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    Originally I had intended to have a bunch of size descriptors and allow modification of Shapes, so a Short Cube would become a Wall, etc.

    When I rolled those into Great and Small I realized the listed math creates some edge cases, like cones. Doubling one aspect of the cone doubles the other, but using Great or Small as written, you could create some very narrow or wide cones. I added some notes to some of the shapes but wanted a fair bit of depth that rode the margins of what spells could do.

    Side note: the Spell Noun doesnít allow you to change the Shape of existing spell effects, I toyed with the idea but figured making them bigger or smaller in some ways was good enough. Smallifying the BBEGs Prismatic Wall so the Fighter can get around it or the the BBEG doesnít fit inside it was good enough.

    I also added a bit to the Testaments description RE: readying a Testament and made it clear completing a Testament reveals your presence of hidden (unless youíre a Codex and delaying an activation).
    Since there are no Reaction Testaments using Short Hand and Readying one are my intended fix.

    Also, the last line under the Shapes heading says youíre limited to one per Testament.

    Iím still kind of wowed by what this can do narratively. Writing that your Fighter -Strikes with a Cone of Fire- at level 5 can have him be breathing fire or making a sweeping attack with a flaming sword that deals 6d8 Fire, save for half. Thatís a DC 20, you should have about a +9-+10 mod. So you can reliably do that twice a day.

    But you can also give him Lasting Sharpness on his Blade which just adds 2 dice to his weapon damage for a minute. Thatís real big. Thatís broken, that needs to be changed to first time it hits on a turn. Glad I rambled into that.

    Edit: Turns out Hard and Soft had already had the intended fix baked in, just added the text to Sharp and Dull.
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    Ok guys, so im submitting this class (Though i changed some of the casting to remove ALL spell slots)

    Here is my ORIGINAL class (With the spell slots)

    I'd really appreciate input. I just finished the features. Im working on the spell lists (both specific to subclass, and overall).

    In the last 2 days i finished the subclasses so i'd love some eyes on it and thoughts regarding any abusable abilities or overpowered abilities.


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    Blood Mage

    Class Features:

    As a Blood Mage, you gain the following class features.

    Hit Points
    Hit Dice: 1d12 per Blood Mage level
    Hit points at 1st level: 12 + Your Constitution Modifier
    Hit Points at Higher levels: 1d12 (or 5) + your Constitution modifier per Blood Mage level after 1st

    Proficiencies
    Armor: None
    Weapons: Simple Bladed weapons (Dagger, Handaxe, Sickle, Darts, Light Crossbow)
    Tools: None
    Saving Throws: Constitution, Charisma
    Skills: Choose 2 from Arcana, Perception, History, Sleight of Hand, Stealth, Insight, Investigation, Medicine

    Equipment
    You start with the following equipment, in addition to the equipment granted by your background:
    ē (a) a light crossbow and 20 bolts or (b) any simple weapon
    ē (a) a scholarís pack or (b) an explorerís pack
    ē a dagger with ceremonial markings related to your background

    Bloodcasting:
    Your study of arcane magic fueled by the inert power of lifeblood is frowned upon in society by those who are aware of itís practice. You are able to utilize your blood (or at times the blood of others) to power your spellcasting. You have no spell slots outside of ones gained via Bloodcasting, and any spell slots you currently have are lost. You may not gain spell slots through multiclassing. In order to cast a spell, you must have a bladed weapon in 1 hand, and nothing in the other hand to facilitate an open wound when needed. The cost in blood of a spell is equal to the spell slot level being used to cast it x4. For example, if one wished to cast a spell with a 1st level spell slot, it would cost them 4 Health, a 4th level spell would cost 16 health, and so on. Your spells do not require components beyond your own blood. A Blood Mage may not cast a spell that brings their health below 1. Health may not be spent to cast spells with spell slots of 7th level or higher. You gain ONE level 7 spell slot at level 13, ONE level 8 spell slot at level 15, and ONE level 9 spell slot at level 17. These spell slots are replenished on a long rest.

    Cantrips
    You know the Leach cantrip plus 2 cantrips of your choice from the Blood Mage spell list. You learn additional Blood Mage cantrips of your choice at higher levels, as shown in the Cantrips Known column of the Blood Mage table.

    Spells Known of 1st Level and Higher
    At 1st level, you know two 1st-level spells of your choice from the Blood Mage spell list.
    The spells known column of the Blood Mage table shows when you learn more Blood Mage spells of your choice of 1st level and higher. A spell you chose must be of a level no higher than whatís shown in the tables Spell Level column for your level. When you reach 6th level, for example, you learn a new Blood Mage spell which can be of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd level.
    Additionally, when you gain a level in this class, you can choose one of the Blood Mage spells you know and replace it with another spell from the Blood Mage spell list which also must be of a level lesser than or equal to the Spell Level shown in the Spell Level column for your level on the Blood Mage table.

    Spellcasting Ability
    Constitution is your spellcasting ability for your Blood Mage spells, so you use your Constitution whenever a spell refers to your spellcasting ability. In addition, you use your Constitution modifier when setting the saving throw DC for a Blood Mage spell you cast and when making an attack roll with one.
    Spell save DC = 8 + Your Proficiency Bonus + Your Constitution Modifier
    Spell Attack Modifier = Your Proficiency Bonus + Your Constitution Modifier

    Drain Life:
    Level 1
    Through practice manipulating the essence contained in blood, you have learned to draw it from others when itís exposed. During combat, as a bonus action, you may choose a damaged enemy to target with this ability. Roll 1d4, and deal that much necrotic damage to the target. You gain life equal to the damage dealt to the enemy as you funnel their lifeforce to you. You may use this ability a number of times equal to your constitution modifier, and your uses are replenished on a Long Rest. The damage dice increases to 2d4 at level 5, 3d4 at level 11, and 4d4 at level 17.

