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2019-08-09, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1174 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-09, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1174 - The Discussion Thread
- Belkar's clasp cast Protection from Evil, which caused him pain, waking him up, and also counteracted any domination that was still in effect on him.
- Like someone pointed out, that was a high-level scroll he spent, which also conveniently showed up for exactly that purpose, even after the Exarch had gone on about using up all his spell slots just to help raise the Godsmoot temple.
- The vampires were generally retreating into the chamber and did not (or could not) attempt to dominate the family, which included some high-level adventurers that were Sigdi's contemporaries for several decades and would probably have built up high Will saves. The vampires were also working to maintain domination of the guards and the elders inside. The elite dwarf guards may be elite, but that doesn't mean as elite as adventurers.
- The council is bureaucratic and overly officious; no wonder getting to the vote took time.
- The vampires would have needed to reposition the table back together for any sort of Mending effect to work, and they had a bunch of dwarven warriors breaking down their door to worry about.
- Apparently, the sunlight disorients the vampire, so if they don't manage to mist-form while outside of it (hence pushing the legs in), then they don't have enough time to change form and escape the sunlight inside a round. Also, good luck throwing off that many grapple checks at once.
- Incapacitation, paralysis, etc. exist as status effects that don't require knocking into unconsciousness.
He's simply reduced to dust, right? The same thing happened to Lurkon, and Durkon was able to get a standard Resurrection on the spot. The only thing that might prevent that is a gust of wind, like what happened to Kubota.
Good catch by you and everyone else who pointed that out.
The table is not a prerequisite for undoing the spell, and likely you want to do that while the meeting is not in session, since the petrification happened as a result of something committed while the meeting was in session. Also, doesn't Elan know Mending amongst his spell list?I prepared Explosive Runes before writing this signature.
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2019-08-09, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1174 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-09, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Arent we still missing one more vampire?
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2019-08-09, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Roy can blow through spawn like a hot lightsaber through warm butter. The worm succeeded in stopping Roy from taking out the guards, thus preventing the entire clan from rushing in circa Round 3. The Exarch did get the benefit of only Durkon taking one single action in the time necessary to complete a vote. Unfortunately that one action changed the "time necessary" to something else.
-The core 2nd level spell Make Whole that could easily fixt the table and is available to all clerics by default is erased from existence.
It didn't matter what the Exarch did, the plot was always for him to lose. He could've misted and it would turn out Durkon's family can shoot force beams from their eyes or something.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!
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2019-08-09, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 01:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm... makes me want to have some characters with large families, never know when they might come in handy.
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2019-08-09, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2019-08-09, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, okay, I'm slow. I've looked at this page repeatedly and I still don't see her misting. I see her portrayed in the second panel with bug eyes, and I don't see her at all after that. At what point did she mist out? Or are we simply inferring from the fact she is missing in the panels after #2?
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2019-08-09, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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#1173, second page, first panel, on the far right, behind the speech bubble.
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2019-08-09, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Huzzah! that was satifying!
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2019-08-09, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll FLING this comic up on my top 20 list of awesome pages.
Once you go scaly, you'll be back daily.
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2019-08-09, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know how related this is, but I wonder if Aristotle's sun laser could kill a vampire with sunlight.
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2019-08-09, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the most merit is behind the point about domination.
The vampires easily dominated all the guards and councilmembers and before that they dominated half of a high level adventuring party including a high level cleric.
But no domination is happening on anyone in Durkons family - even though they are swarming all over the place.
Why?
- They simply got lucky --> all of them? Possible, but very unlikely given the numbers.
- They used the time to buff up with mind blank or something --> more likely, but is there a reliable enough buff that can be cast that many times?
- The bards did something in the back to prevent domination or lift it quickly enough to not count --> not really shown and I don't know an ability that fits the bill.
- Only Greg could dominate high level characters and the Exarch only manages NPC-Guards and councilmembers who all happen to be low level --> kinda convenient, I guess.
None of these seem to be very convincing.
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2019-08-09, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1174 - The Discussion Thread
Was mentioned already but it's the right side of the 1st panel of the second page of 1173. There's a plume of smoke approximately where she would have been standing. She also fled the previous fight, so getting out now would certainly be in keeping with what we know of her.
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2019-08-09, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1174 - The Discussion Thread
I'd assume Dominate still takes an action. Assume you are a vampire with dozens of people attacking you at the same time. Do you spend your action to dominate one of them or do you either retreat and regroup or use an AOE spell?
For the council and the guards, it has been shown that the vampires were able to dominate them whenever they arrived.
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2019-08-09, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's actually a pretty good reason!
Originally Posted by Peelee's Ye Olde SRDeCuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-08-09, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, I've looked. Look at the panel where Gontor' says " Oh, this just keeps getting more pathetic."
Look behind the speech bubble where he is saying "That wouldn't have even stopped me if it had hit."
Behind that speech bubble you will see what looks like black smoke.
Notice that black smoke is directly behind the bald, brown-skinned council member with the white beard -- which is exactly where curly was standing in the last panel in which we saw her.
So yes. I see it now. Curly is unobstrusively misting out while Gontor' keeps ranting on.
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2019-08-09, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1174 - The Discussion Thread
I do neither, so I guess we're equally blind.
But, there is something looking awfully similar to a misting vampire in that panel. It's hidden behind the speech bubble so you can't see a lot of it and there are no eyes to be seen either (or at least I don't). So I'm not sure what that is. It could be some smoke or vapor or something else as well.
But given where Curly was standing before and the lack of any better explanation as to where that blackish stuff comes from it seems very likely that she did in fact mist away.
Edit: Far too many Ninjas around here...Last edited by Aetius; 2019-08-09 at 02:21 PM.
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2019-08-09, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2019-08-09, 02:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-09, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd imagine it would.
I think the main argument here would be that there's not actually many vampires left, and they had the entire night (I think) to dominate all those guards and then the council members. With Durkon's family they might just not have had the opportunity to dominate them.
Also this. Dominate takes a standard action and might not be the best option when you're dealing with an entire horde of enemies who're all swarming you.
Also apparently a vampire's dominating gaze only works up to a distance of 30 feet. Who knew?