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    KULT really you sure you were not playing a good game? No i seriously am asking because having looked at KULT, having played KULT, and more it kind of falls into the same category as 2nd Edition D&D and other things around that time.

    Could've been a bad experience for you, or just a mismatch with the players, GM, or just with the way it was run? Or just not your thing (which is totally ok too).

    I personally find KULT to be excellent in its themes, lore, and fluff, and after having read the new corebook I've been thinking of how to apply its scenario to other settings (Legend of the Five Rings/KULT crossover is a hilarious thought-project these days).

    What was it about it that you did not enjoy when you played it? Was it the set up? The mechanics (I know that the new edition runs with Powered By The Apocalypse now)? The "truth" that you can wake up to in the game? Or the personal horror?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhedyn View Post
    The Black Hack 2e's iconic wizard is a bare chested woman.
    Bah, I've seen kids films with bare breasts! (No, seriously, thanks France.) To be fair it was in a nonsexualised context, specifically a woman in a bath, but still.

    Honestly, we're also found a problem here, different countries rate things differently and have a different view on what is mature. I wouldn't expect something with violence and bare breasts to be an 18, probably a 15, maybe as low as PG if you restrict yourself to no gore, plus the chest isn't sexualised and makes sense in context.

    That isn't to say that having a bare chested lady can't mean your game is mature, but it doesn't automatically make it so.
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    That isn't to say that having a bare chested lady can't mean your game is mature, but it doesn't automatically make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    I'd love to get more into this, but I'm in the middle of my brand new copy of In Nomine (which promises to be a lot more mature once they've worked out what they're going for).
    I was thinking In Nomine. You definitely could play it while avoiding things like excessive gore or sexual references, but one of the major demon princes in it is the Prince of Lust, so there's plenty of ways to incorporate that, either in an immature silly way or a sincere and dark/scary mature way. As well as moral discussions about what is right or wrong, if you want to approach maturity from that angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhedyn View Post
    It does here is FREEDOM LAND!
    You may take our lives, but you'll never take our breasts!

    Okay, considering it's 5 let's buy the pdf and see the context for myself... eh. Not something worth making a fuss over. Would easily let a 14 year old use that book. Would have been nice if the Fighter or Cleric was also bare chested, but I can live without that.

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    I was thinking In Nomine. You definitely could play it while avoiding things like excessive gore or sexual references, but one of the major demon princes in it is the Prince of Lust, so there's plenty of ways to incorporate that, either in an immature silly way or a sincere and dark/scary mature way. As well as moral discussions about what is right or wrong, if you want to approach maturity from that angle.
    The thing with In Nomine is that it's a very maturely written game (albeit about a subject that won't appeal to anybody), and doesn't go out of it's way to revel in 'mature stuff', but suffers from an identity crisis early on. It's quite simply amazing when it's focused on the 'mid low contrast, selfless versus selfish' angle, but can become too light and humourous (which I understand is closer to the original French).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelphas View Post
    So here I am, trapped in my laboratory, trying to create a Mechabeast that's powerful enough to take down the howling horde outside my door, but also won't join them once it realizes what I've done...twentieth time's the charm, right?
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    You may take our lives, but you'll never take our breasts!

    Okay, considering it's 5 let's buy the pdf and see the context for myself... eh. Not something worth making a fuss over. Would easily let a 14 year old use that book. Would have been nice if the Fighter or Cleric was also bare chested, but I can live without that.
    Big fan of that game, but I'm guessing the bare chest is why it's so hard to get in the US (you have to ship it from Europe). Since it's probably classified as porn.

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    The image in question is one Google image search... and she looks a bit like some versions of Noodle from The Gorillaz. I wonder if there's an artist connection or it's just a stylistic coincidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhedyn View Post
    Big fan of that game, but I'm guessing the bare chest is why it's so hard to get in the US (you have to ship it from Europe). Since it's probably classified as porn.
    Or just no US distributor. It's clearly an EU game, I can tell because armour is spelt correctly. For the EU that is.

    Honestly, I'm sure if necessary the designers would get the artist to slap on a band on cloth for the US release.
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    Little Fears 1st edition may have what you are looking for. Second edition toned down a lot of the more mature themes if I remember correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymouswizard View Post
    Or just no US distributor. It's clearly an EU game, I can tell because armour is spelt correctly. For the EU that is.

    Honestly, I'm sure if necessary the designers would get the artist to slap on a band on cloth for the US release.
    Is this the game in question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max_Killjoy View Post
    Check here and scroll down for the picture in question. But yup I believe that's the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max_Killjoy View Post
    It is the game in question and other poster pointed out the picture in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rredmond View Post
    Check here and scroll down for the picture in question. But yup I believe that's the game.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...second-edition
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhedyn View Post
    It is the game in question and other poster pointed out the picture in question.
    I found the picture earlier... it's not exactly titillating.

    My thought was to link to that for those who said they'd had trouble finding the game in the US.
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    From what I saw of those books... they tried to lean, kinda missed, and did a prat fall.
    They are the first thing that comes to mind when I think of immature content.
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    Could've been a bad experience for you, or just a mismatch with the players, GM, or just with the way it was run? Or just not your thing (which is totally ok too).