    Corrupted Blood:
    Level 1
    Due to prolonged arcane practice on/with your blood, and manipulation of your lifeforce, your natural healing has been altered to accelerate at will, but this has come with a price. As a bonus action in combat, you may spend 1 Hit Die (1d12) to regain health equal to the number rolled without the addition of your constitution modifier. Additionally, your lifeforce is not responsive to magical healing from others. Magical healing from other creatures has no effect on you. You may use Health Potions as normal, but otherwise you may not be healed outside of your own hit die and your own spells/abilities. This immunity to magical healing includes other class abilities such as Song of Rest. Being immune to the effects of magical healing from others does not preclude them from casting the spell on you if there were a secondary benefit to the magical healing. The lone exception to this occurs when a Blood Mage drops to 0 hit points, at which point their magic affecting their Blood fades and the Blood Mage becomes eligible for magical healing until stabilized or healed. Being immune to the effects of magical healing from others does not preclude them from casting the spell on you if there were a secondary benefit to the magical healing.

    Paths of Manipulation:
    When you reach 2nd level, you chose a path of manipulation, utilizing the arcane power of lifeblood through one of 3 different means; Path of Harm, Path of Sacrifice, Path of Enhancement, all detailed at the end of the class description.
    Your choice grants you features at 2nd level, and again at 6th, 10th, and 14th level.


    Ability Score Improvement
    When you reach 4th level, and again at 8th, 12th, 16th, and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or you can increase two ability scores of your choice by 1. As normal, you cant increase an ability score above 20 using this feature.

    Hematologic Regeneration:
    Your bone marrow has magically adjusted to your ever-increasing need for blood. You regain all your Hit Die on a Long rest. In addition, when you use your Corrupted Blood feature to expend Hit Die in combat, you may add your Constitution Modifier to the roll. Finally, if you begin combat without any Hit Die, you regain 1 Hit Die at the start of Combat.

    Master Bloodcaster:
    You have mastered your blood-driven form of spellcasting such that you may use otherís untapped lifeforce to fuel your spells. You may draw health from a willing creature within 30 ft of you to cast a spell with Bloodcasting during combat. This health cost may not be reduced by any spells or abilities, and is drawn directly from the creatures health (not from any kind of Ward or protective spell/ability, though it may be drawn from Temporary hitpoints). This creature must be willing and not coerced to do so via a magical effect, such as Dominate Person or Geas, and this ability cannot reduce a creatures health below 1. You may choose to draw a ratio of the spell's cost in health from the creature, and pay the difference in your own blood. The Blood Mage decides how much health to draw from the creature, and how much to draw from himself, but may only target 1 other creature at a time (May not Draw from 2 separate targets simultaneously). Any creature whom you draw blood from in this manner is touched by your Blood Magic, and becomes immune to magical healing until the start of it's next turn.

    Paths of Manipulation
    The study and practice of manipulating the lifeforce in ones blood is an ancient, powerful, and dangerous practice. It remains frowned upon, and often times is hidden by those who wield itís furious powers for their benefit.
    There are 3 typical uses one may direct their Bloodís lifeforce towards, though all 3 are known by the few who are aware of the practice as particularly dangerous.
    The Path of Harm focuses the strength drawn from Blood to enhance oneís spellcasting prowess. The Path of Sacrifice is a path some desperate individuals take when seeking to utilize their own lifeforce to empower their allies. Finally, the Path of Enhancement is reserved for individuals who seek to use their Blood Magic to empower their own body and weapons, enhancing their armor or sword with Blood energy.




    Path of Harm
    The Path of Harm focuses the strength drawn from Blood to enhance oneís spellcasting prowess. Being hit by a fireball, for example, is particularly dangerous from these Blood Mages. Those who continue down this path realize that, often times, ending an enemy quickly is the best way of preserving ones self rather than wasting time mending ones wounds while your foe continues their offensive assault. These Bloodcasters seek to end combat quickly at the expense of their own life force.

    Reopening Wound
    Beginning when you select this Path at level 2, your ability with your Bloodcasting increases. Choose a spot on your exposed skin (your hand, your neck, your face, your arm, etc.) and describe a type of fresh cut, wound, etc. You have learned to magically maintain this open wound such that it begins to slightly, unnoticeably bleed when you decide to utilize your Bloodcasting feature. You no longer require a bladed weapon, or an open hand, to cast spells, thus freeing your hands to utilize weapons, staffs, wands, etc. You share attunement restrictions with Sorcerers, and may attune to any item that a Sorcerer can with the text of the item simply replacing "Sorcerer" with "Blood Mage".
    You additionally gain proficiency in 1 of (Your choice) Arcana, Investigation, Religion or History.

    Improved Leaching

    Starting at 2nd level, youíve become more adept with your ability to draw health from enemies, briefly leaching hitpoints. You may add your spellcasting modifier to your Leach Cantripís damage.

    Bloodcharged
    Starting at 6th level, when you cast a spell at a spell slot level of 1st or higher, you have the option to ďBloodchargeĒ your spell. Before rolling a spell attack, or before your target(s) make saving throws, sacrifice up to 5 health to Bloodcharge your spell. If the spell deals damage, the initial damage dealt is supplemented by Necrotic damage equal to the amount of health you sacrificed. At 11th level, the maximum health available to sacrifice increases to 10 health, and at level 17 it reaches a maximum of 20 health.

    Healing Response
    Starting at 10th level, your magically charged blood has developed the ability to respond briefly to assault. Whenever an enemy hits you with a melee attack that does damage, you may spend your reaction to gain temporary hitpoints equal to double the damage dealt by this attack. These temporary hitpoints last until the end of your next turn. Once you use this feature, you cannot use it again until you finish a Long rest.

    Last Chance
    By the 14th level, you have tested the limits of your resiliency in utilizing the power of the magic in your blood. As an action, you may make one last ditch effort at finishing an enemy by placing every available ounce of your bloods energy into a spell. Choose any spell from your spell list. You may cast this spell with no immediate cost in blood. If the spell requires a spell attack, roll it with Advantage. If the spell requires a saving throw from the target, they make that save with Disadvantage. If the spell causes damage, double the damage die as though it were a critical strike. You may not Bloodcharge this spell. After casting this spell your health drops to 1, you gain 1 point of exhaustion, you fall prone, and your turn immediately ends. You may not utilize your Corrupted Blood featureís ability to Roll a damage die after using this ability for 1 minute.







    Path of Sacrifice
    The Path of Sacrifice is a path some desperate individuals take when seeking to utilize their own lifeforce to empower their allies. They sacrifice their own blood to heal, or quicken, or strengthen others by great lengths. Those who follow this path typically fell into Blood Magic by necessity, perhaps seeking a way to heal or restore a loved one or aspect of life unsuccessfully, eventually turning to powerful Blood Magic after exhausting all other options, eventually falling to the corruption of the art of Blood Magic.

