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    Well, it should say everything that a obssessiv-compulsive Nerd or a naive Farmgirl with a Work Ethic (Mystra restart 1 and 2) are the Gods MOST competent at actually keeping the realms going remotely well.

    Yes, it would all work better if Mystra gave off some of the responsibility towards other GOds/High level Mortals, but to quote a nice fic: "Of course I am responsible again. There is noone else around who COULD be responsible for anything!".


    SO yes, I support "Hugs for Mystra".
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    Oh yeah, Mystra’s the only one I respect unless Nobarion inherited more benevolent Aslan than what little there is about him lets us know. Myztra’s kinda of the same mold as Wee Jas in Greyhawk- ‘come on guys lets actually do our jobs OI VECNA STOP THAT’.

    A god that does what she is meant to is surprisingly rare.
    It is somewhat depressing that the last published player race as far as I can tell for 3.5e was the Vril. You know, the screaming purple and orange howler-bat-goblins. All that work, and that's the final one, the end of it all? Really?

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    What do you think it says about D&D? That it's designed by railroaders who want consumers who are forced to stick with their *****, no matter how bad the plot?
    There is a narrower spread of character options available, and those that exist are more and more focused on doing damage in combat. It seems that after 3.x the noncombat systems have become more and more relegated to "DMs have to make everything up" and there's no real interest in making books that aren't $60+ mega adventures or big books of hit point bags to fight.

    I think that there's a reluctance to move beyond battle mat combats. Possibly due to the fact that non-combat abilities don't play nice with the current emphasis on some idealized concept of class balance.

    This sort of thing is fine in a game where there are no questions beyond "where do we go and how hard do we have to hit things when we get there". But the question posed with "How soon does X know about Y and what do they know/do?" isn't about doing hit point damage to something.

    Luckily this is a 3.x question so we have an answer that doesn't rely completely on individual DM fiat. Get out of FR or install a better set of gods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telok View Post
    Luckily this is a 3.x question so we have an answer that doesn't rely completely on individual DM fiat. Get out of FR or install a better set of gods.
    This, but maybe first ask Mystra about which gods her plan to keep the universe from imploding, again, relies upon. Then hug her and exercise extreme care when replacing the cancerous tumors of the pantheon with better beings.
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    So, what do?
    Travel to Maztica or Zakhara, watch the firework from the safe distance?
    I mean - 4E happened just in Faerűn...


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    Just throwing this bit into the "the gods all suck" ring after seeing the thing about Mystra, every time she gets interfered with Toril had some sort of major issue pop up, which might be because she's legitimately working her hardest to keep bad things from happening and everyone and their dog keeps screwing her over while she's busy. Trying to regulate magic so the entire realm doesn't get screwed over? Ao decides the gods don't care about their mortals enough or something after a pair of idiots tried to usurp him so he chucks them all down to Toril to play mortal for a while, screwing up what Mystra was doing, messing up magic. When Mystra tried to get back to work she got explosion-punched by the security guard at the door and second edition happened. Trying to regulate magic so the entire realm doesn't get screwed over while also trying to fix the damage a big old war was doing to the weave? A wizard decides he can do it better and takes all her power, immediately using his new vast cosmic knowledge to learn that the situation was more complicated than he thought and Mystra was already in the middle of fixing it and he's may have accidentally-ed magic, forcing Mysta to give her life to keep things from getting too as bad as they otherwise would. That's still bad enough that Magic is completely messed up for a while anyway and so third edition happens. Trying to regulate magic so the entire realm doesn't get screwed over while also making sure that even if she dies again magic will be fine? Shar gets Cyric to gank her, then breaks all the fail-safes Mystra made and unleashes the spellplague on the world, fourth edition happens. The only edition change that didn't involve Mystra dying was 4th to 5th. Odd coincidence here, the spellplague that popped up after she died and her house got wrecked got fixed shortly after she got brought back to full power. Clearly those two things aren't related. Ao claimed all the credit after separating Abeil and Toril again. Weird that it took him a hundred years to get around to it and that it got done right after Mystra got fixed.
    Well, firstly - I'm really tired from people lumping Mystryl, Mystra, and Midnight into a single goddess
    Secondly, you got it very backward - Karsus's Folly happened almost 1700 years earlier than the Time of Troubles
    And thirdly, Karsus's Folly wasn't edition-changing event - Netheril: Empire of Magic was released at November of 1996 - literally years before the 3E
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    This thread is very disappointing. The OP specified that you start at level 3, but most answers say "of course I will quickly become incredibly powerful!" and utterly fail to say how they will do that.

    Instead this thread is just another "everything that sucks about FR", which isn't exactly new.


    The inability to pick your build is a shame, but I would almost certainly decide to be a Concept Cleric with the Commerce domain. This way you are sure that you won't starve or struggle with poverty !

    Otherwise, Artificer is IMO the best pick. Magic item creation rules are vague and exploitable, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalonOfAnathrax View Post
    This thread is very disappointing. The OP specified that you start at level 3, but most answers say "of course I will quickly become incredibly powerful!" and utterly fail to say how they will do that.

    Instead this thread is just another "everything that sucks about FR", which isn't exactly new.


    The inability to pick your build is a shame, but I would almost certainly decide to be a Concept Cleric with the Commerce domain. This way you are sure that you won't starve or struggle with poverty !

