Fun Learning 4e

[Great Dragon]

No, because each defense is modified by the HIGHER or two stats
AC: Dex/Int (or none when using heavy armor)
Fortitude: Str/Con
Reflex: Dex/Int (regardless of armor)
Will: Wis/Cha

Thanks!

Spoiler: Cleric List of Options

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Class Feature Prayers
Channel Divinity: Divine Fortune Cleric Feature
Channel Divinity: Turn Undead Cleric Feature
Healing Word Cleric Feature

Level 1 At-Will Prayers
Lance of Faith Cleric Attack 1
Priest’s Shield Cleric Attack 1
Righteous Brand Cleric Attack 1
Sacred Flame Cleric Attack 1

Level 1 Encounter Prayers
Cause Fear Cleric Attack 1
Divine Glow Cleric Attack 1
Healing Strike Cleric Attack 1
Wrathful Thunder Cleric Attack 1

Level 1 Daily Prayers
Avenging Flame Cleric Attack 1
Beacon of Hope Cleric Attack 1
Cascade of Light Cleric Attack 1
Guardian of Faith Cleric Attack 1

Human: +2 to one Ability Score.
One Bonus At-Will Power from Class:
Edit = One Bonus Skill from Class. Arcana
+1 to Fortitude, Reflex and Will defenses.
Characteristic: Tolerant.

Class Features: Channel Divinity, Healer’s Lore, healing word, Ritual Casting.

Cleric Skills: Religion; Insight, Persuasion, Heal

Str 11 16 Con 10 Dex 11 08 Int 12 Wis 16 +2 Race = 18 Cha 12

Hit Points

Start = 22
End of Heroic Tier = 72 (22 +45 +5 feat)
End of Paragon Tier = 127 (72 +50 +5 feat)
Epic Tier (30th) = 182 (127 +50 +5 feat)

Healing Surges 7 +0 Con (5 HP each)
11th = 9 + 0 Con (18 HP each)
21st = 9 +1 Con (31 HP each)
30th = 9 +2 Con (46 HP each)

04 +1 Wis +1 Cha
08 +1 Wis (20) +1 Cha (14)
11 +1 all
14 +1 Str +1 Cha
18 +1 Str +1 (19) Cha (17)
21 +1 all (Dex 10) (Wis 22)?
24 +1 Con +1 Cha
28 +1 Con +1 (14) Cha (20)

NomGarret Feats: You mentioned 5 feats for Hero Tier.
{H} Human Perseverance
01 Armor of Bahamut
02 Weapon Proficiency: Fullblade (Excession)
Bastard Sword (tiornys)
{IDK the two handed sword seems more like a (Str) Striker thing)

04 Durable
06 Alertness
08 Action Surge
10 Toughness (+5 HP/tier)

Spoiler: Alternate Feats - WIP

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04 Novice Power = (Attack)
06 Alertness
08 Acolyte Power = (Utility)
10 Adept Power = (Attack)

Spoiler: Armor Class

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01st level AC: 16 (Chainmail)
10th level AC: 18
20th level AC 20
30th level AC 22

Spoiler: Implement Attack

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(Wis + Holy Symbol)
01st Wis 4 + HS 0 = 04
10th Wis 5 + HS 2 = 07
21st Wis 6 + HS 4 = 10
30th Wis 6 + HS 6 = 12

Spoiler: Weapon Attack

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(half level)
01st (00) + Str 3 + 0 = 04
10th (05) + Str 5 + 2 = 12
21st (10) + Str 5 + 4 = 19
30th (15) + Str 5 + 6 = 26

First Level
Fortitude 10 + 0 (half Level) + 2 Con +1 Race = 13
Reflex 10 + 0 (half Level) + 0 Dex +1 Race = 11
Will 10 + 0 (half Level) +2 Class + 4 Wis +1 Race = 17

Tenth Level
Fortitude 10 + 5 (half Level) + 2 Con +1 Race +2 Amulet = 20
Reflex 10 + 5 (half Level) + 0 Dex +1 Race +2 Amulet = 18
Will 10 + 5 (half Level) +2 Class + 4 Wis +1 Race +2 Amulet = 24

First Level Equipment:
Chainmail +6 AC. 40# 40 gp. -1 check. -1 speed.

Dagger +3 Prof 1d4 Pierce. Range:

Mace +2 Prof. 5 gp. 6#. 1d8 Blunt.
Versatile +1 Dmg when used two handed.