    Battle Support
    Starting at 2nd level when you choose this Path, you acquire the training necessary to defend yourself from attacks in combat. You gain proficiency in Light Armor and Shields, though you still require a dagger in 1 hand and another open hand in order to utilize Bloodcasting.
    You additionally gain proficiency in 1 of (Your choice) Perception, Insight, Survival, or Medicine.

    Blood Aura
    Starting at 2nd level when you choose this path, youíve discovered the ability to use your Blood Magic to emanate an Aura of lifeforce driven magic at the price of your own vitality. Your Blood Aura may be activated at any time as an Action at the cost of lowering your Maximum Health by 1/3 (Rounded down) while the aura is active. When your Blood Aura is dropped, dispelled, or otherwise discontinued, your Maximum Health returns to its normal amount but your current health remains as is. This aura requires your concentration, and continues for as long as you choose to concentrate on it, however, you need not make concentration checks when hit with a melee attack or spell. Additionally, you may change your Blood Aura as an Action at any time. You may activate/change your Blood Aura a number of times equal to your Constitution Modifier per day.

    Blood Aid
    When you choose this aura, Each ally within 30 ft has experiences an increase in maximum and current hitpoints by 5 for the duration of the Aura. Any time a friendly creature is within 30 ft of you during combat, they gain +1 AC and +1 to Saving Throws.

    Blood Assault
    When you choose this aura, whenever an ally is within 30 ft of you deals an extra 1d4 Necrotic Damage when they hit with a weapon attack. Additionally, any ally who casts a spell while they are within 30 ft of you gains +1 to their spell attack for that spell.

    Blood Fatigue
    When you choose this aura, whenever an enemy is within 30 ft of your presence you are warded against them. Whenever an enemy targets you with an attack or a harmful spell they must first make a Wisdom saving throw. On a failure, the enemy must choose a new target or lose the attack or spell. This Aura does not protect the Blood Mage against Area effects, such as a fireball, so long as the Blood Mage is not the direct target of the spell or effect. Additionally, Enemies within this 30 ft radius must make a Constitution saving throw at the start of their turn. On a failure, the enemy takes 1d6 psychic damage as their mind fatigues inside the Blood Mageís aura, and no damage on a successful save.

    Blood Bond
    Starting at 6th level, you gain the ability to magically bond with those affected by your Blood Aura. Any time an ally who is currently within range and under the effects of your Blood Aura (Either Blood Aid or Blood Assault) takes damage, you may spend your reaction to transfer any number of temporary hitpoints from you to them prior to the damage being deducted from their hitpoints. For example, if you have 8 Temporary Hitpoints and an ally who is within your Blood Aura is hit with a melee attack for 20 damage, you may transfer those 8 Temporary Hitpoints to said ally by spending your reaction, resulting in them taking only 12 total hitpoints worth of damage. You may not transfer more temporary hitpoints to your ally than damage theyíre receiving.

    Improved Concentration
    Starting at 10th level, youíve become adept at maintaining your Blood Aura. It no longer requires your concentration, and you are able to maintain concentration on another spell while still maintaining your Blood Aura.

    Empowered Blood Aura
    Starting at 14th level, your Blood Aura grows in strength;

    Blood Aid
    When you choose this aura, Each ally within 30 ft has experiences an increase in maximum and current hitpoints by 10 for the duration of the Aura. Any time a friendly creature is within 30 ft of you during combat, they gain +2 AC and +2 to their Saving throws.

    Blood Assault
    When you choose this aura, whenever an ally is within 30 ft of you deals an extra 1d8 Necrotic Damage when they hit with a weapon attack. Additionally, any ally who casts a spell while they are within 30 ft of you gains +2 to their spell attack or +1 to their Spell Save D/C for that spell.

    Blood Fatigue
    When you choose this aura, whenever an enemy is within 30 ft of your presence you are warded against them. Whenever an enemy targets you with an attack or a harmful spell they must first make a Wisdom saving throw. On a failure, the enemy must choose a new target or lose the attack or spell. This Aura does not protect the Blood Mage against Area effects, such as a fireball, so long as the Blood Mage is not the direct target of the spell or effect. Additionally, Enemies within this 30 ft radius must make a Constitution saving throw at the start of their turn. On a failure, the enemy takes 2d6 psychic damage as their mind fatigues inside the Blood Mageís aura, and no damage on a successful save.




    Path of Enhancement
    The Path of Enhancement is reserved for individuals who seek to use their Blood Magic to empower their own body and weapons, enhancing their armor or weapon with Blood energy. Some wear medium armor, slashing with their Battleaxe as they throw fireballs, others utilize lighter armor to hide in the shadows and surprise enemies with their Rapier. Those who travel down the Path of Enhancement trend more towards melee combat, utilizing their weapon in conjunction with magic to both harm foes and draw out their lifeforce.



    Blood Mage Warrior
    Starting at 2nd level when you choose this Path, you acquire the training necessary to effectively arm yourself for battle. You gain proficiency in Light Armor, Medium Armor, and Martial Bladed Weapons without reach (Battleaxe, Greataxe, Greatsword, Longsword, Rapier, Scimitar, Shortsword, War Pick).
    You additionally gain proficiency in 1 of (Your choice) Acrobatics, Athletics, or Stealth.

    Blood Enhanced Speed
    When you choose this path at 2nd level, you learn how to quickly weave in and out of melee combat, using the pain from the open wounds of an enemy to magically distract them. After you use your action or bonus action to make an attack, you gain the benefits from the disengage action if the enemy is not at full health.

    Blood-Tinged Weapon
    Starting at 6th level, you have learned to utilize the arcane power of your blood to enhance your weapon. While in combat, as a bonus action, you may run a 1 handed bladed weapon across your empty hand, enhancing the blade as you bleed on it. For the next 1 minute, You may add your Spellcasting (Constitution) modifier to your damage with this weapon, this additional damage counts as Necrotic damage, and you gain Temporary Hitpoints equal to the necrotic damage dealt in this way. The Temporary Hitpoints granted by this ability last until the end of your next turn.