    Otherwise, Artificer is IMO the best pick. Magic item creation rules are vague and exploitable, after all.
    Builds isn't the purpose of the thread. Getting planeshift is relatively easy. The question is "how do you handle spellplaque?". The overall answer is: leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalonOfAnathrax View Post
    This thread is very disappointing. The OP specified that you start at level 3, but most answers say "of course I will quickly become incredibly powerful!" and utterly fail to say how they will do that.

    Instead this thread is just another "everything that sucks about FR", which isn't exactly new.


    The inability to pick your build is a shame, but I would almost certainly decide to be a Concept Cleric with the Commerce domain. This way you are sure that you won't starve or struggle with poverty !

    Otherwise, Artificer is IMO the best pick. Magic item creation rules are vague and exploitable, after all.
    I posted a link wherein I showed how easy it is to reach epic within days, and nearly all of that time is spent crafting scrolls.

    As the poster before me said, the best way to handle the spellplague is to leave it behind entirely. Or you could become immune to it, grant that immunity to your followers, and either flip the gods off when they beg (read: threaten) you to save them or use their deific powers for your own purposes with the threat that if they don't, they die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiDuRaritry View Post
    I posted a link wherein I showed how easy it is to reach epic within days, and nearly all of that time is spent crafting scrolls.

    As the poster before me said, the best way to handle the spellplague is to leave it behind entirely. Or you could become immune to it, grant that immunity to your followers, and either flip the gods off when they beg (read: threaten) you to save them or use their deific powers for your own purposes with the threat that if they don't, they die.
    I saw your link, and liked it. It was exactly the sort of content I was expecting this thread to be full of.
    On the other hand, I didn't quite understand what you meant when you started using Wishes. How do Wishes help you level ?
    They're very useful and they allow for infinite Wish loops, but that's as far as I know how to abuse them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalonOfAnathrax View Post
    I saw your link, and liked it. It was exactly the sort of content I was expecting this thread to be full of.
    Thanks.

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    On the other hand, I didn't quite understand what you meant when you started using Wishes. How do Wishes help you level ?
    They're very useful and they allow for infinite Wish loops, but that's as far as I know how to abuse them.
    Remember: since you're using planar binding, they're spell-like wishes, meaning no XP costs are involved. Now, with that in mind, it completely uncaps the gp values of any magic items you ask for, since wishing for more expensive magic items merely ups the XP cost of the wish, which is then waived.

    Now, your first act upon gaining planar binding is to find a friendly (or at least not actively hostile) djinn capable of granting wishes. Offer to enter a binding contract, wherein it grants you a wish in good faith, endeavoring to do its best to grant it without corrupting it, and you'll freely make the other two wishes on its behalf. Since most mortals who try to get free wishes will want them all for themselves, this is a pretty fantastic deal, and it's more than likely something that will tickle the djinn's interest. They can't normally use their wishes for themselves, after all.

    What would be a faster way to gain levels than to get yourself a thought bottle that is already attuned to you and is filled with enough XP to get you to epic levels?

    Alternatively, you can wish for a regular thought bottle, cast curse of lycanthropy to turn yourself into a were-[animal with huge numbers of HD], give yourself a single permanent negative level, and cast greater restoration to reset your XP to [your level + your animal HD + your new level adjustment]. Then store your new XP level in the thought bottle, cure your lycanthropy, and restore your XP to its previous level, but this time you're using it to gain class levels. Repeat this numerous times until you're whatever level you want to be.

    I'm sure there are more ways to do this (such as using polymorph + Assume Supernatural Ability to gain HD through either dusk giant or barghest), but those are the best ones, I think
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    get 20th level quickly as possible and find the mercery named kelmavor lionsbane then shank his rouge buddy. then plane shift to golarion and live happily. lot of problems in 4th edition done due cedric becoming god thus killing him makes sure kelm and midnight become gods.
    second plan replace midnight in above plan and fully rebuild weave from scrach
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    Well, firstly - I'm really tired from people lumping Mystryl, Mystra, and Midnight into a single goddess
    Secondly, you got it very backward - Karsus's Folly happened almost 1700 years earlier than the Time of Troubles
    And thirdly, Karsus's Folly wasn't edition-changing event - Netheril: Empire of Magic was released at November of 1996 - literally years before the 3E
    Yeah, the Karsus's folly thing was my bad there. I remembered that it involved edition changes, that it was second edition, and third edition was related, but I was pretty off on the specifics. It was a second edition story that took place during first edition that was made fully canon in 3rd edition. In my defense, that's complicated and weird and still a solid reason for people to leave Mystra alone.

    As for the second bit, I'd argue Mystryl, Mystra, and Mystra (Midnight) are all still the same entity, since Mystra is literally just the reincarnation of Mystryl (with a bit of an alignment shift) and Ao basically just shoved what was left of Mystra into Midnight after Mystra died, giving her the memories and powers of Mystra (who has the memories and powers of Mystryl). You might be going off a different classification, but by any metric I'd care to use they're all the same person.

