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2019-08-16, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
So I want to do a duskblade 5/Abj. Champion 5/ Duskblade 10 build. However from what I can see Duskblade doesn't have any spells that grant an armor or shield bonus, so they can't benefit from abjurant armor, precocious apprentice misses both mage armor and it's greater version, so what can I do to get these types of spells? are there cleric domains that grant it? any help is appreciated.
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2019-08-16, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Dip a level?
Yes, there are cleric domains, but i wouldn't.
Mage armor isn't an abjuration?
I assume you want your bab and duskblade caster level as high as possible. I don't know any way to get those spells on your duskblade list, but a dip in sorcerer/wiz 1 would get you both spells. If you found some spells to spam at caster level 19 it might be cool.
But you can't cast them in armor?
Beguiler 1 adds only mage armor, but also adds silent image, detect secret doors, whelm, and undetectable alignment (abj)Last edited by bean illus; 2019-08-16 at 04:16 PM.
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2019-08-16, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Mage Armor is a Conjuration spell, anyway, not Abjuration. So even if you got access to it, it wouldn't work.
You could take Arcane Preparation and be Exalted Good in order to cast Luminous Armor (and its Greater version) as Sanctified spells. They are, as long as stealth isn't an issue, strictly speaking better than Mage Armor.
You can get Shield by way of Ring of Theurgy, I think, but only once until someone has to refill your ring for you... so that's not great.
The lack of good abjuration spell protection in the ABJURANT CHAMPION prc was always kind of a facepalm, especially since the mention of Mage Armor in specific was a whups.
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2019-08-16, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Extra Spell feat might work, ask your DM.
Likewise, you could engage in spell research (talk to your DM). Also you could research a spell that's the same as Mage Armour but is of the Abjuration school.
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2019-08-16, 08:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Abjurant Champion doesn't benefit Mage Armor as it's not an abjuration. Luminous Armor and the greater version in BoED benefit from it though, anyone good-aligned who prepares spells can cast sanctified spells. Spend a feat on Arcane Preparation and you can cast those, and get a Rod of Bodily Restoration to fix the Str damage that occurs when the spell ends.
Another option is to take Magical Training in PGtF for a few 0-level spell slots and a spellbook in which you've scribed a few 0-level spells to prepare in those. Per the Rules Compendium, since you cast spells from a spellbook, you can learn new spells and add them to your spellbook via a method identical to the one Wizards use. Thus you can learn spells like Shield and (Greater) Mage Armor, among others, and count them as spells your character has knowledge of. Take Versatile Spellcaster in Races of the Dragon, that allows you to spend two spontaneous spell slots of the same level to cast any spell you know of one level higher, which would include spells you've learned and added to your spellbook.
Yet another option is to get a custom Runestaff (MIC p224), preferably via Ancestral Relic in BoED so you can freely determine which spells it contains. Max out Use Magic Device and you can emulate a class spell list when attuning to it each day to be able to cast the spells it contains using your Duskblade spell slots.
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2019-08-16, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Or just houserule mage armor to be an abjuration like it should be.
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2019-08-17, 12:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-17, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Duskblade doesn't need mage armor since he wears actual armor
Shield is a good idea though, duskblade has a notorious lack of defensive spels on his list. I'd houserule shield to be a DB spell, really.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2019-08-17, 02:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Last edited by Thurbane; 2019-08-17 at 06:36 AM.
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2019-08-17, 03:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
And iirc the main AC spells that Abjurrant Champion does boost (both near useless) are lesser deflect and deflect - which the Duskblade does get (though should never take).
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2019-08-17, 03:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-17, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
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2019-08-17, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Arcane Disciple[Spell] might be pretty good. It gives you access to Mage Armor, but also to Anyspell. Anyspell is really good if you can use it, which is in doubt due to requiring a domain slot that you don't have. Nevertheless, it's reasonable to ask a DM.
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2019-08-17, 02:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
My advice: Knight of the Weave (CoV) PrC. Easy to qualify for, provides both Shield and Mage Armor (though you don't really need the latter).
Alternatively just ask the DM to allow you to take Shield as Duskblade spells, it comes at a cost anyways, since he need to use one of his precious few spells known for it (and while you're at it, ask him for Magic Vestment as well...).
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2019-08-17, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-18, 07:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
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2019-08-18, 07:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
i just recently came across the Beguiler (Kind of a stealthy spellcaster) but one of its abilities grants you the ability to pull spells from the sorcerer wizard spell list. might be worth checking out.
Also if you need more armor why not just buy more armor and buy a shield, and enhance the armor and shield.
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2019-08-18, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Duskblade are spontaneous so why not Knowstones?
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2019-08-20, 05:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
I'd probably just get Bracers of Armor. to eventually get upgraded into Bracers of Mailed Might of the Magelords when it becomes convenient to do so.
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2019-08-20, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-20, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
Mage Armor also protects against incorporeal attacks, which regular armor won't without Ghost Touch or similar...
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2019-08-21, 08:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-23, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mage armor/ Shield for duskblade?
We house ruled to add the bard and assassin spell list to the duskblade.