Bastard Sword Prof 1d10 Slash

Fullblade Prof 1d12 Slash

Light Crossbow +2 Prof. 25 gp. 4#. 1d8 P.

Holy symbol 10 gp. 1#.

Standard Adventurer's Kit. 30#. 15 go.
Backpack, Bedroll, Flint and Steel, Belt Pouch, 10 days Trail Rations, 50' Hemp Rope, 2 Sunrods, Waterskin.

Ok. Currently carrying 81#.
5 gold left.

Spoiler: Heroic Powers

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First Level

At Will: Priest’s Shield; Sacred Flame; and Lance of Faith

Encounter: Healing Strike

Daily: Guardian of Faith Beacon of Hope

Utility: Divine Fortune and Turn Undead

Rituals: Gentle Repose and Identify

2nd level

Utility: [slCure Light Wounds[/s] Shield of Faith

3rd Level

Encounter: Daunting Light

5th level

Daily: Spiritual Weapon

6th level

Utility: Cure serious Wounds Bastion of Health

7th level

Encounter: Break the Spirit Searing Light

9th level

Daily: Divine Power Flame Strike

10th level

Utility: Mass Cure Light Wounds

Spoiler: Heroic Equipment

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Second

+1 Holy Symbol; +1 Viscous Mace (Critical = +1d12 damage per plus)

Third

+1 amulet of Protection; Gloves of Piercing;

Fourth

Wavestrider Boots;

Fifth

+1 Angelsteel (Chainmail) Armor; Everlasting Provisions;

Sixth

+2 Holy Symbol

Seventh

+2 Amulet of Protection; +2 Viscous Mace (Critical = +2d12 damage)

Eighth

Belt of Sacrifice;

Ninth

+2 Angelsteel (Chainmail) Armor;

Tenth

Handy Haversack;

Got some help from my friend.
@Excession: But, still need help figuring out what Paragon Powers replace which Heroic Powers.

Paragon Saves

Fortitude 10 + 10 (half Level) + 2 Con +1 Race = 23
Reflex 10 + 10 (half Level) + 0 Dex +1 Race +2 feat = 23
Will 10 + 10 (half Level) +2 Class + 4 Wis +1 Race = 27

Feats
11 Combat Anticipation
12 Danger Sense
14 Lightning Reflexes
16 Mettle
18 Uncanny Dodge
20 Devastating Critical

Spoiler: Paragon Powers

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Eleventh

Solar Wrath (Attack)

Twelveth

Healing Sun (Utility)

Thirteen

Encounter: Inspiring Strike Healing Strike traded for Mantle of Glory

Fifteen

Daily: Seal of Warding

Sixteen

Utility: Divine Armor Hallowed Ground
+2 AC and DR 5 to all allies for the encounter is nice, but +2 to saves, all defenses, and Attacks for the encounter is a little better, to my thinking.

Seventeen

Encounter: Thunderous Word
I’d consider Enthrall if the immobilized effect was applied for all allies, but it looks like the targets are only unable to attack the caster, if said is successful in beating their (Wis vs) Will Defense.

Nineteen

Daily: Holy Wrath

Twentieth

Radiant Brilliance (Attack)

Spoiler: Paragon Equipment

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Eleventh

+3 Holy Symbol; Sending Stones (pair)

Twelve

+3 Amulet of Protection;

Thirteen

+3 Periapt of Wisdom; +3 Viscous Mace (Critical = +3d12 damage)

Fourteen


Fifteen

+3 Angelsteel (Chainmail) Armor

Sixteen

+4 Amulet of Protection;

Seventeen

+4 Holy Symbol; +4 Viscous Mace (Critical = +4d12 damage)

Eighteen

Ring of Protection

Nineteen

Helm of Command;

Twenty

+4 Angelsteel (Chainmail) Armor

Epic Saves

Fortitude 15 + 10 (half Level) + 2 Con +1 Race +6 Amulet = 34
Reflex 10 + 15 (half Level) + 0 Int +1 Race +2 Feat +6 Amulet = 34
Will 10 + 15 (half Level) +2 Class + 4 Wis +1 Race +6 Amulet = 38

Feats
21 Epic Resurgence
22 Blind-Fight
24 Triumphant Attack
26 Weapon Focus (?) +3 to damage
28 Defensive Mobility +2 AC vs AoO
30 Font of Radiance