    The major point is, no matter what name the goddess of magic is currently going under you really should just let her keep doing what she's doing and not mess with it, because if you do you'll screw something up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiercel View Post
    I think you’re missing the point here: it’s not the portfolios of the gods or whether they have a tinfoil “Good” halo hanging over their heads, it’s that all the gods seem totally okay with the onus of worship being 100% on mortals under the threat of Hells-like punishment, rather than the gods having to actually earn said worship. It’s a classic mafioso protection racket (“gee, mister, that’s a real nice SOUL ya got there, be a real SHAME if somethin’ were to HAPPEN to it, knowhaddaImean?” *rubs fingers together*), and being the God of Happy Butterflies That Vomit Rainbows doesn’t make you any less a mafioso if you’re willingly part of the racket.
    You see, there is a problem with that standpoint: why deities doing what they're doing with the Wall of Faithless?
    The answer is dismayingly simple: to avoid dying by long and excruciating death!
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    When Netheril fell, the people of the middle and lower classes who were not killed by the fall of the enclaves (the only living worshipers of the god) turned their backs on Amaunator, believing he did nothing to stop the disasters affecting their civilization. His followers were right, but contractually, his hands were tied. Magic in all forms was under exclusive control of Mystryl, and Amaunator had no lawful right to interfere in any way, even when a magical catastrophe, such as Netheril’s fall, was in the process of occurring.
    Over the centuries, many theories have been put forward by later scholars as to what ultimate fate Amaunator met. Some believe he was either absorbed into or became Lathander, others that he turned bitter and became At’ar, and yet others assert that he turned his back on Faerűn and entered the pantheon of the lands of Kara-Tur or simply moved on to other crystal spheres. The truth is that with the loss of nearly all his followers in Netheril after its fall, Amaunator began the long, arduous, and painful process of dying of neglect. After about a millennium, he did not have enough power left to maintain the Keep of the Eternal Sun on Mechanus and was ruthlessly exiled to the Astral Plane. His corpse now drifts with the endless astral tides, awaiting a day when some ambitious spirit may help him regain his once-proud heritage.
    See what's happens when a deity is out of worshipers?
    And, since most of humans mortals sentient beings are astonishingly careless in the matters of any importance, how can deities ensure mortals would actually sort their religious business before it's too late already?
    Only by dire threat of impending doom!
    After all, it's just rightful to inflict on those mortals the same fate those mortals jeopardized deities with - ether because of simple negligence, or by occasional case of outright antitheism?


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    So, on top of everything else, the FR deities are idiots? The Wall is their best PR idea? The {Scrubbed post, scrubbed quote}
    {Scrubbed} They "solved this ages ago" by don't having the problem in the first place!


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    This thread is very disappointing. The OP specified that you start at level 3, but most answers say "of course I will quickly become incredibly powerful!" and utterly fail to say how they will do that.

    Instead this thread is just another "everything that sucks about FR", which isn't exactly new.
    Main problem there: the very conception of Spellplague is faulty, and just couldn't happened outside of major Deus ex Machina - after all, there were already three different deities of Magic who died on Faerűn, and - while their deaths caused certain magic-related problems - there weren't nothing on the scale of Spellplague. So, what's so different now?
    (In my headcanon, Spellplague is never happened - like the all 4E)
    Attempting to fight Deus ex Machina with game mechanics is futility on the same scale as for DM words "Rocks fall, everyone dies!" to respond: "But my PC is immune to rocks! There, look the character sheet!"
    So, it's simpler to circumvent the whole situation by getting the hell out of Dodge - after all, there wasn't Spellplague in Kara-Tur, Zakhara, or Sigil.

    But if you want a PC solution - there it is: track down a Were-Legendary Shark, contract Lycanthropy from them, and sacrifice your shiny new [epic] feats for Epic Destiny - this way, you would be OK in both 3.X and 4E


    Quote Originally Posted by rmnimoc View Post
    As for the second bit, I'd argue Mystryl, Mystra, and Mystra (Midnight) are all still the same entity, since Mystra is literally just the reincarnation of Mystryl (with a bit of an alignment shift)
    Deities - unlike mortals - are incapable to change their alignment - at least, without direst consequences - say, Araushnee turned into monstrous Spider Queen, and Tyche suffered from a (very literal) split personality

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    and Ao basically just shoved what was left of Mystra into Midnight after Mystra died, giving her the memories and powers of Mystra (who has the memories and powers of Mystryl).
    Ao had decreed that none of the gods fallen during the Time of Troubles should be reinstated; the single known exception was Torm; Mystra - killed during the Time of Troubles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalonOfAnathrax View Post
    This thread is very disappointing. The OP specified that you start at level 3, but most answers say "of course I will quickly become incredibly powerful!" and utterly fail to say how they will do that.

    Instead this thread is just another "everything that sucks about FR", which isn't exactly new.
    To be fair, if you pick a setting which is arguably already dystopian due to one of its major features and then say “what do you do when there is a major apocalypse coming on top of it all?” then “leave!” with reasons why is an eminently reasonable response.

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    Builds isn't the purpose of the thread. Getting planeshift is relatively easy. The question is "how do you handle spellplaque?". The overall answer is: leave.
    This.

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    I saw your link, and liked it. It was exactly the sort of content I was expecting this thread to be full of.
    To be fair, MaxiDuRaritry posted a “get arbitrarily large power quickly” strat that could apply to anything, in principle, assuming that a DM doesn’t mind various forms of shenanigans that obviate playing the actual game and culminate in a custom-written feat that overtly says “I am immune to this apocalypse” and serves it up to adoring followers as a sort of cherry on top.

