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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I've been wondering who will kill Xykon (or make him more deader), because he is gonna be killed by the end of the comic, I personally think it will be one of three people (though I imagine other people might have other theories).
    1. Roy: It makes sense, the protagonist, the blood oath, and all that (making him somewhat unlikely to actually strike the killing blow)
    2. Redcloak: He's almost certainly going to start helping the good guys at the end, and he has the phylactery making it easiest for him to kill him, especially after the body is destroyed.
    3. Belkar: I imagine this one is less obvious, but I feel like it would be appropriate for his final act to be unequivically Good, and he would likely die killing Xykon (maybe his final moments will involve the clasp no longer hurting him).
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    I put 100 GP on "not Roy" if anyone is willing to bet.
    Make it 20 quatloos.

    Personally, I feel like "not Roy" will be applicable if only because I doubt Roy can smash a phylactery. That said, when it comes to smashing the body, Roy will be the most likely candidate.
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    "Not-Roy" is too vague to wager gp or quatloos. Also, what counts as destroying? 'Cause Roy has already done the deed if you mean corporeal destruction.

    10 quatloos = Roy destroys the physical body of Xykon.

    10 quatloos = Redcloak destroys the phylactery.

    1000 quatloos = the true identity of Redcloak's niece will remain a secret until the sequel book, 'Broken Hearts and Broken Skulls.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian 333 View Post
    "Not-Roy" is too vague to wager gp or quatloos. Also, what counts as destroying? 'Cause Roy has already done the deed if you mean corporeal destruction.

    10 quatloos = Roy destroys the physical body of Xykon.

    10 quatloos = Redcloak destroys the phylactery.

    1000 quatloos = the true identity of Redcloak's niece will remain a secret until the sequel book, 'Broken Hearts and Broken Skulls.'
    Iíll take that first bet, and then offer another

    10000 quatloos: Redcloak and/or Belkar will not die with an Evil alignment.

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    I kind of assumed that the point of Belkar's protection from evil cloak would be to eventually show that he's no longer evil at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalFailure View Post
    I kind of assumed that the point of Belkar's protection from evil cloak would be to eventually show that he's no longer evil at some point.
    It can also just be used to show that he is still, indeed, evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squire Doodad View Post
    Make it 20 quatloos.

    Personally, I feel like "not Roy" will be applicable if only because I doubt Roy can smash a phylactery. That said, when it comes to smashing the body, Roy will be the most likely candidate.
    But smashing things is what Roy is all about.

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    Only smashing puny kobolds, that means heíll kill the Oracle and KilKil!

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    Since no one else has said it, I'll say it: The Snarl. Roy's already hurled his bones at a gate once before to finish him off, I could see it being done again, only into the rift where he's either torn to shreds, or in the trope of every movie/videogame ever, merges with the Snarl, leaving Roy and Redcloak to somehow distract him while the Gods seal him for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    Only smashing puny kobolds, that means heíll kill the Oracle and KilKil!
    With a name like KilKil, his parents almost begged that someone murder him... He should be called YakYak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Since no one else has said it, I'll say it: The Snarl. Roy's already hurled his bones at a gate once before to finish him off, I could see it being done again, only into the rift where he's either torn to shreds, or in the trope of every movie/videogame ever, merges with the Snarl, leaving Roy and Redcloak to somehow distract him while the Gods seal him for good.
    I see it as being less likely that the Snarl would fuse with him in any way, and more likely that the Snarl would devour him and then realize there's someone right outside the gate, thus causing small tendrils to leak out and shred everything around it like what Laurin did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeswald View Post
    I've been wondering who will kill Xykon (or make him more deader), because he is gonna be killed by the end of the comic, I personally think it will be one of three people (though I imagine other people might have other theories).
    1. Roy: It makes sense, the protagonist, the blood oath, and all that (making him somewhat unlikely to actually strike the killing blow)
    2. Redcloak: He's almost certainly going to start helping the good guys at the end, and he has the phylactery making it easiest for him to kill him, especially after the body is destroyed.
    3. Belkar: I imagine this one is less obvious, but I feel like it would be appropriate for his final act to be unequivically Good, and he would likely die killing Xykon (maybe his final moments will involve the clasp no longer hurting him).
    My money is on Roy trapping Xykon in a way that renders him not a threat (maybe getting him to destroy a magic artifact and lose all arcane spellcasting permanently, then shunt him to another plane?), thus trapping Eugene on the clouds. Perfect fate for all: Roy fulfills his duty while Eugene and Xykon are bored out of their skulls for all eternity.