    Blood-Tinged Armor
    Starting at 10th level, you gain the ability to magically utilize your fresh blood to enhance armor when in combat. Whenever you are in combat and below full health, your light armor is empowered by the lifeforce of your blood and gains +2 AC.

    Battle Magic
    Starting at 14th level, you have mastered the art of spell casting and weapon use into a single act. When you use your action to cast a Blood Mage spell, you can make a weapon attack as a Bonus Action.

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    I'll be back at my house tomorrow and will have time this week to put up feedback on all of the other entries and finally settle in to finish the dead levels and missing sorceries on Cultist.
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    Alright I know I'm like a week behind on these reviews, for which I have no good excuse (my bad excuse is WoW Classic). Still, this should leave everyone with a solid two weeks to make edits, or more if we decide to do an extension.

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    There isn't a lot in here so far. I have some concerns with the core casting mechanic, which I will detail below.

    • First, the penalty of losing health on failure acts as a harsh limitation, until the Runetracer lines up the right buffs (for example, Guidance and Cat's Grace), at which point they have a nearly guaranteed cast of 1st level spells without end. On the flip side, 9th level spells are almost not worth it, unless they have access to healing magic, at which point they can cast as many 9th level spells as the healing would allow.
    • Continuing from the last one, healing effects, if possible on the Runetracer, would entirely break the class. If they can restore any damage they take by simply tracing a new rune, they functionally do not have a daily limit on spells. Since learning healing spells from Feats or multiclassing is actually quite easy, this is something to be wary of.
    • Concentration requiring a check each round is a severe penalty but one which is probably compensated for by the aforementioned lack of daily limitations with the right buffs.





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    I liked the idea of the Truenamer even if it functioned poorly in 3.5. I also liked successor systems like Pathfinder's Sphere's of Magic, so you're already in my area of enjoyment.

    • Each of the subclasses feels unique, especially with their exclusive words of power. I think you did great work there.
    • The core classes features mostly pertain to improving the use of its magic system, as befits a full-caster equivalent class.
    • You don't mention in your crafting testaments section or in the class description what is added to a Calligraphy check. By context, it seems to be Intelligence plus your proficiency in Calligrapher's Tools, but it would be nice to have it explicitly spelled out somewhere.
    • I am a little concerned about the high starting difficulty of testaments. For example, the simplest complex testament which deals damage (Sharp/Dull or Hard/Solf plus an energy) would still have a DC of 15, which would leave a 1st level character with around 55% chance of success. Expertise with the tools kicks in at 2nd level, which does help a lot, but some of the tasks will still be extremely unreliable (image, as a Simple Word, has a DC of 25, when the highest possible bonus that could be attained is +17, which requires level 17 and a +5 attribute bonus). This has the side effect of making the scrimshander extremely attractive due to their ability to decrease the DC by sacrificing health.
    • Related to the previous, making testaments of six words (the highest breakpoint for most Words' improving effects) seems rather unattractive. For example, a Sharp, Hard, Strike with Fire, Acid, and Cold (these words chosen to minimize the DC) would still have a DC of 25, assuming none of those words had been used yet that day.
    • Finally, Shape words should probably be cheaper since their only use is in creating multi-word testaments. Creature especially should have a lower cost, as it allows a single target to affect two for the same cost as creating a 15 food cube (which could reliably affect 3 or 4).



    Each individual word seems to be in about a good place, and the scaling function is nice, allowing even cheaper testaments to remain valuable in higher tiers due to how extra words multiply the dice instead of adding them. I think you've done a great job, but I'd be interested to know what your ideal break points for number of successful uses per day were.


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    Ah, the 3/4ths caster. A logical if as-yet unused extrapolation of our existing casting rates.

    • Alright, I am a big fan of this casting mechanic. Using Hit Dice has been done before, but I think this is cleaner than some examples I've seen before and overall it just works.
    • Based on your math, it seems like the intent is for the class to have a deeper pool of spellcasting which doesn't stretch into the higher levels. This is fine as an identity, but keep in mind that the class can't use its full resources each day (as only half of hit dice are regained each long rest), and their pool for longer adventures will be functionally half what it is. This is not even taking into account their reliance on forms of healing other than short rests due to needing their hit dice for resources. Give the class stuff to do beyond its huge potential pool of spell points and you'll be in a good place.
    • It isn't clear if you are supposed to add your Constitution bonus to hit dice rolled for class features like you would for spending them to heal on a short rest. Do you use it for none, some, or all features?
    • For a class that's not quite a full caster, I would like to see a couple more features in the middle levels (5-15ish). The capstones are all compelling but without 9th level spells their higher levels need some love (their most interesting feature comes at level 13 when they can reattach lost body parts.
    • The archetypes' capstones all have the first sentence of the Bloodshaper.


    Overall, I seriously enjoy the casting mechanic, but the class doesn't have enough to do besides casting (and the odd skill check) to justify it not being a full caster.


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    I actually am working on a variant sorcerer to go along with my sorcerous classes that I called the Arcanist. It's a good word.

    • Spell Dice: Another fascinating spellcasting mechanic. I'd actually like to see this written up as a general replacement for normal casting, and may need to borrow the idea in the future for this system or one of my (too many) homebrew ones.
    • Class Features: Counterclaim's introduction makes it seem like you'll be getting spell dice off from it, but it's effect is probably more balanced. I'd just give it a new intro to suggest you're causing magical feedback instead of reclaiming magical energy. The rest are thematic and appropriately leveled.
    • Heirophant: Improved Arcane Reclamation is extremely good. Especially combined with Harvest the Crop, this class is going to be casting spells way after most casters have resorted to their wands and cantrips. Conversely, Superior Arcane Reclamation I would rarely use, since I already get the next smallest on anything but a 1, and keep the same size on a max value roll. I might use it to reclaim the odd d6 spell die, but probably would not bother for d8 or higher.
    • Duskblade: the passive damage is comparable to a paladin's, and eventually even exceeds it. They can't use active smiting like a paladin, but they also are functionally full casters, not half. I'd dial it down or make it resource based (maybe after spending a spell die, you add it as force damage to attacks until the end of your next turn, making it both stronger and less reliable).
    • Spellthief: Gets a basically better version of counterspell at level 6 and can freely negate cantrips (which monsters rarely use so it's probably fine). I think Educational Theft should be swapped out, as it is just Expanded Knowledge and Improved Spell Theft is a more interesting and specific feature that provides a similar benefit.