    If infinite XP is this freely available, it should have already happened, including by BBEGs, and a Spellplague is the least of one’s apocalypses. (And “leave” is arguably still a better strategy, i.e. have your infinite power in some campaign setting that isn’t a total fixer-upper.)

    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    You see, there is a problem with that standpoint: why deities doing what they're doing with the Wall of Faithless?
    The answer is dismayingly simple: to avoid dying by long and excruciating death!
    See what's happens when a deity is out of worshipers?
    And, since most of humans mortals sentient beings are astonishingly careless in the matters of any importance, how can deities ensure mortals would actually sort their religious business before it's too late already?
    Only by dire threat of impending doom!
    After all, it's just rightful to inflict on those mortals the same fate those mortals jeopardized deities with - ether because of simple negligence, or by occasional case of outright antitheism?
    Or, you know, gods could actually EARN worship through their deeds and/or the deeds they exhort from their followers. Instead, the FR gods—either willfully, or tacitly going along with Ao’s “dance mortal monkeys dance!” sadism—run an extortion racket; that’s not symbiotic, it’s parasitic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calthropstu View Post
    Builds isn't the purpose of the thread. Getting planeshift is relatively easy. The question is "how do you handle spellplaque?". The overall answer is: leave.
    I thought the answer to handling spellplaque was using a spelltoothbrush.

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    I was reading a forgotten realms story and I got a bit curious as to what people would do in a specific situation.

    The situation is this: You wake up in a new human body in Toril. The year is 1375 DR, meaning in just ten years everything is going to get fourth editioned when the spellplague happens. The previous owner of your body went through the effort of learning the basics for the class(es) of your choice and is effectively level three. That said you can assume your body was, like everyone else in canon Toril, poorly optimized. Think the wizard with the starting feat Toughness from the PHB. Their choices are better to have than nothing, but definitely not anything that'll help you that much.
    Getting rid of the Feats should be easy. Retraining, Chaos Feat Shuffle or Psionics.
    So, you've got ten years in the world to amass all the power you can before fourth edition nerfs literally everything and you're left with as much of your power as the new system allows. Of course, if in those ten years you can manage to stop Mystra from getting ganked (again) or otherwise stop the spellplague (even the overdiety Ao couldn't so that might be a bit above your level) you might be able to prolong the age of greatness that was the Third (and a half) Edition. So, what do?
    The biggest question is, how house ruled is the world. What abuses are (still?) in the world.
    Could I say: Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu?
    Deals with Efreeti?
    Is there Epic Spellcasting?
    Is there a way to become a Gestalt build?

    Assuming the Abuses are there so I can use them and there are Magic Shops.
    I would try to get an Candle of Invocation (8.400 GM) ASAP, to get an unlimited wish ring and get levels fast with Thought Bottle and Lycantrophy.
    I would Chaos Feat Shuffle the useless Racial Feats and poor choice Feats away into something usefull.

    Buildwise (if Gestalt is not an option) I am not shure at the Moment, but probably something with Ur-Priest.
    (I would not count on psionics, because psionics got changed in 4e too.)

    I then would Research about getting back to (our) Earth (could I still use magic here?), if yes. I would get there to research the spellplague, because I'm unshure about the in game justification.
    If not, I would try to summon someone from Earth with more Knowledge about it. If it's as simple as warning Mystra I would send her a message and to be safe planeshift away to somewhere, where I could keep my power and the spellplague is not happening.

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    You see, there is a problem with that standpoint: why deities doing what they're doing with the Wall of Faithless?
    The answer is dismayingly simple: to avoid dying by long and excruciating death!
    Willing to do extremely evil acts to preserve their immortality? That sounds familiar… and not in an "exalted good" kind of way.

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    See what's happens when a deity is out of worshipers?
    And, since most of humans mortals sentient beings are astonishingly careless in the matters of any importance, how can deities ensure mortals would actually sort their religious business before it's too late already?
    Murder all the gods, replace them with their betters?

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    Only by dire threat of impending doom!
    May noone who believes this ever be in any position of power.

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    After all, it's just rightful to inflict on those mortals the same fate those mortals jeopardized deities with - ether because of simple negligence, or by occasional case of outright antitheism?
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    Please, explain me: what, exactly, Norse gods "solved" ages ago?
    Tiered afterlives.

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    Would those Norse gods die slowly and painfully if Norse people just stop to worship them?
    If no - then they "solved this ages ago" by don't having the problem in the first place!
    Curiously, other D&D worlds don't need the Wall of Evil. Sounds like it's not a "necessary" evil, after all. The FR deities are just idiots.

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    Deities - unlike mortals - are incapable to change their alignment - at least, without direst consequences - say, Araushnee turned into monstrous Spider Queen, and Tyche suffered from a (very literal) split personality

    Ao had decreed that none of the gods fallen during the Time of Troubles should be reinstated; the single known exception was Torm; Mystra - killed during the Time of Troubles...
    That's all true, but Midnight still has all the memories and emotions of both the others (though she tries to avoid them, since the memories of a diety are a big deal and the more of them the views the less Midnight and the more Mystra she becomes). She knows what it felt like to have Karsus usurp her power, for example, and that means the other Mystra did too, so there's a continuity of consciousness there as well.