Even further down the list, what Paragon powers are traded for Epic powers

Spoiler: Epic Powers

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Twenty-two

Utility: Purify

Twenty-three

Encounter: Astral Blades of Death

24th level +1 to two Abilities
Str 17 Con 20 Dex 12 Int 14 Wis 20 Cha 13

Twenty-five

Daily: Seal of Protection

Twenty-seven

Encounter: Sunburst

28th level +1 to two Abilities
Str 18 Con 20 Dex 12 Int 14 Wis 20 Cha 14

Twenty-nine

Daily: Astral Storm

Spoiler: Epic Equipment

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Twenty-one

+5 Holy Symbol;

Twenty-two

+5 Amulet of Protection; +5 Viscous Mace (Critical = +5d12 damage)

Twenty-three

Twenty-four

Ring of Regeneration; +5 Angelsteel (Chainmail) Armor

Twenty-five

+6 Amulet of Protection;

Twenty-six

+6 Holy Symbol;

Twenty-seven

+6 Viscous Mace (Critical = +6d12 damage)

Twenty-eight

Twenty-nine

+6 Angelsteel (Chainmail) Armor

Thirty

+6 Scarab of Invulnerability

Ok. Suggestions for Feats, Powers and Equipment from other books welcomed.

Still working on Equipment

Looking forward to responses.

[Excession]

You don't have enough Con to qualify for the scale or plate proficiency feats, they need 13 and 15 respectively. You could take proficiency with light and then heavy shields instead, as those feats only require 13 and 15 strength. Getting just +1 AC for one feat isn't great value though. If you're not using a shield, consider using a two-handed weapon rather than a bastard sword. The fullblade (+3, 1d12, high crit) from Adventurer's Vault is the best of them.

Personally I also don't much like critical boosting feats on cleric. Clerics don't get much in the way of multi-attack powers, which leads to not getting that many critical hits either. Look instead for feats that reliably boost accuracy or damage, improve your class features, or give you new options. Multiclass are some of the more interesting ones. Note that you can only multi-class into one other class, but you could take multiple multi-class feats with the same class.

Here's the character sheet from a Wizard I played a while back, if you want to see what a fully built paragon character look like. This game was relatively low on magic items, so we were using the inherent bonus system from DMG2.

[masteraleph]

I should note, if you're looking at other sources- Dragon #400 has a feature called "Battle Cleric's Lore" that can replace "Healer's Lore." One of the parts of that feature is that you get Scale proficiency and a +2 Shield bonus to AC- it basically solves all Cleric AC issues, full stop.

[Great Dragon]

I should note, if you're looking at other sources- Dragon #400 has a feature called "Battle Cleric's Lore" that can replace "Healer's Lore." One of the parts of that feature is that you get Scale proficiency and a +2 Shield bonus to AC- it basically solves all Cleric AC issues, full stop.

Which would be great for the Battle Cleric build.
Thanks!!

Edit: Got the Box of Books!
For the Cleric, I'm staying with the PHB 1.

I think I got everything?
(Except the Muticlassing Feats, which I'll work on when I have time.)

[tiornys]

Given PHB only, your paragon and epic power choices look good to me. The only one I'd seriously quibble with is L25, where I think both Seal of Binding and Sacred Word are much better than Seal of Protection. Part of that might be my valuing the Stunned condition higher than you do--but Stunned is really, really good.

For which encounter/daily attack powers you trade, you always drop the lowest level slot in the category and gain a slot at your current level. I like to think about it is as follows:
(L11: your paragon path gives you an encounter power. This power is outside the trading of powers from your class)
L13: you have 3 encounter powers from your class (plus one from your paragon path), and those powers are E13, E7, and E3*.
L15: you have 3 daily powers from your class at levels D15, D9, and D5.
L17: your 3 encounter powers are now E17, E13, and E7.
L19: your 3 daily powers are now D19, D15, and D9.
(L20: your paragon path gives you a daily power. This power is also outside the trading of powers)
L23: your 3 encounter powers are now E23, E17, and E13.
L25: your 3 daily powers are now D25, D19, and D15.
L27: your 3 encounter powers are now E27, E23, and E17.
L29: your 3 daily powers are now D29, D25, and D19.
*: note that you can always stick a lower level power into a slot. If you want to have a D29, D15, and D1 at level 29, you can.