    Overall, this is a mechanically interesting and thematically constructed class. Overall excellent work as usual. I'd touch up some of the runaway power in Heirophant and to a lesser extend Spellthief


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    Quote Originally Posted by MoleMage View Post
    Mortifier
    Ah, the 3/4ths caster. A logical if as-yet unused extrapolation of our existing casting rates.

    Alright, I am a big fan of this casting mechanic. Using Hit Dice has been done before, but I think this is cleaner than some examples I've seen before and overall it just works.
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoleMage View Post
    Based on your math, it seems like the intent is for the class to have a deeper pool of spellcasting which doesn't stretch into the higher levels. This is fine as an identity, but keep in mind that the class can't use its full resources each day (as only half of hit dice are regained each long rest), and their pool for longer adventures will be functionally half what it is. This is not even taking into account their reliance on forms of healing other than short rests due to needing their hit dice for resources. Give the class stuff to do beyond its huge potential pool of spell points and you'll be in a good place.
    I did not know this. Our table have always run that you get all of them back at a long rest. It was built around the idea that you got all hit dice back on a long rest. Would it be too powerful to just give an early feature around level 2 or so that restores all mortifier hit dice on a long rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoleMage View Post
    It isn't clear if you are supposed to add your Constitution bonus to hit dice rolled for class features like you would for spending them to heal on a short rest. Do you use it for none, some, or all features?
    I don't think that any of the features add constitution to the rolls, but I might have missed one.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoleMage View Post
    For a class that's not quite a full caster, I would like to see a couple more features in the middle levels (5-15ish). The capstones are all compelling but without 9th level spells their higher levels need some love (their most interesting feature comes at level 13 when they can reattach lost body parts.
    I will look into adding something more in the middle then!

    Quote Originally Posted by MoleMage View Post
    The archetypes' capstones all have the first sentence of the Bloodshaper.

    Overall, I seriously enjoy the casting mechanic, but the class doesn't have enough to do besides casting (and the odd skill check) to justify it not being a full caster.
    I missed the capstone texts. Nice spotted! (odd skill check?) The main reason for the slower progression is that I thought it had a higher spell point potential, which know I know might not be the case.

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    I did not know this. Our table have always run that you get all of them back at a long rest. It was built around the idea that you got all hit dice back on a long rest. Would it be too powerful to just give an early feature around level 2 or so that restores all mortifier hit dice on a long rest?
    Standard rule is half rounded up of your maximum hit dice. I'd say that a feature which restored all mortifier hit dice would not be out of line.

    I don't think that any of the features add constitution to the rolls, but I might have missed one.
    My confusion comes from the wording of "spending a hit die" or "spending X hit dice" as I have preconceived notions of what that entails (since the only normal use for it is short rest healing which always adds constitution). Your wording never mentions adding Con though, so the strict reading aligns with your intent.

    I will look into adding something more in the middle then!

    I missed the capstone texts. Nice spotted! (odd skill check?) The main reason for the slower progression is that I thought it had a higher spell point potential, which know I know might not be the case.
    By odd skill check I just meant that they get bonuses to highly specific skill checks (like Medicine) as their biggest features outside of spellcasting. In combat, they are entirely dependent on spells, for example, and the specific nature of their skill bonuses means they are also limited in their exploration and social pillars (spellcasting notwithstanding). And like I mentioned in other sections, I like the slower spell progression but the class needs more unique abilities to compensate (like Paladins' Lay on Hands or Divine Sense, or Rangers' Vanish and Hide in Plain Sight).


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    It looks like this is a short rest full caster (similar to warlock). That's fine, the spellcasting game needs more participants in the short rest sector.

    • A note that typical 5e formatting is to use the second person for class feature descriptions ("you can do X") instead of previous editions' third person ("the class can do X"). It doesn't affect my voting but someone pointed it out to me once and I try to pass that information along.
    • Your proficiencies say they are based on your subclass. Since the subclass has a name (Blood Oath), you could use that wording in the proficiency block.
    • Blood Casting: three times spell level is sufficiently severe to put the blood mage in line with other full casters. The addition of spells which are natively cheaper based on subclasses is also a good use of concept space. It seems like you don't have limits on spells above 5th level, which should be fixed. I'm also quite concerned about drawing magic from any list.
    • Blood Rituals does not have a description.
    • It seems like each subclass also receives "any one other skill". I'd put this free pick in the base class (Skills: One of your choice, plus additional skills based on your Oath). This is mainly a formatting concern, as my first read of Vow of Poverty suggested that my second skill came from the list of "Religion, History, Nature, and Arcana, and any one other skill", instead of the list ending with Arcana and any one other skill being a separate clause.



    Overall, I think your framework here is decent, but I can't say with any confidence how it will look with the Oaths fully written and any extra features added in.


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    I actually looked up leach because I wasn't aware of the different meanings based on spelling. I learned something today!