    I don't know what you use to determine if someone's the same person, but continuity of consciousness is good enough for me and they've all got it. Ao can make whatever decree he wants, but the fact of the matter is that Midnight remembers being Mystra who remembers being Mystryl and interfering with whatever entity has those memories and the slot in the narrative that Mystra has ranges from "a bad idea" to "literally apocalyptic" and Mystra could really use a hug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalonOfAnathrax View Post
    This thread is very disappointing. The OP specified that you start at level 3, but most answers say "of course I will quickly become incredibly powerful!" and utterly fail to say how they will do that.
    This is the 3e/3.5e/d20 subforum, where going from level 3 to epic in a ridiculously short span of time can be left as an exercise for the proverbial reader.

    EDIT: Forgot to answer: Leave Faerun or replace the Gods
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiercel View Post
    The same thing I do every Forgotten Realms campaign, Pinky:

    TEAR DOWN THE WALL OF THE FAITHLESS!


    Er.

    "Get out of Dodge" seems a reasonable option, honestly.
    This. So much this.

    Especially as Toril canonically has Spelljammjng AND several pathways to the 'real' world.

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    im honetsly curious why its so bad people want to leave Faerun.

    The part about killing and replacing most gods though? that will be a bit hard, what with the parasitic relation they have with the world.

    Best methold would be probably beheading the dragon, literally, as the start, just so, there wont be heavy interference.
    as for the rest of the gods? i dont even know most of them, so SOME may be rehabilated (maybe the nature gods most likely?) though there will be opposition, maybe even more so as not everyone of them will die (so if you wanna spare Mystra, you gotta do it smart, so the idiots dont kill her, force her to fight or use as a shield).
    ...again i dont know enough to jug who needs killing and who not, so i leave it to others to judge.

    aside from that, im swayed by the "hug Mystra" club, so yeah, heads up and hugs for her.
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    Also pseudodragons takes easily more screen time than "true" dragons.
    (but it is fair: "true" dragons are not telepathic venomous flying cats and so does not deserve screen time like a pseudodragon)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiercel View Post
    Or, you know, gods could actually EARN worship through their deeds and/or the deeds they exhort from their followers.
    And they do!
    Look there - Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting have almost a hundred of various deities, yet there are enough worship to all of them.
    Deities who're really unpopular are suffering for it terribly - see the declination of Gorellik, coma of Ramenos, or - once again - death of Amaunator.

    Quote Originally Posted by tiercel View Post
    Instead, the FR gods—either willfully, or tacitly going along with Ao’s “dance mortal monkeys dance!” sadism—run an extortion racket;
    What sadism?
    They set the punishment for endangering their lives.
    Where's Ao involved there?

    Quote Originally Posted by tiercel View Post
    that’s not symbiotic, it’s parasitic.
    Is grazing cow symbiotic to a grass?
    Note: it's manure fertilizing a soil on which grass grows.

    So, deities are "cows", and mortals are "grass" (like it or not)

    Except, grass can't just stand up and go somewhere where are no cows.
    People - can.
    Yet, there are no mass migrations to other realms...


    Quote Originally Posted by Telok View Post
    Valhalla is ale & wenches & bar fights all the time. All you have to do to get in is not blaspheme, not be a total coward, and die fighting. And it may be possible to squeak through on two out of three. Good reason for lots of adventure type people to follow them.
    By this metrics, none of the best warriors are, actually, in Valhalla: best warriors don't die fighting - their enemies do

    Quote Originally Posted by Telok View Post
    The Norns spawned demigod offspring semi-regularly and actively answered prayers sometimes.
    D&D deities are answering prayers pretty much all the time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Telok View Post
    To the point of the god showing up in person sometimes.
    Also isn't unheard of (even outside the Time of Troubles): say, horde of the No-Nose from the Bloodier Teeth tribe at Orsraun Mountains was vanquished by a mysterious knight in shining white armor, who was said to be the god Torm (Swords of the Iron Legion)

    Quote Originally Posted by Telok View Post
    But their actual continued existance depended on a goddess and some fruit trees. They existed as gods independent of worship.
    Exactly!


    Quote Originally Posted by rmnimoc View Post
    That's all true, but Midnight still has all the memories and emotions of both the others (though she tries to avoid them, since the memories of a diety are a big deal and the more of them the views the less Midnight and the more Mystra she becomes). She knows what it felt like to have Karsus usurp her power, for example, and that means the other Mystra did too, so there's a continuity of consciousness there as well.
    Any quotes?

    Quote Originally Posted by rmnimoc View Post
    I don't know what you use to determine if someone's the same person, but continuity of consciousness is good enough for me and they've all got it. Ao can make whatever decree he wants, but the fact of the matter is that Midnight remembers being Mystra who remembers being Mystryl and interfering with whatever entity has those memories and the slot in the narrative that Mystra has ranges from "a bad idea" to "literally apocalyptic" and Mystra could really use a hug.
    If Ao declared that none of the gods fallen during the Time of Troubles should be reinstated, than why Torm called the single known exception?
    I mean - Ao can change his mind (like he did it with Torm), but he should at least admit it (like he did it with Torm)

    One more thing about Mystra: Weave is artificial construct which is just constraining magical abilities (spellcasters from other realms are able to use magic in Faerűn just fine, but opposite isn't true for faerűnian spellcasters in another realms; and Epic Spellcasting doesn't using Weave at all). Mystra maintaining Weave, thus keeping shackles on magical abilities of faerűnian population. Maybe, when she wouldn't be there anymore, and the Weave will finally crash down, it will allow for some new magic...