    Only catch is, I also expect V to lose all spellcasting ability as well, because that is the obvious conclusion to V's arc. Probably only Roy, Haley, and Elan walk away unscathed at the end of it all, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drazen View Post
    My money is on Roy trapping Xykon in a way that renders him not a threat (maybe getting him to destroy a magic artifact and lose all arcane spellcasting permanently, then shunt him to another plane?), thus trapping Eugene on the clouds. Perfect fate for all: Roy fulfills his duty while Eugene and Xykon are bored out of their skulls for all eternity.
    Roy only got into celestia the first time around because he died while actively trying to fulfill the oath. If he deliberately goes out of his way not to I don't think he'll get to just waltz back in. Also that sequence of events is so convoluted and hard to set up I really don't think Roy would ever hatch that plan in the first place let alone actually execute it.

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    I still personally think that one of the Snarl gates/rifts is going to get plane-shifted onto the Astral Plane, and upon destabilizing and detonating, will one-shot Xykon's big bad tomb-fortress into floating rubble. Possibly with Xykon or somebody else inside.

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    Iíll take that first bet, and then offer another

    10000 quatloos: Redcloak and/or Belkar will not die with an Evil alignment.
    Is this like that meme where some guy bet $20 on that World Cup semifinal a few years back for Germany to beat Brazil 7-1 with Sami Khedira scoring, and ended up making just shy of $50,000?

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    Since no one else has said it, I'll say it: The Snarl. Roy's already hurled his bones at a gate once before to finish him off, I could see it being done again, only into the rift where he's either torn to shreds, or in the trope of every movie/videogame ever, merges with the Snarl, leaving Roy and Redcloak to somehow distract him while the Gods seal him for good.
    I like the book-ends aspect of this, and it certainly seems possible that Xykon, after level-grinding for quite a while at Kraagor's Tomb, is probably so deep into epic levels that even RC and the Order combined could not take him down.

    I also like that said Snarl-doom-ending reminds me of Megabyte getting pulled to his (apparent) doom in a portal to the Web at the end of ReBoot's third season (of course, he came back in a much more dangerous form, but still).

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    Only catch is, I also expect V to lose all spellcasting ability as well, because that is the obvious conclusion to V's arc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNecrocomicon View Post
    I still personally think that one of the Snarl gates/rifts is going to get plane-shifted onto the Astral Plane, and upon destabilizing and detonating, will one-shot Xykon's big bad tomb-fortress into floating rubble. Possibly with Xykon or somebody else inside.
    Honestly... why? There's nothing of interest in the tomb fortress and Xykon is unlikely to retreat there because he thinks if he gets destroyed he'll regenerate there anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatElemental View Post
    Honestly... why? There's nothing of interest in the tomb fortress and Xykon is unlikely to retreat there because he thinks if he gets destroyed he'll regenerate there anyway.
    It also has his most badass fortifications and traps prepared. If he sees forces coming for him which he feels are too much for him to handle, he'll still want to face them on his own terms, rather than relatively out in the open like Kraagor's Tomb would be.

    It would also subvert the expectations of anyone who feels that just because Xykon has an astral-plane fortress means that anyone will go there to do anything significant. Also, the fact that he trusted Redcloak enough to lay a bunch of protective spells on the place would probably mean more distress for Xykon that Redcloak would have any hand in its destruction.
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    Is this like that meme where some guy bet $20 on that World Cup semifinal a few years back for Germany to beat Brazil 7-1 with Sami Khedira scoring, and ended up making just shy of $50,000?
    No? Like, I canít think of a single thing that my (fairly obvious) bet would share with that one besides being a bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatElemental View Post
    Roy only got into celestia the first time around because he died while actively trying to fulfill the oath. If he deliberately goes out of his way not to I don't think he'll get to just waltz back in. Also that sequence of events is so convoluted and hard to set up I really don't think Roy would ever hatch that plan in the first place let alone actually execute it.
    Not saying he would deliberately engineer it that way - more that he'd be trying to fulfill it, see a way to end Xykon's threat, and take the opportunity if it presents itself.