    • Can you use temporary hit points for Bloodcasting? My gut says no, since Leach gives a reliable source of those and would let the prudent blood mage cast all day long, but the wording does not mention whether they count as health.
    • Constitution spellcasting is a dangerous game, even for a class with hit points instead of spell slots. With Multiclassing or the Magic Initiate feat and a reasonable Wisdom (+3 or better), you are guaranteed to break even on the spellcasting cost of Cure Wounds or Healing Word. On top of that, you have hit points to compete with the barbarian as you share their impressive d12 hit dice and barbarians typically want to prioritize Strength first.
    • Drain Life: seems like a way to allow the blood mage to keep in rotation a bit longer. I was worried about giving them built-in healing on top of my concern above until I saw Corrupted Blood.
    • Corrupted Blood: This goes a long way to mitigating my concern about the effects of healing on extending your hit points. The blood mage themself could still use the loophole above, but that requires them to prioritize an otherwise unnecessary attribute over the arguably more generally valuable Dexterity. Life Clerics can't pass their 1st level slots on to the blood mage to produce 2nd level effects now. I'm still worried about the potential blood mage who learns to heal, though.
    • Hematologic Regeneration is too much. The fact that you didn't get to add your Constitution with Corrupted Blood was the tradeoff for using it. It created meaningful choice (less health now, or more health later). This removes the meaningful choice. Since it's such a late-in feature I'm okay with the hit dice recovery, but I think that regaining all hit dice each long rest and additional hit dice when you start combat empty is enough for the feature.
    • Path of Harm: Everything here seems okay. Last Chance is a doozy of a list of penalties, but doubling a level 6 Flame Strike is probably worth the penalty, especially if you're low on health anyway (which you probably are because of how this class works).
    • Path of Sacrifice: I would give Blood Aura a flat cost (4 times your level will come out approximately the same for a blood mage with max Constitution), but since you only need to check your health each time your max changes it's probably okay to put a 1/3 calculation in there. Blood Fatigue seems too versatile. I would rarely use Blood Assault unless we were fighting fewer enemies than we had party members or we were fighting things immune to psychic damage.
    • Path of Enhancement: No signature Path spell? I see they get a lot of the paladin smites, which might count, but the unique spells for Harm and Sacrifice were definitely part of the draw. The weapon proficiencies seem specific without a particular reason. Blood-Tinged Weapon could just say Constitution modifier instead of Spellcasting modifier (since there is no way to change the spellcasting modifier for this feature). The rest of this class seems pretty straightforward, sort of an Eldritch Knight in reverse. I like it.
    • In your new spells, you sometimes use the redundant wording "creature you can see of your choice within range". 'Of your choice' is implied by the nature of spells, so you can leave it out and it will make them read nicer. Blood Boil's secondary effect should probably require an action instead of a bonus action (as it is quite a lot of guaranteed damage). Dark Blessing is redundant (either just give Sacrificers Bless as normal, or give Dark Blessing a unique effect with a similar purpose similar to Hex/Hunter's Mark).



    This class is hard to gauge balance-wise because (like my own entry) it diverges so far from the norm in a few key areas. However, as it stands, I think it is perhaps a little too strong. You've plugged most of the leaks, but the fact is that this is still a class that can have respectable armor class and outstanding hit points while still being prepared to cast spells as a primary caster. We had a similar class in a previous contest (Does not Meet Expectations) called the Whitescourge, and the problem the creator ran into in playtesting is that his players were using the class as a straight up tank and rarely using their spells. With the self-healing abilities of your Blood Mage, you might encounter the same issue (the fact that outside healing doesn't work will mitigate this possibility somewhat though.


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    Standard rule is half rounded up of your maximum hit dice. I'd say that a feature which restored all mortifier hit dice would not be out of line.

    My confusion comes from the wording of "spending a hit die" or "spending X hit dice" as I have preconceived notions of what that entails (since the only normal use for it is short rest healing which always adds constitution). Your wording never mentions adding Con though, so the strict reading aligns with your intent.

    By odd skill check I just meant that they get bonuses to highly specific skill checks (like Medicine) as their biggest features outside of spellcasting. In combat, they are entirely dependent on spells, for example, and the specific nature of their skill bonuses means they are also limited in their exploration and social pillars (spellcasting notwithstanding). And like I mentioned in other sections, I like the slower spell progression but the class needs more unique abilities to compensate (like Paladins' Lay on Hands or Divine Sense, or Rangers' Vanish and Hide in Plain Sight).
    Added a unique ability at level 1(touch, con save or short disadvantage on skill checks), and 11(borrow magic from fresh corpses of spellcasters), moved leechblood to level 9 to spread things out a bit, and gave them full recovery of mortifier hit dice at level 2.

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    I actually looked up leach because I wasn't aware of the different meanings based on spelling. I learned something today!

    Can you use temporary hit points for Bloodcasting? My gut says no, since Leach gives a reliable source of those and would let the prudent blood mage cast all day long, but the wording does not mention whether they count as health.
    Constitution spellcasting is a dangerous game, even for a class with hit points instead of spell slots. With Multiclassing or the Magic Initiate feat and a reasonable Wisdom (+3 or better), you are guaranteed to break even on the spellcasting cost of Cure Wounds or Healing Word. On top of that, you have hit points to compete with the barbarian as you share their impressive d12 hit dice and barbarians typically want to prioritize Strength first.
    Drain Life: seems like a way to allow the blood mage to keep in rotation a bit longer. I was worried about giving them built-in healing on top of my concern above until I saw Corrupted Blood.
    Corrupted Blood: This goes a long way to mitigating my concern about the effects of healing on extending your hit points. The blood mage themself could still use the loophole above, but that requires them to prioritize an otherwise unnecessary attribute over the arguably more generally valuable Dexterity. Life Clerics can't pass their 1st level slots on to the blood mage to produce 2nd level effects now. I'm still worried about the potential blood mage who learns to heal, though.
    Hematologic Regeneration is too much. The fact that you didn't get to add your Constitution with Corrupted Blood was the tradeoff for using it. It created meaningful choice (less health now, or more health later). This removes the meaningful choice. Since it's such a late-in feature I'm okay with the hit dice recovery, but I think that regaining all hit dice each long rest and additional hit dice when you start combat empty is enough for the feature.
    Path of Harm: Everything here seems okay. Last Chance is a doozy of a list of penalties, but doubling a level 6 Flame Strike is probably worth the penalty, especially if you're low on health anyway (which you probably are because of how this class works).
    Path of Sacrifice: I would give Blood Aura a flat cost (4 times your level will come out approximately the same for a blood mage with max Constitution), but since you only need to check your health each time your max changes it's probably okay to put a 1/3 calculation in there. Blood Fatigue seems too versatile. I would rarely use Blood Assault unless we were fighting fewer enemies than we had party members or we were fighting things immune to psychic damage.
    Path of Enhancement: No signature Path spell? I see they get a lot of the paladin smites, which might count, but the unique spells for Harm and Sacrifice were definitely part of the draw. The weapon proficiencies seem specific without a particular reason. Blood-Tinged Weapon could just say Constitution modifier instead of Spellcasting modifier (since there is no way to change the spellcasting modifier for this feature). The rest of this class seems pretty straightforward, sort of an Eldritch Knight in reverse. I like it.
    In your new spells, you sometimes use the redundant wording "creature you can see of your choice within range". 'Of your choice' is implied by the nature of spells, so you can leave it out and it will make them read nicer. Blood Boil's secondary effect should probably require an action instead of a bonus action (as it is quite a lot of guaranteed damage). Dark Blessing is redundant (either just give Sacrificers Bless as normal, or give Dark Blessing a unique effect with a similar purpose similar to Hex/Hunter's Mark).