    Also, if it's the same goddess, then why we call her by the "middle name" - not the "original" (Mystryl), nor the "latest" (Midnight)?


    Quote Originally Posted by Quertus View Post
    Willing to do extremely evil acts to preserve their immortality? That sounds familiar… and not in an "exalted good" kind of way.
    What's so bad about the protecting themselves from impending death?
    Lex talionis!

    Quote Originally Posted by Quertus View Post
    Murder all the gods, replace them with their betters?
    Oh, my sweet summer child, you're believing "their betters", whoever they may be, would be devoid of self-preservation instinct...

    Quote Originally Posted by Quertus View Post
    May noone who believes this ever be in any position of power.
    Except they already are - every time and everywhere

    Quote Originally Posted by Quertus View Post
    Tiered afterlives.
    And faerűnian deities - didn't?
    Is it really worse than the Dark Sun or Eberron, where everybody are suffering regardless?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quertus View Post
    Curiously, other D&D worlds don't need the Wall of Evil. Sounds like it's not a "necessary" evil, after all. The FR deities are just idiots.
    What "other D&D worlds"?
    Al-Qadim, where afterlife is completely unknown?
    Dark Sun, where everybody are suffering regardless?
    Dragonlance, where afterlife is completely unknown?
    Eberron, where everybody are suffering regardless?
    Ghostwalk, where afterlife is completely unknown?
    Midnight, where is no afterlife?
    Mystara, where are no deities?
    Ravenloft, where is no afterlife (and also, everybody are suffering despite of it)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    And they do!

    What sadism?
    They set the punishment for endangering their lives.
    Where's Ao involved there?

    Is grazing cow symbiotic to a grass?
    Note: it's manure fertilizing a soil on which grass grows.

    So, deities are "cows", and mortals are "grass" (like it or not)

    Except, grass can't just stand up and go somewhere where are no cows.
    People - can.
    Yet, there are no mass migrations to other realms...

    D&D deities are answering prayers pretty much all the time...

    If Ao declared that none of the gods fallen during the Time of Troubles should be reinstated, than why Torm called the single known exception?
    I mean - Ao can change his mind (like he did it with Torm), but he should at least admit it (like he did it with Torm)

    <snip>

    What's so bad about the protecting themselves from impending death?

    <snip>

    Is it really worse than the Dark Sun or Eberron, where everybody are suffering regardless?

    Eberron, where everybody are suffering regardless?
    Ghostwalk, where afterlife is completely unknown?
    Ravenloft, where is no afterlife (and also, everybody are suffering despite of it)?
    first, the whole thing is Ao's fault. He is supposed to keep EVERYONE in line, alas, he ****ed up and punished the weakest lot - mortals. He made the gods dependent on fate, why? because they didnt care about mortals. but aside from that? he hardly even glanced sternly at them, aside some exception.

    Second, dieties/gods under Ao? there is just too much enmity to fight together and kill him, not to mention the ambigius ones having "better" ideas about what to do after (and most of those are on the "good" side sadly.

    They dont protect themselves, they just automated the food delivery.

    as for the afterlives, does it really matter of your memories fade, you yourself case to exists or a hivemind/gestalt inteligence devours?
    also, isnt ravenloft a prison plane?
    And you forgot Oerth, home of tthe greyhawk setting WICH IS THE DEFAULT ONE!
    Quote Originally Posted by noob View Post
    Also pseudodragons takes easily more screen time than "true" dragons.
    (but it is fair: "true" dragons are not telepathic venomous flying cats and so does not deserve screen time like a pseudodragon)

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    Buy a scroll of plane shift and escape to greyhawk or eberron
    Just don't plane shift to Krynn (DRAGONLANCE®); it'd be quite a $&@#% to escape the Spellplague just in time to get hit by the Second Cataclysm…
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    Any quotes?

    If Ao declared that none of the gods fallen during the Time of Troubles should be reinstated, than why Torm called the single known exception?
    I mean - Ao can change his mind (like he did it with Torm), but he should at least admit it (like he did it with Torm)

    One more thing about Mystra: Weave is artificial construct which is just constraining magical abilities (spellcasters from other realms are able to use magic in Faerűn just fine, but opposite isn't true for faerűnian spellcasters in another realms; and Epic Spellcasting doesn't using Weave at all). Mystra maintaining Weave, thus keeping shackles on magical abilities of faerűnian population. Maybe, when she wouldn't be there anymore, and the Weave will finally crash down, it will allow for some new magic...