And for completeness, I'll mention that you keep all Utility powers, so eventually you have U2, U6, (U12--paragon path), U16, U22, (U26--epic destiny)

[Great Dragon]

Given PHB only, your paragon and epic power choices look good to me. The only one I'd seriously quibble with is L25, where I think both Seal of Binding and Sacred Word are much better than Seal of Protection. Part of that might be my valuing the Stunned condition higher than you do--but Stunned is really, really good.

I was not impressed by Seal of Binding, since it only affects a single target and seems to not allow any other of the Cleric's Allies attack the affected creature (am I reading that wrong?)

Sacred Word's psychic damage and stun is ok, but only affects one target.

Seal of Protection does Radiant damage to target, and grants +2 AC to all Allies, and stops the movement of Foes that enter the Zone.

Seal seemed to be the most "Help Party" option for this Cleric.

I'll also go over the Power List you provided, maybe Friday and more on Sunday.

Thanks again for your help !

[Yakk]

Seal of Binding in a Solo + Other fight lets you shut down the solo, especially with regeneration effects.

The party then cleans up everything else.

The downside is creatures that shrug off stun (which later solos do).

[tiornys]

More generally, Seal of Binding splits a hard fight into a manageable fight plus an easy fight. Ideally you target an elite, leader, and/or controller type with it on round 1 and keep them stunned until several/all of the other enemies are dead.

I remember Sacred Word hitting all enemies in a burst 2, but I'm away from book and can't cross check right now. If it's single target then I definitely prefer Seal of Binding.

[Great Dragon]

Well, Binding is one target

Word is Burst 5.

Protection is Burst 2.

So, (only) for this PC concept, I'll stick with Seal of Protection - but Word is better for a (Battle) Cleric.

I need to read what Stunned does in 4e.

[Dimers]

I need to read what Stunned does in 4e.

If your PHB has arrived, you'll find the status effects on page 277. Stunned prevents all actions, even free actions. It also keeps the target from flanking, imposes CA (combat advantage, not Complete Arcane ), and with a later rule update it causes non-hovering flying creatures to fall.

[Great Dragon]

I'm still here, just rather busy.
Thanks for responding, and I hope to keep it it up.

I'm slowly working through the books.
Comparing all three PHBs plus Martials 1 & 2 is challenging.

I'll eventually get around to Arcane and Psionic books.

I'm doing what I can to show how I'm making progress learning.

Spoiler: Second Character

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Halfling
+2 Dex and +2 Cha
Bold +5 to save versus Fear
Nimble Reaction: +2 AC versus Attacks of Opportunity.
Second Chance: (Encounter) Interrupt

Str 12 Dex 16+2 = 18 Con 10 Int 12 Wis 12 Cha 16 +2 = 18

Rogue
Armor: Cloth, Leather.
Weapons: Dagger, Hand Crossbow, Sling, Shortsword
+2 to Reflex Defense.
HP 12 + 10 = 22
Surges 6 (5 hp each)
Deity: Avandra (Luck)

Build: Trickster
1st strike, Rogue Tactics, Rogue Weapon Talent, Sneak Attack.

Skills: Stealth, Thievery; Dungeoneering, Perception, Insight and Bluff.

Spoiler: Heroic Tier

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Feats

01 Backstabber (d8 SA)
02 Halfling Agility
04 Alertness
06 Improved Initiative
08 Lost in the Crowd
10 Defensive Mobility

4th +1 Dex +Cha
8th +1 Dex +Cha

Powers

First
At Will: Deft Strike; Sly Flourish
Encounter: Positioning Strike
Daily: Trick Strike

Second (Utility) Master of Deceit
Third (Encounter) Setup Strike
Fifth (Daily) Clever Riposte
Sixth (Utility) Chameleon
Seventh (Encounter) Rogue Luck
{Sand in the Eyes?}
Ninth (Daily) Knockout
Tenth (Utility) Shadow Strike

Equipment
01 Starting
02 +1 Rapier
03 Delver's Leather +1
04 Bracers of Shot (+2 damage)
05 Acrobat Boots
06
07 Amulet of Protection +1
08 Delver's Leather +2
09 +2 Dragonslayer
10 Ironskin Belt

Hit Points tenth level 67

Fortitude 10 +5 (half level) + 0 Con +1 Amulet = 16

Reflex 10 + 5 + 5 Dex +2 Class +1 Amulet = 23

Will 10 + 5 + 5 +1 Wis +1 Amulet = 22

I think I got everything.
I'll need to check the other Books for possible Item replacement.

I'll work on Paragon Tier next