    This class is hard to gauge balance-wise because (like my own entry) it diverges so far from the norm in a few key areas. However, as it stands, I think it is perhaps a little too strong. You've plugged most of the leaks, but the fact is that this is still a class that can have respectable armor class and outstanding hit points while still being prepared to cast spells as a primary caster. We had a similar class in a previous contest (Does not Meet Expectations) called the Whitescourge, and the problem the creator ran into in playtesting is that his players were using the class as a straight up tank and rarely using their spells. With the self-healing abilities of your Blood Mage, you might encounter the same issue (the fact that outside healing doesn't work will mitigate this possibility somewhat though.
    Thank you for the feedback!

    Here's some nuances i think you missed:

    A.) Can you use temporary hit points for Bloodcasting? My gut says no, since Leach gives a reliable source of those and would let the prudent blood mage cast all day long, but the wording does not mention whether they count as health.

    -Yes, Temporary hitpoints MAY be used for bloodcasting! HOWEVER, you may notice the Bloodmages sources of temporary hitpoints only last until the end of their next turn. So, the idea is, if you want to use TWO turns to 1. Leach hitpoints, then 2. Cast a spell using some THP and some HP, then i feel that's a fair price to pay. It will slow down spellcasting enough, and will still require some actual HP.

    Side note: Yes! I Had to look up LEECH vs LEACH too haha!

    B.) Constitution spellcasting is a dangerous game, even for a class with hit points instead of spell slots. With Multiclassing or the Magic Initiate feat and a reasonable Wisdom (+3 or better), you are guaranteed to break even on the spellcasting cost of Cure Wounds or Healing Word. On top of that, you have hit points to compete with the barbarian as you share their impressive d12 hit dice and barbarians typically want to prioritize Strength first.

    -This problem was solved, as the description of Bloodcasting states when you learn Bloodcasting you sacrifice ALL spell slots, and cannot gain spell slots via multiclassing or other means.

    Additionally, it notes you CANNOT receive magical healing. It does not affect you, unless you're healed specifically from your own bloodcasting spell.

    I believe this solves that problem.

    I dont see how they can learn Heal, though. Clarify this for me please.

    Edit: I now see you were correct, and i didnt specify that it had to be from BLOODCASTING. Excellent catch. Thank you. I am editing it to say that you may only be healed by your own spells cast with BLOODCASTING (So as to prevent Magic Initiates from gaining a once a day cure wounds or something).

    2nd Edit: I believe i understand now - you're saying that learning cure wounds via magic initiate with a +3 spellcasting mod will allow you to cast cure wounds via bloodcasting and outweigh the HP cost. I think the way to solve this is to specify in the description of Bloodcasting that it cannot be used to cast primary-healing spells such as Healing Word or Cure Wounds. Editing now.

    Due to the nature of Bloodcasting, this ability may not be used to cast strictly healing spells such as Cure Wounds or Healing word.

    C.) Corrupted Blood: This goes a long way to mitigating my concern about the effects of healing on extending your hit points. The blood mage themself could still use the loophole above, but that requires them to prioritize an otherwise unnecessary attribute over the arguably more generally valuable Dexterity. Life Clerics can't pass their 1st level slots on to the blood mage to produce 2nd level effects now. I'm still worried about the potential blood mage who learns to heal, though.
    Hematologic Regeneration is too much. The fact that you didn't get to add your Constitution with Corrupted Blood was the tradeoff for using it. It created meaningful choice (less health now, or more health later). This removes the meaningful choice. Since it's such a late-in feature I'm okay with the hit dice recovery, but I think that regaining all hit dice each long rest and additional hit dice when you start combat empty is enough for the feature.


    Fair enough. I havent playtested this so you may be on to something here. Perhaps i remove the +con mod to the in-combat hit die usage. I was thinking that since it's a level 18 feature and since you can only spend 1 hit die at a time in combat (1d12+con) it would still be a tradeoff for casting since the cost for higher level spell would be greater, but I shall remove the +Con mod aspect of in-combat usage.

    EDITED: Your bone marrow has magically adjusted to your ever-increasing need for blood. You regain all your Hit Die on a Long rest. In addition, if you begin combat without any Hit Die, you regain 1 Hit Die at the start of Combat.


    D.) Path of Sacrifice: I would give Blood Aura a flat cost (4 times your level will come out approximately the same for a blood mage with max Constitution), but since you only need to check your health each time your max changes it's probably okay to put a 1/3 calculation in there. Blood Fatigue seems too versatile. I would rarely use Blood Assault unless we were fighting fewer enemies than we had party members or we were fighting things immune to psychic damage.

    -My logic here was i wanted 3 Aura types; an Offinsive BUFF, a Defensive BUFF, and an aura to make you capable as a SOLO COMBATANT. For the offensive buff, i simply adapted Crusader's Mantle and added something for spellcasters. For the Defensive buff i adapted Aid with some additional buffs. For the SOLO ability i adapted Sanctuary with a nerfed Spirit Guardians.

    I figured in a party of, say, a Monk + Fighter + Rogue, for example, the +1d4 necrotic dmg would get used. Do you think i should buff this aura to, say, 1d6 instead of 1d4? How can i balance the 3 aura's better?

    E.) Path of Enhancement: No signature Path spell? I see they get a lot of the paladin smites, which might count, but the unique spells for Harm and Sacrifice were definitely part of the draw. The weapon proficiencies seem specific without a particular reason. Blood-Tinged Weapon could just say Constitution modifier instead of Spellcasting modifier (since there is no way to change the spellcasting modifier for this feature). The rest of this class seems pretty straightforward, sort of an Eldritch Knight in reverse. I like it.

    -I struggled to create a spell here, and my player that wanted this class wasnt as concerned with a new spell. I wanted the class to be a sort of "weave in and out" of combat, stealing temp HP and using it to cast spells, i sort of combined a Monk with a Valor Bard. I suppose i could create a new spell for this class, i just never got around to it and i didnt really have one that "spoke to me" so to speak. But, to be fair, Siphon life/Mass Siphon life are CLASS spells so all of the subclasses get it.