    Also, if it's the same goddess, then why we call her by the "middle name" - not the "original" (Mystryl), nor the "latest" (Midnight)?
    Spoiler: Would a Mystra by any other name still die as often?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Greenwood via The Hooded One, 2006
    The first Mystra’s memories often scare Midnight/Mystra 2, because they come with emotional baggage that she sees as changing HER upon contact (for instance, pull up a “Mystra 1” memory of Elminster, and with it comes the intense love and lust of Mystra 1, welling up inside Mystra 2 and changing how she regards Elminster). However, the memories of Mystryl feel so alien and different that Mystra 2 shuns them instinctively; when they happen to be memories charged with great emotion or tinged with great flows of power, they literally overwhelm her and can’t be “viewed” directly. So, she DOES “have a personal recollection of what it felt like to have Karsus attempt to usurp Her powers,” but she’s never experienced it, and probably never will.

    All of this is why she’s so uncertain of herself (see the mountaintop scene I put into ELIMINSTER’S DAUGHTER) and so withdrawn (as compared to Mystra 1).
    That's where I got the memory thing. As for why Ao said what he said and did what he did, I have zero idea? Maybe Ao knew Midnight would hide from her own memories because he didn't expect the string of disasters that led to the second sundering, maybe continuity of consciousness and soul isn't the line he's drawing for what makes a person a person, maybe he changed his mind, maybe he's got some deep plan involving it, maybe he considers Mystra more like furniture than a deity and just figured she went without saying, maybe he just wanted to screw with people. There are all sorts of reasons he could have made that claim despite knowing the Mystra thing. Or maybe he just didn't know, as smart as Ao is he's as flawed as anything else in the setting and he makes his fair share of mistakes.

    As for why I call the combined entity Mystra instead of Mystryl, the biggest reason is that of the four incarnations have been Mystryl (the original), Mystra (the reincarnation), Mystra (Midnight), and Mystra (the one that was reformed from the power she gave her chosen). If Mystra wants to be called Mystra, I'll call Mystra Mystra. The other reason is that whenever I type Mystryl I always feel like I spelled it wrong (and a solid half the time I did), so avoiding having to type it is always a plus for me.


    So the two most common paths are Bail or Deicide? I suppose the first makes sense and the latter is potentially theoretically possible. The spellplague showed that Ao is a lot more limited in power when dealing with things that aren't from his world and maybe an argument could be made that that happens to include you, but I don't think I'd be particularly comfortable trying to go toe to toe with someone on his level, regardless of how powerful I might happen to be, and I doubt you could go full-on God of War for too long before he got decided to do something about it.

    I'd be a bit hesitant to say with confidence that any of the worlds are a (significantly) better bet than the one you're on. Sure, most are safer and more stable to one degree or another, but it's hard to beat the opportunities for promotion that Toril's got. I mean, in a mere hundred and ten years basically every divine seat goes up for grabs and all you've got to do to is take one. Granted, you've still got to beat out a deity for it, but none of them will be in the best of shape, everyone is looking to get rid of rivals, and best of all, there's a not insignificant number of gods who are happy and willing to make absurdly self-destructive decisions to inconvenience the other gods they don't like. All you've got to do is survive the spellplague, get epic, find a portfolio you want, and then find a god willing to go split the portfolios of a god they hate between you. It's pretty rare that you get a better chance to godhood than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    What sadism?
    They set the punishment for endangering their lives.
    Where's Ao involved there?
    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    What's so bad about the protecting themselves from impending death?
    Lex talionis!
    So, liches are cool for committing atrocities to maintain their immortality?

    It's not "wanting to stay alive" that's evil - it's the evil acts that they (liches, the FR deities) are willing to take to stay alive that's evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    Oh, my sweet summer child, you're believing "their betters", whoever they may be, would be devoid of self-preservation instinct...
    No. I am stating that, under every moral system I know, "their betters" would make better moral choices.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    Except they already are - every time and everywhere
    Contrary to your assertion, I've actually met people worthy of respect. Ones who don't believe that threats are the only possible answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    Is grazing cow symbiotic to a grass?
    Note: it's manure fertilizing a soil on which grass grows.

    So, deities are "cows", and mortals are "grass" (like it or not)

    Except, grass can't just stand up and go somewhere where are no cows.
    People - can.
    Yet, there are no mass migrations to other realms...
    Um, have you read this thread? The only reason that there's no such mass migration is bad writing (or ignorance). Because, as this thread (and many like it) clearly show(s), were the people informed, there would be a mass migration. And then the gods might get the starvation that they deserve.

    Also, less "cows and grass" and more "fruit trees and bees" (the gods are the bees).

    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    And faerűnian deities - didn't?
    Is it really worse than the Dark Sun or Eberron, where everybody are suffering regardless?

    What "other D&D worlds"?
    Al-Qadim, where afterlife is completely unknown?
    Dark Sun, where everybody are suffering regardless?
    Dragonlance, where afterlife is completely unknown?
    Eberron, where everybody are suffering regardless?
    Ghostwalk, where afterlife is completely unknown?
    Midnight, where is no afterlife?
    Mystara, where are no deities?
    Ravenloft, where is no afterlife (and also, everybody are suffering despite of it)?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    as for the afterlives, does it really matter of your memories fade, you yourself case to exists or a hivemind/gestalt inteligence devours?
    also, isnt ravenloft a prison plane?
    And you forgot Oerth, home of tthe greyhawk setting WICH IS THE DEFAULT ONE!
    Well, Playground? Are we escaping the spell plague, 4e, the morality-impared deities, and/or the Wall?

