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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    So if Roy destroys his skeleton and then Redcloak destroys the phylactery while he's in it, Eugene is stuck?
    Going by the literal oath it sounds possible.

    That said I'm not sure if a Good afterlife would keep someone trapped on the clouds forever if the oath they made in life becomes impossible to fulfill. Maybe he'd be kicked to a different afterlife as punishment?

    EDIT: On the other hand if the literal oath states that his heirs have to exact horrible vengeance rather than stating they have to kill the lich destroying Xykon's body so Redcloak can finish the job with the phylactery might already count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldsong View Post
    Going by the literal oath it sounds possible.

    That said I'm not sure if a Good afterlife would keep someone trapped on the clouds forever if the oath they made in life becomes impossible to fulfill. Maybe he'd be kicked to a different afterlife as punishment?

    EDIT: On the other hand if the literal oath states that his heirs have to exact horrible vengeance rather than stating they have to kill the lich destroying Xykon's body so Redcloak can finish the job with the phylactery might already count.
    Honestly, Eugene being stuck on the clouds forever would be both a less painful and more appropriate punishment than sending him to an evil afterlife. Being just out of reach of his great prize is an agonizing psychological punishment, but either way he hasn't actually done anything too wrong to make him deserve proper torment. He's been neglectful, but hasn't really gone out of his way to do anything more than "iffy".

    Leaving him out on the clouds probably won't happen, but it would be about what he deserves for the time being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    Honestly, Eugene being stuck on the clouds forever would be both a less painful and more appropriate punishment than sending him to an evil afterlife. Being just out of reach of his great prize is an agonizing psychological punishment, but either way he hasn't actually done anything too wrong to make him deserve proper torment. He's been neglectful, but hasn't really gone out of his way to do anything more than "iffy".

    Leaving him out on the clouds probably won't happen, but it would be about what he deserves for the time being.
    I was more thinking about a Neutral afterlife or maybe just from Lawful Good to Neutral Good, since breaking your oath is usually considered an unlawful act. I wouldn't throw him into an evil afterlife.

    That said I agree that being on the clouds is an appropriate punishment, but I also think that the phrase "for the time being" is very important there. Eventually something would have to be done with his soul if only because I don't think any of the gods could cash in on his soul if it was stuck there forever.

    Honestly Neutral Good afterlife sounds appropriate to me since assuming that the rest of his existence qualifies for Lawful Good failing to fulfill the oath alone doesn't sound like adequate reason to punish him much. The Neutral Good afterlife could even be treated as the appropriate place for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldsong View Post
    I was more thinking about a Neutral afterlife or maybe just from Lawful Good to Neutral Good, since breaking your oath is usually considered an unlawful act. I wouldn't throw him into an evil afterlife.

    That said I agree that being on the clouds is an appropriate punishment, but I also think that the phrase "for the time being" is very important there. Eventually something would have to be done with his soul if only because I don't think any of the gods could cash in on his soul if it was stuck there forever.
    I'd say just judge him, counting the broken oath like the other living acts he did (considering everything he's done in the clouds I'd also say judge him for that), if we count his afterlife I'd doubt he'd make it into lawful.

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    I'd say just judge him, counting the broken oath like the other living acts he did (considering everything he's done in the clouds I'd also say judge him for that), if we count his afterlife I'd doubt he'd make it into lawful.
    True. It'd be like Thor telling Durkon he needs to go back even if he doesn't want to - it'd be taking away his prize after winning the race.

    That said, there appears to be plenty of instances of Eugene being both Neutral on the LC spectrum and Neutral on the GE spectrum. There's a compelling argument to be made that he wouldn't qualify for the LG afterlife even disregarding his actions after his death (though those are really more "cranky old man" moments more than anything serious).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    True. It'd be like Thor telling Durkon he needs to go back even if he doesn't want to - it'd be taking away his prize after winning the race.

    That said, there appears to be plenty of instances of Eugene being both Neutral on the LC spectrum and Neutral on the GE spectrum. There's a compelling argument to be made that he wouldn't qualify for the LG afterlife even disregarding his actions after his death (though those are really more "cranky old man" moments more than anything serious).
    I'd say his most likely afterlife is True Neutral (followed by Lawful Good, and then NG and LN tied for third).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I'd say his most likely afterlife is True Neutral (followed by Lawful Good, and then NG and LN tied for third).
    Honestly I'd say LN/NG (in NG's favor) is most likely, LG is the second most likely, maybe TN.
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    I am Expecting Roy to be the one to defeat Xykon.

    I am also expecting a parody of the final fight with the Night King from Game of Thrones
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    Quote Originally Posted by archon_huskie View Post
    I am Expecting Roy to be the one to defeat Xykon.

    I am also expecting a parody of the final fight with the Night King from Game of Thrones
    I'm expecting him to start off saying some cheesey (but originally epic) one-liner/microspeech ("Life...Hopes...Dreams...Where do they come from? Where do they go?") and then ditch it because he'd prefer his own material.