    F.) In your new spells, you sometimes use the redundant wording "creature you can see of your choice within range". 'Of your choice' is implied by the nature of spells, so you can leave it out and it will make them read nicer. Blood Boil's secondary effect should probably require an action instead of a bonus action (as it is quite a lot of guaranteed damage). Dark Blessing is redundant (either just give Sacrificers Bless as normal, or give Dark Blessing a unique effect with a similar purpose similar to Hex/Hunter's Mark).

    -In retrospect, Dark Blessing was lazy. I just reskinned Bless since i wanted that subclass to have Bless but it didnt fit Thematically. I may need to toy around with the spell to make it more original. Bloodboil, This i think i want to leave as is, it's a Path of Harm SPECIFIC spell that i wanted to Rival fireball. The idea was to damage on par with Fireball, but sacrifice the AoE aspect of the spell for better single target effect, which i adapted from the Heat Metal spell. I wanted this to be a good one. Do you think it's strictly TOO OP? I wanted it to be a show stopper.
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    I liked the idea of the Truenamer even if it functioned poorly in 3.5. I also liked successor systems like Pathfinder's Sphere's of Magic, so you're already in my area of enjoyment.

    • Each of the subclasses feels unique, especially with their exclusive words of power. I think you did great work there.
    • The core classes features mostly pertain to improving the use of its magic system, as befits a full-caster equivalent class.
    • You don't mention in your crafting testaments section or in the class description what is added to a Calligraphy check. By context, it seems to be Intelligence plus your proficiency in Calligrapher's Tools, but it would be nice to have it explicitly spelled out somewhere.
    • I am a little concerned about the high starting difficulty of testaments. For example, the simplest complex testament which deals damage (Sharp/Dull or Hard/Solf plus an energy) would still have a DC of 15, which would leave a 1st level character with around 55% chance of success. Expertise with the tools kicks in at 2nd level, which does help a lot, but some of the tasks will still be extremely unreliable (image, as a Simple Word, has a DC of 25, when the highest possible bonus that could be attained is +17, which requires level 17 and a +5 attribute bonus). This has the side effect of making the scrimshander extremely attractive due to their ability to decrease the DC by sacrificing health.
    • Related to the previous, making testaments of six words (the highest breakpoint for most Words' improving effects) seems rather unattractive. For example, a Sharp, Hard, Strike with Fire, Acid, and Cold (these words chosen to minimize the DC) would still have a DC of 25, assuming none of those words had been used yet that day.
    • Finally, Shape words should probably be cheaper since their only use is in creating multi-word testaments. Creature especially should have a lower cost, as it allows a single target to affect two for the same cost as creating a 15 food cube (which could reliably affect 3 or 4).



    Each individual word seems to be in about a good place, and the scaling function is nice, allowing even cheaper testaments to remain valuable in higher tiers due to how extra words multiply the dice instead of adding them. I think you've done a great job, but I'd be interested to know what your ideal break points for number of successful uses per day were.

    Thanks so much for your feedback! Iíll try to go point by point.

    Calligraphy tools vs calligraphy DC,
    Wish Iíd thought of that myself, Iíll see if I have time to edit the pdf tonight but I definitely donít have time to reformat the whole thing if it shuffles text so I may have to do without. Thanks for the heads up, Iíll definitely fix it before the official release on DMsguild!

    High DCs
    I felt the ability to stack damage and conditions so freely was so strong and invert those conditions to protect allies so good, a real chance of failure was warranted. Take Stop, Fire, and Lasting/Brief at level 1 and you can potentially grant an ally a minute of Fire Resistance with no concentration, so you can also light an enemy on Fire for 3d8/round for a minute as well as grant ďTotal CoverĒ against a lot of non magic ranged attacks with your Stop which is also a Trap square.

    # of uses of Complex Testaments re: 6 words
    This was a real tap dance to get it where I wanted. If a party averages 4 combats a day, averaging 4-5 rounds a piece, I wanted the player to be able to do something flashy about 3/5 rounds, but different things each time. There are some really great combos in there, but I didnít want the player to be able to sit atop one the way ďPolymorph/DisintegrateĒ can kind of be the end all for spell casters.

    There are a lot of features that add dice to checks (Bardic Inspire, Inspiration, Enhance Ability, Lucky, Wild Sorc, Guidance, Easy Word of Power and far more Iím sure) if the party stacks them on you, you could be throwing lingering 12d10 balls of Fire on areas as fight starters at level 5. And create a trap square with Stop in the exit on the same turn. Thatís strong, but it takes an entire party of specifically chosen subclasses to commit resources to accomplish it, so I think itís balanced.

    Some words are supposed to be 1/day but I wanted to entice gambling for more. some words have pretty spectacular effects and that meant hard DCs to justify their possible effect. Image is perhaps the most singularly powerful word. Copy the Lich and ask the duplicate where the phylactery is? Copy your Paladin and have him go supernova? So I really think that should only happen about once a day at best. Same for those 6 Word combos, but again, if the whole party chips in, you could have a +4 to +16 from bonus dice and advantage with lucky.

    I donít generally balance stuff against whatís possible in edge cases like that though.

    ... sorry, had to stop in the middle of this post and think Iíve lost the thread. Iíll come back later

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    Did this contest get an extension or just fall by the wayside? If it's not closed, I'd appreciate some feedback. Actually, that'd be nice either way.
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    How did I miss this!?! Argh! Cool stuff.
    Stick around! We have a new one coming up soon!

    Forgot to post the voting link here when I made the thread on Monday.

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    Added a Calligrapher mix Fighter Subclass to my document. It isnít meant to affect the judging since itís not base class, just an idea for me and a free gift for anyone that thinks this might be interesting enough to play.

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    In third place, with 8 points earned, we have theVoidWatches's Arcanist! Gamble with your magic as a core class feature!

    In second place, with 9 points earned, BerzerkerUnit's Calligrapher! It's sorta like a truenamer, but it functions properly!

    And in first place, with 10 points earned, MoleMage's Cultist! Stealing innate magic and worshipping the weird!

    This was a good contest all around; a lot of complete, well built entries. Time had the most votes, so I'll be putting together the chat thread and submissions thread for that presently, but the new theme ideas will be noted at the beginning of that chat thread so we have time to consider them.
    Contest is tallied, and the new chat thread is up here! http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...IX-Chat-Thread
    Signature currently down for maintenance. Expected completion March 22, 3046.

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