't change when it became reversible.

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