    "We can either fuss about the meaning of life like a pair of ninnies...or I can get right to wiping the floor with your pathetic mid-level behinds. Let's roll!"
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    Luna_Mayflower, using the greatest prophecy.

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    Luna_Mayflower, using the greatest prophecy.
    What about the second-greatest prophecy? Does that one work too?
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    I think that the question is malformed.

    "Who will destroy the liche known as Xykon?"

    Answer: Roy Greenhilt, with an assist from Redcloak via the phylactery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KorvinStarmast View Post
    I think that the question is malformed.

    "Who will destroy the liche known as Xykon?"

    Answer: Roy Greenhilt, with an assist from Redcloak via the phylactery.
    I'm guessing the "liche known as" bit is a side effect of the Oracle's shenanigans.

    "How will Xykon be destroyed?"

    "Xykon "Zeke" Alvarez, gnomish owner of the second biggest Dirt farm in the Northern Continent, will fall victim to a giant earth-elemental falling from the sky as a side effect of his Head of Magical Affairs's attempt to make the dirt transportation process more efficient"
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    Will we ever find out Xykon's real name?

    (I can only see it as a joke)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    Will we ever find out Xykon's real name?

    (I can only see it as a joke)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    Xanatos Yykyyk-Kaleidoscope-Oni North.
    Herb Wilson.

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    Xanatos Yykyyk-Kaleidoscope-Oni North.
    I'm pretty sure it's North-East!

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    Red Cloak, in the astral fortress, with the fake phylactery.
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    ykyyk... so is xykon part kobold? ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard_Lizard View Post
    ykyyk... so is xykon part kobold? ;)
    Of course he is.

    He's an evil sorcerer (opposing Roy's good fighter), he's an unholy abomination (opposed to Durkon's pious nature), he's carefree and relies on raw talent (instead of V's studies and dedication), he's cruel and ill-intentioned (opposing Elan's innocence and good nature), and he's bent on tyranny and domination (opposing to Haley's independent nature and love for freedom).

    He has to have something that makes him a counterpart to Belkar.
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    Xykon is the ultimate linear guild!

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    Obviously it will be throwing axe kilt guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    Of course he is.

    He's an evil sorcerer (opposing Roy's good fighter), he's an unholy abomination (opposed to Durkon's pious nature), he's carefree and relies on raw talent (instead of V's studies and dedication), he's cruel and ill-intentioned (opposing Elan's innocence and good nature), and he's bent on tyranny and domination (opposing to Haley's independent nature and love for freedom).

    He has to have something that makes him a counterpart to Belkar.
    Xykon has no sense of taste.

    Literally, one particularly memorable moment is him throwing a temper tantrum because being undead means drinking coffee doesn't do anything for him anymore.

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    In a drunken fit of rage, Thad will kill Xykon.

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    Eugene agreed too readily, in Roys opinion, never to visit Roys Ma in the afterlife.

    So maybe Eugene knows hes not getting to LG heaven no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    Eugene agreed too readily, in Roys opinion, never to visit Roys Ma in the afterlife.

    So maybe Eugene knows hes not getting to LG heaven no matter what.
    My thought is that Eugene will eventually realize he no longer wants into LG heaven.

    He's not interested in reconciliation with Sara, Horace, Erik, or Roy. Climbing the Mountain in search of higher and higher states of transcendence would bore him to tears. Yeah, he'd probably be a regular at the Tavern of Infinite One Night Stands and the Debate Hall Where You Always Win...but really, the reason he's still obsessed with getting into Celestia is that it's a prize he's been denied, and Eugene hates to lose.

    If you actually got the old grouch to sit down and think for five minutes, and then offered him the choice between moping around Celestia grumbling about how the whole place is run wrong, or chilling with Julia and all the great minds at a wizards' commune on the True Neutral plane (and, let's face it, grumbling about how that place is run too, because Eugene)...it's clear which one he'd actually be happy in.

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    Eugene will probably still be in the upper left corner of the after life (LN or NG, he's not Chaotic or Evil by any means), but TN could work. I'm not sure if his promise to Roy would apply to Julia if Julia goes to TN, but I doubt he cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    Eugene will probably still be in the upper left corner of the after life (LN or NG, he's not Chaotic or Evil by any means), but TN could work. I'm not sure if his promise to Roy would apply to Julia if Julia goes to TN, but I doubt he cares.
    ...

    If he's not in an L afterlife, yeah, any promises he made won't be anywhere near as binding, by the very nature of lack of L.

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    Have we completely discarded the appearance of Nokyx Lichkiller, son of another Fyron Xykon killed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by D.One View Post
    Have we completely discarded the appearance of Nokyx Lichkiller, son of another Fyron Xykon killed?
    "Oh, I remember that one! Because it was the day after laundry day, and I was so glad that I hadn't gotten my new crown dirty already."
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