    For those whose answer includes "the Wall", what alternatives are better?

    Myself, I'd be fleeing for one of my own homebrew campaign worlds, where I know that the gods, morality, and the afterlife are at least not completely objectionable or amoral. But what do my better-informed peers have to say on this matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by rmnimoc View Post
    So the two most common paths are Bail or Deicide? I suppose the first makes sense and the latter is potentially theoretically possible. The spellplague showed that Ao is a lot more limited in power when dealing with things that aren't from his world and maybe an argument could be made that that happens to include you, but I don't think I'd be particularly comfortable trying to go toe to toe with someone on his level, regardless of how powerful I might happen to be, and I doubt you could go full-on God of War for too long before he got decided to do something about it.

    I'd be a bit hesitant to say with confidence that any of the worlds are a (significantly) better bet than the one you're on. Sure, most are safer and more stable to one degree or another, but it's hard to beat the opportunities for promotion that Toril's got. I mean, in a mere hundred and ten years basically every divine seat goes up for grabs and all you've got to do to is take one. Granted, you've still got to beat out a deity for it, but none of them will be in the best of shape, everyone is looking to get rid of rivals, and best of all, there's a not insignificant number of gods who are happy and willing to make absurdly self-destructive decisions to inconvenience the other gods they don't like. All you've got to do is survive the spellplague, get epic, find a portfolio you want, and then find a god willing to go split the portfolios of a god they hate between you. It's pretty rare that you get a better chance to godhood than that.
    How about killing all the gods (or maybe just hug M (if she is capable of comprehending how evil the Wall is), whatever), *then* take on AO with their combined portfolios?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quertus View Post
    How about killing all the gods (or maybe just hug M (if she is capable of comprehending how evil the Wall is), whatever), *then* take on AO with their combined portfolios?
    would be a lot easier if you escaped Faerun and got strong enough to kill Ao, then go back and kill him, less opposition that way imo.
    After that, you can chose if you devour the other portfolios and give it to new gods or re-educate some of the current ones.

    Also, tear down the wal lits only there because the gods are lazy and Ao forced them to feed on mortal souls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noob View Post
    Also pseudodragons takes easily more screen time than "true" dragons.
    (but it is fair: "true" dragons are not telepathic venomous flying cats and so does not deserve screen time like a pseudodragon)

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    Ao forced them to feed on mortal souls.
    Did he? In most worlds, gods feed on prayers, on belief, on actions that support their portfolio. If AO forced them to feed on souls, then the gods of soulless beings (the elemental lords, for example), or ones whose followers souls get eaten (Illithid) can't exist in FR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quertus View Post
    Did he? In most worlds, gods feed on prayers, on belief, on actions that support their portfolio. If AO forced them to feed on souls, then the gods of soulless beings (the elemental lords, for example), or ones whose followers souls get eaten (Illithid) can't exist in FR.
    yes he did, it was kinda hard to find, as i didnt remembered what the event was called, alas, google is our (shady) friend!

    From tvtropes:
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    In the Forgotten Realms, a god's power is determined by his/her number of worshippers, and needs at least one worshipper to maintain Divine status (albeit at a demigod level). The only exception is the overdeity Ao, who needs no worshippers to maintain power because he rules over other gods. This development took long to come, as the deities were independently powerful before the Avatar Crisis, when Ao got fed up with nobody doing their duties or taking care of their worshippers any more. The post-Avatar Crisis fluff tended to suggest, when the subject came up, that the Gods did gain power from being prayed to and having followers before the Crisis. What Ao did after the Crisis was, essentially, toning down the power you gained from your Portfolio, and ramping up how much power you gained from belief.
    Under the tabletop spoiler


    From faerun wiki:
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    The Time of Troubles was precipitated by an attempt by the gods Bane and Myrkul to steal the Tablets of Fate from the overdeity Ao. Angry at the gods for their habitual pursuit of power and negligence toward their mortal faithful,[2] Lord Ao relegated every god (except for the guardian god Helm, selected to protect the gates to the heavens[3]) to walk among their followers on the earth.[2] The immediate effects of this edict were threefold. First, divine magic (spells granted to clerics by their patron deities) ceased to function altogether[4] unless the cleric was within one mile of their deity's avatar. Second, arcane magic (a force channeled from the Weave by wizards and sorcerers) ceased to be regulated by its steward, Mystra and became dangerously unpredictable.[2] Third, the characteristically immortal and aloof deities were now vulnerable (though still devastatingly powerful) and dwelling among the civilizations of Faerűn.[5]
    from a more "offical" source


    also, here what Ao did after the tablets were recowered:
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    Most scholars believed that the Era of Upheaval started with the calamitous event known as the Time of Troubles, that took place in 1358 DR, when the gods were cast down from the Upper planes and roamed the land incarnated as mortals.[1] The chaos of the Time of Troubles left a lasting mark into the world. When Lord Ao destroyed the Tablets of Fate, he unraveled the laws of Realmspace and the worlds of Abeir and Toril, separated since the Tearfall, began to join once again
    They just cant catch a break huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noob View Post
    Also pseudodragons takes easily more screen time than "true" dragons.
    (but it is fair: "true" dragons are not telepathic venomous flying cats and so does not deserve screen time like a pseudodragon)

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