    My thought this morning to tie it all together was that V will lose all spellcasting, make themself into a magic item somehow (can a person be a magic item in D&D?), trick Xykon into blasting them, and then he's just a lich with no spells. How he'd then get trapped for all eternity is something I have not worked out yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNecrocomicon View Post
    Also, the fact that he trusted Redcloak enough to lay a bunch of protective spells on the place
    No he didnít? Or did I miss something?

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    No he didnít? Or did I miss something?

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    I thought when O-Chull tried to break it Xykon said that "we" had put so many abjurations on it, but he actually said "there are so many abjurations on it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by The MunchKING View Post
    That's the fakelactery, not the astral-plane fortress, which is what TheNecrocomicon was talking about.

    ETA: Wait, found it a few strips later. Xykon takes RC to the fortress to cast spells off-panel before moving on to the pyramid.

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    That's the fakelactery, not the astral-plane fortress, which is what TheNecrocomico was talking about.Grey Wolf
    Oh, woops missed the topic there. Knew I should have gone back to look.
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    I put 100 GP on "not Roy" if anyone is willing to bet.
    Roy is definitely bringing the ambulant skeleton known as Xykon down to 0 HP or less.

    The phylactery, though, who knows.
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    Oh, woops missed the topic there. Knew I should have gone back to look.
    No biggie. You did give me the link that allowed me to answer the question ultimately.

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    1. Xykon will be killed, if only because his whole arc is about avoiding death and the Big Fire Below. I can imagine Xykon waking up there with the IFCC (and Belkar? Vaarsuvius? Tiamat?) there waiting to see him.

    2. I think Xykonís phylactery will survive log enough to realize heís been betrayed.

    3. Destroying the phylactery would leave Redcloak without a holy symbol, unless he has his backup handy. That might be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    1. Xykon will be killed, if only because his whole arc is about avoiding death and the Big Fire Below. I can imagine Xykon waking up there with the IFCC (and Belkar? Vaarsuvius? Tiamat?) there waiting to see him.

    2. I think Xykonís phylactery will survive log enough to realize heís been betrayed.

    3. Destroying the phylactery would leave Redcloak without a holy symbol, unless he has his backup handy. That might be interesting.
    Doesnít he have his backup on him? Heís supposed to have the phylactery in the fortress and his symbol was clearly different at Girardís Gate (though it looks like his old one at Kraagorís Tomb).

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    He does right now. The Order knows the phylactery is Redcloakís holy symbol, but they might not all recognize which one. Only Vaarsuvius got a really good look. If they take the wrong one, Redcloak may not have the backup on him when he needs it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    He does right now. The Order knows the phylactery is Redcloakís holy symbol, but they might not all recognize which one. Only Vaarsuvius got a really good look. If they take the wrong one, Redcloak may not have the backup on him when he needs it.
    That might be why Rich changed the design, compare this:
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    To this:
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    The design changed to match the phylactery meaning V probably couldnít tell them apart either, which is interesting to say the least.

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    That suggests a different plot point: that the Order obtains Redcloakís holy symbol, which Redcloak knows is real, but Xykon thinks is fake. That only makes sense (in my opinion) when Redcloak has a reason to keep the real phylactery safe without tipping his hand to Xykon (something like, ďSir, we must give chase! We want them to think itís real. If we donít go after it, theyíll know itís fake.Ē) because that creates conflict. If the Order gets the real one, then Redcloak doesnít get to destroy it, and I rather think he will; I donít really foresee Redcloak saying, ďGodspeed, be sure to use Disjunction, hereís a couple scrolls of Greater Dispel, youíll need them.Ē

    Instead, I think the Order will send someone in (Haley? Belkar?) to take one, get the wrong one, leaving Reddy with the real one and no backup. They only realize itís the wrong one when they get it back to V.

    Heck, itíd be hilarious if V brought the phylactery to the IFCC somehow. Then Xykon could be killed, wake up helpless in Hell inside his phylactery, in the hands of the IFCC. Dunno how that would work, though. Sabine?
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