    I personally find KULT to be excellent in its themes, lore, and fluff, and after having read the new corebook I've been thinking of how to apply its scenario to other settings (Legend of the Five Rings/KULT crossover is a hilarious thought-project these days).

    What was it about it that you did not enjoy when you played it? Was it the set up? The mechanics (I know that the new edition runs with Powered By The Apocalypse now)? The "truth" that you can wake up to in the game? Or the personal horror?
    Really because it seemed mostly pretentious too me its all form no substance and that was followed with the GM also being pretentious saying how it was true horror system and the only way too do horror.
    I wouldn't call that truth its such a malign and malicious setting.
    And i wouldn't call the horror it provides as personal its far too obtuse and more.

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    I guess a corollary of the idea that many games not focused on mature themes could still be played in a mature way is that many games focused on mature themes could still be played in an immature way.

    I have heard of deadly serious mature versions of Paranoia and lol trench coat and katanas versions of Vampire.

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    I guess a corollary of the idea that many games not focused on mature themes could still be played in a mature way is that many games focused on mature themes could still be played in an immature way.

    I have heard of deadly serious mature versions of Paranoia and lol trench coat and katanas versions of Vampire.
    This is quite true!

    Hence why I have a hard time thinking of WoD as "mature" at all since my experience with it is either edgy teens with trenchcoats and katanas, or my Vampire group which could be better summarized as a string of horrible yet memorable fail-whale moments set to the music of Benny Hill (with intersped moments of "I'm too adult to find this cool, I just want to exist without being involved in this ****, man!").

    In my experience though, it takes a good GM and the mindset of the players to make mature games, and particularly horror games, work well. It takes effort to keep the right tension and mood for such games.
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    There's a game called Glistening Chests that definitely has mature themes, being a parody of 80's barbarian films, or more specifically the artwork inspired by/that inspired them (you know, the "axe-wielding behemoth of a man, power-posed atop a mountain of skulls, the freshly severed head of his latest victim in one hand and a scantily clad woman fawning at his feet" type of artwork). A good laugh for a one-shot, if nothing else. Gotta be a bit thick skinned to get the humour though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JellyPooga View Post
    There's a game called Glistening Chests that definitely has mature themes, being a parody of 80's barbarian films, or more specifically the artwork inspired by/that inspired them (you know, the "axe-wielding behemoth of a man, power-posed atop a mountain of skulls, the freshly severed head of his latest victim in one hand and a scantily clad woman fawning at his feet" type of artwork). A good laugh for a one-shot, if nothing else. Gotta be a bit thick skinned to get the humour though.
    Like a lot of these games, it's hard to find much detail on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JellyPooga View Post
    There's a game called Glistening Chests that definitely has mature themes, being a parody of 80's barbarian films, or more specifically the artwork inspired by/that inspired them (you know, the "axe-wielding behemoth of a man, power-posed atop a mountain of skulls, the freshly severed head of his latest victim in one hand and a scantily clad woman fawning at his feet" type of artwork). A good laugh for a one-shot, if nothing else. Gotta be a bit thick skinned to get the humour though.
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    Well I mean the Book of Erotic Fantasy was a d20 3.5 era splat that was expressly about being able to ratchet up the sex from G to whatever level you wanted up to X
    Was is good? meh? Wouldn't recommend it as a stand alone but can add to...which is kinda its point.

    There were some interesting Dragon Magazine additional table for critical hits that would make things more cinematic and gruesome...

    Because really any game can be....

    in WoD I would actually say Hunter, Changling, Geist, and Prometheus would be the best for it. Horror shows by target supernaturals, Questions of the afterlife, Dreams and issues of having lost ones soul and emotional manipulation, and the questions of "what makes us human" in all its glory and horror. All are really rich setups for adult themes. Actually more so than the main standard trio of Vampire-Werewolf-Mage which can work but the whole Morality system has to be dealt with. Which again can work well (may even be the point of that game) but needs a skilled Storyteller.

    as for FATAL....as source of laughs and brainstorming fuel it has some value but as a game...don't bother trying

    a system like FATE is also easier to run PG17 because of the flexibility of the rules.

    CoC .... can handle it quite well with a good GM...basically extend the early parts of the classic story and make it more about people than the horrors in the shadows

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktarq View Post
    Well I mean the Book of Erotic Fantasy was a d20 3.5 era splat that was expressly about being able to ratchet up the sex from G to whatever level you wanted up to X
    Was is good? meh? Wouldn't recommend it as a stand alone but can add to...which is kinda its point.
    It was massively overpriced and markedly inferior to the 100% free "Netbook of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"/"Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"/"NboUCK" which is still available for download in both 2e and 3e/3.5e versions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohandas View Post
    It was massively overpriced and markedly inferior to the 100% free "Netbook of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"/"Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"/"NboUCK" which is still available for download in both 2e and 3e/3.5e versions
    Ah but the Book of Erotic Fantasy had the Metaphysical Spellshaper class which combines really well with a Binder dip and then you too can be a buffmancer of doom and ruin your friends campaign too (*flash backs of playing with such a monstrosity)

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